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[Sleepwalker]

Edit: wrong thread.

 

[Banjo64]

 

[samoilaaa]

We aren't upset we're enjoying the game. Your upset about a black lives matter muriel in a game. Pot Kettle black.

you are upset because ur replying to me instead of playing ur little game

 

[Little Chicken]

People getting their tits in a twist about the game being "woke" is a bit weird considering how "woke" and progressive Marvel comics were for the 60's.

 

[THE DUCK]

Haven't had a chance to try it yet, and while it looks to be sort of repatative like the first 2 games, the upgrade in graphics and gameplay still make it seem likely the game is still 9/10 and worth the time to play. Impressive in a way, speaks to the pedigre of the original game too.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Uhm…

The second hand embarrassment i had while reading this post lmao.
The thesis based on 3 little things in a huge ass open world game where all but 2 relationships aren’t straight. And one is a sidemission with 2 characters you never even meet again lmao.

You can’t possibly be this fragile right?

 

[demigod]

Thank god nobody gives a fuck about metacritics user scores. These stupid fanboys are just wasting their time.

 

[Banjo64]

I’ve just watched a review of this game by Griffin Gaming, and I have to say based on what I’ve seen it’s not for me.

Spoiler

He covered many of the game’s strong points;

• Impressive graphics.
• Strong side quest structure that avoids Ubisoft tropes.
• Strong map design that encourages exploration.
• Kraven was a well written villain.
• The opening fight with Sandman was fantastic.

The negatives however are everything I don’t like with modern Sony games;

• The opening sequence has you riding around on a bicycle and having forced conversation with Harry.
• The game is full of Marvel ‘jokes’.
• The game’s writing in general seems to follow Sony’s current contrived ‘faux deep’ style. In the fights with MJ and Harry they are childishly berating Peter for not being a good boyfriend / friend.
• There are woke elements, whether you want to admit it or not. Passing the torch to Miles for Spider-Man 3, who could have seen it coming?There’s a mission where the white curator of a museum is pulling funding from the black history exhibit. Real subtle Insomniac.
• Spongy enemies, even on easy. I found this in the original game and MM also. Why does it take 3 combos to take out 1 grunt? MJ takes them out with 1 shot from a taser, can she lend it to Peter please?
• Spider-Man’s spider senses don’t seem to work when it’s convenient for the plot. Like when a crippled Harry can knock Venom out of Peter’s hand. (The container can control Venom but isn’t drop proof?)

 

[Eiknarf]

Uhm…

That Reddit post by Kotakuln is interspersed

 

[Ulysses 31]

Griffin

Ooof, this guy doesn't hold back.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Spider man is the most boring overrated superhero ever, specially after that brat actor

Just say you don't own a PS5 and therefore have 0 rights to comment abou this game.

Sjeesh

 

[Edmund]

 

[graywolf323]

looks like it has it’s first below 80 review which has caused the critics recommend percentage to drop to 98% on OpenCritic

Marvel's Spider-Man 2 PlayStation 5 Review

www.noobfeed.com

NoobFeed gave it a 75/100 and said that

In the end, Marvel's Spider-Man 2 feels like an average game, which is somewhat better than its original. However, if you're coming at this without any prior knowledge or experience with the original, you'll quickly realize that this is not the game for you. The combat is a major turnoff, as it seems like you're constantly hammering weak enemies who respond barely to your blows. Although you gain new abilities and powers throughout the game, you never truly feel like you've advanced in strength. I get that there are fans of Spider-Man who are much more familiar with all the characters. From their perspective, Insomniac has done a decent job of enhancing the original formula with their new additions.

Looking back at the 2018 Spider-Man shows just how far the franchise has come. There is no doubt that there have been some decent upgrades in this sequel but with the exception of the sheer volume of optional story content, the shortage of suit alterations, and the absence of gadgets. The story also drags on for far too long, especially in its opening hours, and then rushes to a conclusion. Since this is where things stand, I cannot recommend the game to anyone who failed to like the original and is cautious about spending $70.

same reveiwer recently gave the following scores

Forza - 90
Assassin’s Creed Mirage - 85
Starfield - 80

Azfar Rayan's Reviews

Check out all of Azfar Rayan's reviews and score history on OpenCritic. Azfar Rayan has written 79 reviews. Their average review score is 76. Azfar Rayan has recommended 80% of games they have reviewed.

opencritic.com

apparently he thinks Spider-Man 2 is on the same level as Crime Boss: Rockay City?

