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Is MS is going to Kill Game Pass Before CoD releases?
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cash_longfellow
Member
If they do, it will be by accident because of price increases.
yurinka
Member
It wouldn't make sense at all to shut down GP, it's the main USP MS has regarding gaming.
What I think would make more business sense would be:
What I think would make more business sense would be:
- To don't include CoD and other top AAA 1st party games at launch on GP, wait for a year or two after release to include it as Sony does, once they sold most of their units
- If they continue including them day one there, include them only in the GPU tier, after increasing again its pricing
Ask someone what makes Game Pass better than Plus, and the vast majority will say exclusives day one.Not putting new CoD day one on GamePass is “killing GamePass”?
Change that and Game Pass is more similar to PS Plus vs different.
I agree with those saying it won't be dead, but it will be different.
MS painted themselves into this corner. Such a massive self own.
Fredrik
Member
Still better to keep it alive than kill it, it’s a lot of $$$ per month even if people starts to drop off, and subscription services is likely where the industry is heading so they need something in that space.
Yeah as far as I know Gamepass Core is just a renamed Xbox Live, I think it has a small number of included games but don’t quote me on that.
It’s not about believing it’ll be a success, it’s about understanding what they will likely do. How else would they reach every screen? Watch the Sarah Bond Bloomberg interview and have that thought in your mind. And never underestimate the greed there, exclusives will happen there sooner later, it’s going to be awful but they’ll still do it. More publishers will do the same thing. Enjoy what we have is all I can say, things won’t get better anytime soon
Topher
Gold Member
Bobby Kotick said flatly that he wouldn't put COD on a subscription. ABK is the gaming cash cow at Microsoft. Xbox is lanquishing and Microsoft Gaming would be in the red last quarter were it not for ABK.
So ABK has the right business plan for making money for Microsoft and it is centered on selling games.
But Microsoft is going to force ABK to adopt the Game Pass business model?
So ABK has the right business plan for making money for Microsoft and it is centered on selling games.
But Microsoft is going to force ABK to adopt the Game Pass business model?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Bobby Kotick said flatly that he wouldn't put COD on a subscription. ABK is the gaming cash cow at Microsoft. Xbox is lanquishing and Microsoft Gaming would be in the red last quarter were it not for ABK.
So ABK has the right business plan for making money for Microsoft and it is centered on selling games.
But Microsoft is going to force ABK to adopt the Game Pass business model?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that's would be a nuanced answer. but of course If I had written:
"is Game Pass going to change before CoD releases?"
It wouldn't be as spicy.
If I commit to the bit:
if CoD is not day one on game pass.... GP is effectively dead.
Now, I don't think people really get the severity of the Xbox situation.
I think the experiments are over, wait and see is off the table. Money has to be made NOW.
COD on games pass is not going to save a flawed business model
even if we slash that number to half... I don't think MS has the patience to wait (especially when projections are not encouraging) and Xbox is bleeding money
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Game Pass is their baby. It will outlive Xbox consoles.
Gambit2483
Member
They've been training their userbase for YEARS to not buy games...and I highly doubt they are going to kill Gamepass after they've just reportedly downsized their physical marketing team a few months ago.
MS is clearly pushing for a digital future, which is Gamepass.
MS is clearly pushing for a digital future, which is Gamepass.
Fredrik
Member
COD may be doing alright now but imagine what will happen once they stumble on a release… Then it’s all coming down.Bobby Kotick said flatly that he wouldn't put COD on a subscription. ABK is the gaming cash cow at Microsoft. Xbox is lanquishing and Microsoft Gaming would be in the red last quarter were it not for ABK.
So ABK has the right business plan for making money for Microsoft and it is centered on selling games.
But Microsoft is going to force ABK to adopt the Game Pass business model?
Meanwhile everybody seems to say that AAA quality and $70 per copy with longer and longer dev time isn’t working. Greed always finds a way though, I’m prepared for $100+ games, more microtransactions, episodic releases and in-game ads.
Getting people onto a subscription plan for a monthly tick is probably nice and personally I have nothing against subscription libraries, I like cheap gaming. But at this point I would like a way to keep using Steam. The GP versions can be older and mods might not work and betas are always up on Steam first. I think they need to do more there, no idea what can be done though without breaking things for Valve.
