The thing is if people aren't made to try out new features then you won't be in a position to do a thorough analysis as to whether they are beneficial or not.
Let's take the most recent example where a new "feature" has then gone on to have widespread adoption - the share button.
Fast forward a generation and it would be strange if the new controllers didn't have it, it was even also adopted by the competition. While it's a minor thing in the grand scheme of innovations, it's now a standard feature.
Yes, yes and yes. But why lock DS4 for backward compatible games? It makes no sense.I want a clear new gen feeling with everything. Tflops, controllers, games, IPs.
This cross gen thing doesnt work for me
Yes, yes and yes. But why lock DS4 for backward compatible games? It makes no sense.
He is right. As long as controllers change so little from one console to the next, there is no good reason to lock old controllers out on a system level. The additional features on PS5 can be nice, but they will often not even be used and in those cases, why not give the player the option to use their old controllers? And to those geniuses that claim "heh, Microsoft does not believe in generations, as opposed to Sony" - the arguably biggest generational leap PlayStation has ever had was from PS1 to PS2. And it was precisely that generational jump where Sony did allow continued use of old controllers.
Then I don't see a problem. Linus as an "expert" should mention that.They haven't. DS4 works with PS4 games on PS5.
You're right, Sony already set the precedent with PS2. It is for this reason that I believe that Sony will allow some PS5 games to be playable with DualShock 4, even though their PR machine is not currently touting that ability.
If a PS5 game requires the new DualSense features, then you won't be able to use a DualShock 4. However, if it does not need DualSense features, then they might still enable players to use a DualShock 4. There could be standard symbols/blurbs on the back of PS5 game boxes that designate DualShock 4 and DualSense compatibility.
Linus’s knowledge of tech is limited to building PCs. A 5 year old can build a PC.
The DualSense actually being a new controller with new features and interesting tech is a game changer but you do you Linus....
Buying a new controller... no!
Buying disposable batteries weekly... yes!
Look, if you're so desperate to continue to use your old crusty controllers with cheeto dust clogging up the triggers
It's odd how some people have just "bought" into Xbox's narrative that generations shouldn't matter anymore.
Hell, I wouldn't want to play Splatoon or BotW without gyro aiming. (Yes, I know different system but same idea.)Everything`s a gimmick until it`s properly used. The Touchpad on the DS4 became a 5-Buttons-in-one-spot feature later this gen that I wouldn`t want to miss anymore.
That MS is simply keeping the old controllers and don`t even try to innovate is pretty pathetic.....
lmao, who even does that? You do know that for the past 20+ years we’ve hard rechargeable batteries right?Buying a new controller... no!
Buying disposable batteries weekly... yes!
Kind of like iPhone headphone jacks.The DualSense actually being a new controller with new features and interesting tech is a game changer but you do you Linus....
Ah, I understand.lmao, who even does that? You do know that for the past 20+ years we’ve hard rechargeable batteries right?
I’ve literally no idea why this forum and anyone anti-Xbox goes against disposable batteries when a) They last hours longer than PS’s proprietary internal, much longer and b) They are literally cheaper in every way.
Honestly, one of the most stupid takes I’ve seen yet.
And yet everyone here wants to play on a console because pc gaming "is too complicated"
TF?
Speak for yourself. I only have a console because of Sony exclusives. Everything else plays best on PC.
Lol yeah, they filled the controller with useless crap but not the only thing that actually help during gameplay, we can shake our head in synchro my dude.Rant....
Rear paddles are about all I ever hear talked about from Gamers. And neither sony or microsoft delivered on that.
Have to buy special addons or special controllers for rear paddles.
Rant off
The DualSense actually being a new controller with new features and interesting tech is a game changer but you do you Linus....
but kinect told us we dont need controllers anymoreMan, those PS3 games with crazy amounts of Sixaxis requirements are such classics now.
Yeah Sony should continue to innovate. That also doesn't mean than Sony should make a controller that is otherwise completely compatible, obsolete.The DualSense actually being a new controller with new features and interesting tech is a game changer but you do you Linus....
im pretty sure you werent concernced when 360 pads wont worked with the oneIt's a bit concerning that some of you are okay with your old controllers becoming obsolete. The DualSense still has pretty much the same button layout as the DualShock. Adaptive triggers and fancy vibration are not game changing features, they're gimmicks just like the touchpad and the gyroscope. There's really only 1 reason that you cannot use the DS4 on the PS5 and that is so $ony can sell you new controllers.
Disagree, at least in theory, because I'd be stunned if you couldn't turn all this stuff off. Triggers that get harder to press and games that require you to lift the controller to your face to blow in it are really bad for accessibility. Especially in 2020 where we're seeing more and more of it implemented into video games, and that's a hard thing to argue against. And if there's options to disable it, then Sony is already collecting the data on who does, guaranteed.
The share button is a super weird example considering how many people have never touched the thing, and never will. It's totally superfluous. I think a better example would have been the giant touch pad on the Dualshock 4 - not only is there the touch aspect, it actually registers where you're pressing the button, so it works as a whole new set of inputs. That's the exact reason why I didn't have this same problem with the PS3 > PS4 transition, it would be impossible to play a massive amount of PS4 games without devs specifically coding backwards compatibility with controllers. That I can get behind.
I think the problem many people in this thread are having is distinguishing between feedback and input. If I want to play Sackboy's Big Adventure co-op with my partner, I shouldn't be forced to pay $70 for a new controller that's functionally identical just so that she can "experience the innovation that is HD rumble", when I have two perfectly fine DS4s I already gave Sony money for. It's bullshit. Where I understand it is when there's new inputs involved, i.e. the mic array. My personal issue right now is that these "new" inputs are probably going to be totally optional given the accessibility thing I mentioned above. It's not a big new button in the middle of the pad like the DS4 had. If it was, no-one would realistically be having this discussion, or at least, they shouldn't.
It's the same as game exclusivity. I know why a business chooses to do it, that doesn't mean I have to like it. It's so weird to me that there's so many people (not you) in this thread that want to blindly throw money at Sony at, and are shilling for, features they haven't even tried yet. They might hate the adaptive triggers in November for all they know. Them repeating the words "innovating" and "pushing forward" just makes me think they work for marketing departments.
Ah, I understand.
'Fuck the environment, I've got an Xbox', I think it's a good slogan. /JK
Take it easy, if you like batteries, that's fine.
Share button is heavy used by gamers... I used it countless times and I know I'm in the low usage statistics side.The share button is a super weird example considering how many people have never touched the thing
They're only disliking it because it is Microsoft. If Sony were the ones letting you use old controllers, they would receive a standing ovation.
Share button is heavy used by gamers.
That is exactly why Xbox have to put the same button on new controller.
This exactly, seem like anything and everything MS does, that previously certain people would have been like "fuck no" to, have finished the entire cup of Kool aid MS has served up to them.It's odd how some people have just "bought" into Xbox's narrative that generations shouldn't matter anymore.
I used everytime something weird happens or I need to share some screen or video on GAF.I use it daily. Some funny ass shit constantly happens playing RDO with my buddies now that they added the full single player ragdoll physics to it as well. I had to lower my auto-record to 15 minutes because I am using it constantly and taking up HDD space before I trim and upload the videos.
Buying a new controller... no!
Buying disposable batteries weekly... yes!