Crime Boss: Rockay City Xbox Series X Review

www.noobfeed.com

 

[John Wick]

you are upset because ur replying to me instead of playing ur little game

I'm just curious why your even in this thread? Your not buying the game or playing it?
Why you so concerned?

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

The second hand embarrassment i had while reading this post lmao.
The thesis based on 3 little things in a huge ass open world game where all but 2 relationships aren’t straight. And one is a sidemission with 2 characters you never even meet again lmao.

You can’t possibly be this fragile right?

I mean, did you actually read any of what you quoted? The long screenshot with the complaints has a whole lot more in it than the gay couple part.

To summarize just a few of the observations in the screenshot that you evidently felt bold enough to comment on without reading:

• they followed the nauseating recent pattern of adjusting MJ's face to be obviously less attractive / feminine and then open her trajectory in the plot with telling Peter that she needs to focus on her career. Then we get the one "sexy" female character telling us about her girlfriend almost the instant she appears on screen, to make sure that the game essentially apologizes for almost daring to make her appealing to male players for a moment. The simplicity of the minds behind the game is to say: femininity is demeaning, unless we can strongly spin it up front as a "outside the gender binary" kind of bisexuality or trans or whatever trend is big in current year.
  
  I mean, speaking of "second-hand embarrassment," I'm genuinely embarrassed on behalf of the men at Insomniac who think this is how empowerment works... would love to have a laugh at their marriages and home lives (or poly-cule families, or just a PC loaded with femdom porn? ...more like they have these at home than a family), because you can spot this kind of man a mile away by the inverted and weirdly bent over fantasy of female empowerment they plug into every line like they were raised on tumblr
  
  
• "early side mission where you have to solve a puzzle at a collection of “BIPOC” murals. Yes, the game drops that word multiple times, and it’s pronunciation in the game is enough to make me physically ill" -- lol, this is hilarious. They couldn't just inject a few murals for background, they give you a puzzle to make sure you stare at the murals and then a lot of cringe dialogue be sure you are saturated in their very narrow slice of worldview, instead of just playing a damn Spider-Man game. I genuinely don't know how anyone would support a writer or dev like this continuing to hold a job
  
  
• "JJ Jameson is even more of a “conservative wackjob” caricature, all of the villains or soon-to-be villains so far are white males" this is predictable pattern that drags down so many games now, if only for the incredible tedium of seeing the bad-ness of every character so obviously telegraphed by their position on a midwit's 2023 political spectrum
  
  
• the sheer number of Ukraine flags, trans flags, Planned Parenthood booths, and so on... frankly I don't take you very seriously if you act like this is simply a background rather than something so obviously obsessively political by the creators, who at this point just use franchises to try and push their political bubble onto every single scene, like George Lucas trying to cram in one more CGI alien in the background

It dates this game unbelievably to saturate it with so much unnecessary pandering. And I absolutely think that this kind of thing reveals the developers to be people who aren't worth supporting, and who are absolutely a core part of the problem dragging down gaming as a medium into the corporate-approved trash pile right now.

 

[samoilaaa]

I'm just curious why your even in this thread? Your not buying the game or playing it?
Why you so concerned?

i wanted to see if the game is worth buying , i got my answer

 

[ByWatterson]

I really feel like a lot of these complaints just reveal that so many people have never spent time in a major city.

 

[ByWatterson]

They had 911 comics with marvel characters, yall need to stop over reacting to everything and just enjoy gaming.

I own the Spider-Man 9/11 comic (which is excellent, BTW).

In it, hard-right religious leaders are attacked for blaming 9/11 on abortion and homosexuality.

Marvel has always been progressive. X-Men is about the civil rights movement, too...did we all just miss this? You can disagree about the merits of modern progressivism (and I often do! Check my post history and how I got permanently and intentionally banned from REEEE*), but you can't deny that Marvel is as it always has been.



*I went into random threads posting one letter at a time to spell "Hogwarts Legacy." It was amazing.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

I really feel like a lot of these complaints just reveal that so many people have never spent time in a major city.

On the contrary, I think most of the people who don't even grasp the complaints because they are far too young to know that even the most progressive cities looked nothing like this just one decade ago, around the time when I last lived in a major US city that is particularly known for progressivism. But when you play this game, every part of the city is aligned to exactly this year, equivalent to making an 80s film where every single character holds a Betamax cassette in every shot without exception.