Kacho
Member
Yep. And services are what’s making them money. If they axe that they’d be in a world of trouble. Their user base has been conditioned to not buy games.
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King Dazzar
Member
No, but I reckon subs will either continue to stagnate or start to decline, regardless of CoD.
rm082e
Member
I don't see how they could possibly think they will get to even 50 million GP subs at this point. Growth has been flat for multiple quarters. If the service isn't making them enough money, why keep investing in it?
On top if that, if they put COD games on it (not just the new on this year), they're just going to lose out on the sales from exising GP subs who would have bought it.
I think it's more likely they just stop putting new games on it. This year's COD is a standard $70 release, and GP just withers away over time getting older titles that aren't going to sacrifice sales.
On top if that, if they put COD games on it (not just the new on this year), they're just going to lose out on the sales from exising GP subs who would have bought it.
I think it's more likely they just stop putting new games on it. This year's COD is a standard $70 release, and GP just withers away over time getting older titles that aren't going to sacrifice sales.
Shake Your Rump
Member
This is what Nintendo did. Went from free to $25 a year due to Smash Bros.
bender
What time is it?
that's would be a nuanced answer. but of course If I had written:
"is Game Pass going to change before CoD releases?"
It wouldn't be as spicy.
If I commit to the bit:
if CoD is not day one on game pass.... GP is effectively dead.
Now, I don't think people really get the severity of the Xbox situation.
I think the experiments are over, wait and see is off the table. Money has to be made NOW.
COD on games pass is not going to save a flawed business model
even if we slash that number to half... I don't think MS has the patience to wait (especially when projections are not encouraging) and Xbox is bleeding money
Slash which number in half?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Dropping the ball with lackluster games with massive IPs is what put Xbox in this situation
GP didn't cause failures like Redfall or let downs like Halo Infinite or Starfield, those games had every chance in the world to be good if not great but lack of leadership to identify great games is killing Xbox
ChorizoPicozo
Member
have you seen the news lately?
Game pass is not bringing the money, just like HiFi success is not a success?
and that's the crux of the situation.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
The number of subscribers needed.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Wait,what?
bender
What time is it?
They'd be doing backflips if they could get to half of 500 million subscribers. They've stalled out at roughly 5% of that number and I strongly doubt they could double their current subscriber base.
GHG
Gold Member
Bobby Kotick said flatly that he wouldn't put COD on a subscription. ABK is the gaming cash cow at Microsoft. Xbox is lanquishing and Microsoft Gaming would be in the red last quarter were it not for ABK.
So ABK has the right business plan for making money for Microsoft and it is centered on selling games.
But Microsoft is going to force ABK to adopt the Game Pass business model?
If they put COD on gamepass then judging by their recent actions, all of the COD dev studios come under threat.
Insane if you ask me, but I'd like to see them do it for science. The subsequent fallout could be a sight to behold. If people think the last week has been drama, then they haven't seen anything yet.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that's where the internal politics get spicy.
if I'm an ABK executive, I'm just laughing at the sheer incompetency of Xbox executives. and I would ask.... why the fuck should I answer to Xbox, when we are the ones making the money?
and we know, there are bonuses based on MC scores and sales milestones.
oh no, no, no, no, no. I would put it in this way:
this is MS trying to make games:
Then you throw this, (Game Pass) to the whole operation:
The idea of GP gave the green light for Xbox to spend around 100B over a span of 5 years.
we know GP killed the economy of gaming inside the Xbox's ecosystem.
So, you have an incompetent team and a division that can't sustain itself in the first place, and then you throw this "life saver" that ended up being a massive anchor.
without game pass, MS would have given up with Xbox 6-7 years ago.
GHG
Gold Member
This is the thing, Activison Blizzard is the only thing holding the whole operation afloat right now, and they want to risk it all? They want to risk their 75 billion acquisition that they fought oh so hard for and even threatened governments over?