And to saturate the game with things like Ukrainan flags as a proxy for right-side-of-history circa 2023 is just deeply embarrassing. Spider-Man's primary general-audience franchise bearers in the past (cartoon shows, feature films, etc) generally knew that their responsibility for the franchise was to avoid making it nauseatingly aligned to a tiny slice of current politics. The upshot of avoiding the current-year nonsense is that your work will last and still have some universal appeal for years to come.

In contrast, it will be downright hilarious to play this game in 5 or 10 years and look at how dated they made every moment because they couldn't see beyond the absolute tiniest slice of time politically or culturally. "Ah yes, I remember when BIPOC and Ukraine flags were the shibboleths of right-mindedness, lol, what a year..."

 

[ByWatterson]

On the contrary, I think most of the people who don't even grasp the complaints because they are far too young to know that even the most progressive cities looked nothing like this just one decade ago, around the time when I last lived in a major US city that is particularly known for progressivism. But when you play this game, every part of the city is aligned to exactly this year, equivalent to making an 80s film where every single character holds a Betamax cassette in every shot without exception.

So the complaint is that the game reflects the current era. I don't know if that's a huge problem.

And to saturate the game with things like Ukrainan flags....Ukraine flags were the shibboleths of right-mindedness, lol, what a year..."

You seem to have a problem with Ukraine in particular. What was your take on Spider-Man (2002) ending with Spidey atop an American flag? I was there in the theater and everyone cheered as soon as they saw the flag. It was an obvious appeal to our post-9/11 mindset, and people ate it up. What's your take on the Spider-Man 9/11 comic? How about Cold War era movies? How about Metal Gear games, generally? How about Superman's slogan of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way"? Donald Duck fighting Nazis? The X-Files?

I just don't understand these complaints. Spider-Man 2 plays and looks amazing, has great characters full of heart, amazing set-pieces, and excellent pacing. But the flags kill it. Okay.

GET THESE GODDAMN FLAGS OUT OF MY ENTERTAINMENT!:

 

[Thirty7ven]

People getting their tits in a twist about the game being "woke" is a bit weird considering how "woke" and progressive Marvel comics were for the 60's.

And isn’t Spider-Man supposed to be progressive?

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

Actually no one will give a fuck about some hidden away flag that you have to actively seek out and be an internet weirdo to complain about.

These people actually call others snowflakes while getting this triggered over the smallest details in a video game. Sad to see.

 

[Topher]

And isn’t Spider-Man supposed to be progressive?

He is supposed to be more relatable as just an average guy turned into a super hero. I used to read Spider-man comics all the time growing up but I don't recall any of the political pandering that is in the games. Thankfully most of it is only in the side missions (which are mostly shit anyway). It can be a bit overbearing at times, imo.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

So the complaint is that the game reflects the current era. I don't know if that's a huge problem.



You seem to have a problem with Ukraine in particular. What was your take on Spider-Man (2002) ending with Spidey atop an American flag? I was there in the theater and everyone cheered as soon as they saw the flag. It was an obvious appeal to our post-9/11 mindset, and people ate it up.

Surely you can recognize the vast gulf between showing the flag of Spider-Man's country--which can translate seamlessly into whatever form of patriotism is active when you watch an old Spider-Man film, and therefore has an intentional timeless and open-ended quality--versus a flag that is calling out an extremely specific geopolitical agenda and political axis of the current year.

In fact this flag difference captures it perfectly. Major Spider-Man properties (not niche special-edition comics, but feature films, cartoons, games, etc) of the past had a strong orientation towards appealing to everyone. An American flag and general superhero ethics (things like "with great power comes great responsibility") were ways to ensure everyone found common ground in the franchise and could enjoy it. Both very conservative and very liberal parents were okay with Spider-Man and found it completely wholesome. And this used to be the consensus, that common, timeless symbols (the national flag, etc) are what belongs in this kind of franchise.

But now? It's replaced by pandering from one political orientation that is so confining, narrow, and heavy-handed that it immediately aligns itself to both a current year without universality, and a specific set of views that are treated as markers of goodness in the most simple-minded manner imaginable. This is absolutely a departure, and those who found comics-book adaptations to have some universal qualities rather than being narrow political vehicles are right to see it as a deep betrayal and destruction of something shared because the current franchise-holders cannot think even 5 feet outside their own bubble, or even grasp which symbols are universal versus being markers for a specific class and its current vision of right-side-of-history.

What's your take on the Spider-Man 9/11 comic? How about Cold War era movies? How about Metal Gear games, generally? How about Superman's slogan of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way"? Donald Duck fighting Nazis? The X-Files?

lol, that's a lot of questions. Marvel 9/11 Comics are incredibly "cringe" as the kids would say, as was everything in those years (both sides of politics) that tried to infuse that moment into their fiction in the pop culture. I was already an adult at that time and I recall the era well. Even corny little bands like Green Day thought they could capture the Zeitgeist and it made them all quite laughable, and so very dated to look back on.

 

[Lokaum D+]

I think i m done with SM2, Coney Island just broke me, what a boring expirence, while SM1 was a blast from beginig to end, this one was a boring fest since minute 1.

 

[ByWatterson]

I think i m done with SM2, Coney Island just broke me, what a boring expirence, while SM1 was a blast from beginig to end, this one was a boring fest since minute 1.

You dipped right before an immensely exciting sequence involving fire. Lots of fire.

 

[A.Romero]

I got to play last night for about 3 or 4 hours and the first thing that caught my attention is how the trailers and media I watched before didn't really do the game any favors. It was weird because I was expecting something more tame in the graphics department. Maybe the fluidity of the game or something but it really looks better than the previous games (I'm a big fan of the first game).

I feel the gameplay evolved too with more options for combos and a fair differentiation between Peter and Miles. Haven't gotten to the black suit so I'm not sure how much it changes or if opens a new skill tree.

So far the missions have been interested and varied. Nice set pieces too.

The main characters are a bit annoying. Peter is just too good but as a fan of Spider man I know that's how he is supposed to be.

Personally didn't really notice all the woke stuff. I guess it's because I'm not American.

Looking forward to play more.

 

[Musashipan]

Just say you don't own a PS5 and therefore have 0 rights to comment abou this game.

Sjeesh

I don't. I'm just talking about the superhero and the actor

 

[Topher]

Not sure if posted, but metacritic is back to 90 due to a 70 rating by Noisy Pixel. Surprisingly, Stevivor gave the game a 90.

Marvel's Spider-Man 2

Spider-Men, Peter Parker and Miles Morales, return for an exciting new adventure in Marvel’s Spider-Man franchise for PS5. Swing, jump and utilize the new Web Wings to travel across Marvel’s New York, quickly switching between Peter Parker and Miles Morales to experience different stories and...

www.metacritic.com

 

[graywolf323]

Not sure if posted, but metacritic is back to 90 due to a 70 rating by Noisy Pixel. Surprisingly, Stevivor gave the game a 90.

Marvel's Spider-Man 2

Spider-Men, Peter Parker and Miles Morales, return for an exciting new adventure in Marvel’s Spider-Man franchise for PS5. Swing, jump and utilize the new Web Wings to travel across Marvel’s New York, quickly switching between Peter Parker and Miles Morales to experience different stories and...

www.metacritic.com

the Noisy Pixel review strikes me as odd but then again it’s the same reviewer that gave Tears of the Kingdom an 8/10 (also FFXVI a 9/10)

I think they’re great for JRPG & visual novel coverage but Noisy Pixel can get a bit wonky on anything else

 

[Topher]

the Noisy Pixel review strikes me as odd but then again it’s the same reviewer that gave Tears of the Kingdom an 8/10 (also FFXVI a 9/10)

I think they’re great for JRPG & visual novel coverage but Noisy Pixel can get a bit wonky on anything else

The review score is due to bugs and crashes. Not sure I'd dock the game that much for it though. I have other issues with the game but bugs really hasn't been one of them. Maybe that will change. I'm about half way through from completing it 100%.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Not sure if posted, but metacritic is back to 90 due to a 70 rating by Noisy Pixel. Surprisingly, Stevivor gave the game a 90.

Marvel's Spider-Man 2

Spider-Men, Peter Parker and Miles Morales, return for an exciting new adventure in Marvel’s Spider-Man franchise for PS5. Swing, jump and utilize the new Web Wings to travel across Marvel’s New York, quickly switching between Peter Parker and Miles Morales to experience different stories and...

www.metacritic.com

YES! I'm winning the poll again!

 

[DForce]

Its close to 89, so it might drop below 90.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Colors look off for anyone else? It's either too dark or too washed out

Didn't have this issue with the other games

 

[scydrex]

Not sure if posted, but metacritic is back to 90 due to a 70 rating by Noisy Pixel. Surprisingly, Stevivor gave the game a 90.