If they do then me joking that the following summarises Phil Spencer's attitude becomes 100% true:
semiconscious
Member
agreed. which's why they're now stuck not only with the ramifications of bailing on their console & going third-party publisher, but also with somehow dealing with the 'day 1 game pass' conundrum. the infamous 'double-whammy', & basically all self-inflicted...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
nosoynadie22
Gold Member
they certainly can't identify great games
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Gambit2483
Member
So they consistently pass on the would-be-greats while purchasing the troubled studios...seems legit.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Microsoft just launches stuff with no regard (zune, Kinect, game pass etc.) you got to have intention behind these things.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
it is insane that this is even real....we also know they rejected Genshin Impact....a company like that doesn't deserve to make money from this industry...and so far they arent
ChorizoPicozo
Member
What Does the End of Tango Gameworks Mean for Game Pass? - IGN
Xbox’s acclaimed subscription service, Xbox Game Pass, has blossomed thanks to its smaller, critical darlings like Hi-Fi Rush. But without the studios making them, what will it become?
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Bumblebeetuna
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What Does the End of Tango Gameworks Mean for Game Pass? - IGN
Xbox’s acclaimed subscription service, Xbox Game Pass, has blossomed thanks to its smaller, critical darlings like Hi-Fi Rush. But without the studios making them, what will it become?www.ign.com
IGN?
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
DeepSpace5D
Member
A large portion of the Xbox base is conditioned to wait for Gamepass for day 1 releases from their first-party. So the question I’m thinking is, if they killed Gamepass would those people just accept it and go back to buying games en masse? That is doubtful to me. Instead, I think you would see blowback and criticism on a level that would make the recent studio closures seem trivial by comparison.
So I think they are still all in on Gamepass. As for Call of Duty, I can see them do things like a full month of early access sales or even longer before it’s put on the service, increasing the tier of Gamepass where CoD can be accessed, or something along those lines to increase their revenue without having to abandon the model.
Killing Gamepass entirely would cause a damn riot I’d imagine.
So I think they are still all in on Gamepass. As for Call of Duty, I can see them do things like a full month of early access sales or even longer before it’s put on the service, increasing the tier of Gamepass where CoD can be accessed, or something along those lines to increase their revenue without having to abandon the model.
Killing Gamepass entirely would cause a damn riot I’d imagine.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
I think they will go for a 2 tier subscription. Higher tier will include AAA games like COD.
Could be wrong……..watch this space I suppose.
Could be wrong……..watch this space I suppose.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
there are Xbox influencers saying this:
and after the closure of studios people are saying this:
people are realizing that Game Pass is too good to be true (that's the the kind way of put it). others say Game Pass is killing devs.
The brand is in such shitty state that they killing game pass only will signify the death of xbox altogether.
they will be all in on gamepass if they can make money.... so far this is not the case. that is the issue.
and growth projections are not encouraging
that's Killing game pass.
they are going to increse prices no matter what.
but again, the urgent matter is for Xbox to actually make money now. otherwise it dosen't make sense to kill any studio in a Game Pass future. (where they need a constant cadence of game releases)
absolutely. But I think you'd be surprised that there will be a lot of "important" people having a positive reaction to this news.
The drama will be on the fanboys side...and the Xbox cummunity already had their Armageddon... only some are clinging to their love for the brand...but is damn close to be over.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
they have to try something new
DeepSpace5D
Member
That might be what the influencers are saying, but I’m not sure if what they say has enough of an effect to change the spending habits of the Gamepass user base. Some of them are even admitting their opinion is an unpopular one.there are Xbox influencers saying this:
and after the closure of studios people are saying this:
people are realizing that Game Pass is too good to be true (that's the the kind way of put it). others say Game Pass is killing devs.
The brand is in such shitty state that they killing game pass only will signify the death of xbox altogether.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
I voted all 3 so I can’t be wrong.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i think influencers, fanboys and media are kind of an extension of marketing/PR. they will inform or set a narrative to "normies"
while consumer behavior is not going to change (and is not really the point)
it informs them that things are not really working.
something similar happened to movie pass.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
ChorizoPicozo
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
% not happening. Game Pass has become the cornerstone of their whole gaming business. It’s replacing consoles for them. As well as traditional game sales. The price of the subscription, like any subscription, will slowly increase over time.They view Game Pass as their market differentiator that allows someone on any device they own to play Xbox games whenever and wherever they are, which is their entire goal.
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Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
It would make sense to have another tier or a good price increase, same as other sub services have done.