Marvel's Spider-Man 2

Spider-Men, Peter Parker and Miles Morales, return for an exciting new adventure in Marvel’s Spider-Man franchise for PS5. Swing, jump and utilize the new Web Wings to travel across Marvel’s New York, quickly switching between Peter Parker and Miles Morales to experience different stories and...

www.metacritic.com

They gave starfield an 80. They don't mention bugs or problems whatsoever in that review. So to them starfield have less bugs and problems than spiderman 2?

 

[Mr Moose]

Not sure if posted, but metacritic is back to 90 due to a 70 rating by Noisy Pixel. Surprisingly, Stevivor gave the game a 90.

Marvel's Spider-Man 2

Spider-Men, Peter Parker and Miles Morales, return for an exciting new adventure in Marvel’s Spider-Man franchise for PS5. Swing, jump and utilize the new Web Wings to travel across Marvel’s New York, quickly switching between Peter Parker and Miles Morales to experience different stories and...

www.metacritic.com

They scored it lower than the shit Metal Gear Solid game. They must need the clicks.

 

[graywolf323]

They gave starfield an 80. They don't mention bugs or problems whatsoever in that review. So to them starfield have less bugs and problems than spiderman 2?

They scored it lower than the shit Metal Gear Solid game. They must need the clicks.

the reviewer for Spider-Man 2 also reviewed Jedi Survivor which they gave a 9.5 to & it was a buggy mess at release

edit: different reviewer but they recently gave Cities Skylines 2 a 9/10 despite “performance issues”

Cities: Skylines II Review - Noisy Pixel

Now, Cities: Skylines II is upon us to deliver some much-needed updates to the foundation of the series, along with a graphical overhaul. And, keeping with

noisypixel.net

 

[ProtoByte]

People getting their tits in a twist about the game being "woke" is a bit weird considering how "woke" and progressive Marvel comics were for the 60's.

Oh my god, this argument.
Peter Parker used to be an Ayn Rand fan. Do you think that was ever "woke"?

 

[Topher]

Venom powers are legit. Really amps up the gameplay which was already excellent. By far the highlights of the game so far have been...

1) Core gameplay. Was always good, but they keep making small improvements with gadgets and abilities to keep it fresh. Helps that we are not fighting the exact same enemies every time as well.
2) Main story. I'll gripe more about side missions later but the main quest line is really good thus far.
3) Bases. Like how they have made so you have to beat these little outposts before you can find the main base, which is so much more elaborate than the previous games.

Oh my god, this argument.
Peter Parker used to be an Ayn Rand fan. Do you think that was ever "woke"?

And even if that were not the case, liberals of the past are not necessarily "woke". Ask a liberal of the 80s/90s like Bill Maher about wokeness and that much will be obvious.

 

[Operations66]

Game sounds like a woke piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Game sounds like a woke piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen.

Yep! They've fallen upwards to a 90 MC and 2.5 million sold in 1 day. Mighty indeed!

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

Game sounds like a woke piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen.

You sound like a moron.

 

[ByWatterson]

Game sounds like a woke piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen.

REE.

LAX.

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

Game sounds like a woke piece of shit. How the mighty have fallen.

Quite possibly the most embarrassing type of post.

 

[Jesb]

Is this the game to get a lot of people to buy a PS5? Maybe it’s that time.

 

[mckmas8808]

The second hand embarrassment i had while reading this post lmao.
The thesis based on 3 little things in a huge ass open world game where all but 2 relationships aren’t straight. And one is a sidemission with 2 characters you never even meet again lmao.

You can’t possibly be this fragile right?

In NYC no less. I hate to break it to those people but there are black people, gay people, and other people of color in major cities all around America lol

 

[mckmas8808]

And even if that were not the case, liberals of the past are not necessarily "woke". Ask a liberal of the 80s/90s like Bill Maher about wokeness and that much will be obvious.

They kinda were to be honest. Time just allows you to lie about the past.

 

[Aaron Olive]

Venom powers are legit. Really amps up the gameplay which was already excellent. By far the highlights of the game so far have been...

1) Core gameplay. Was always good, but they keep making small improvements with gadgets and abilities to keep it fresh. Helps that we are not fighting the exact same enemies every time as well.
2) Main story. I'll gripe more about side missions later but the main quest line is really good thus far.
3) Bases. Like how they have made so you have to beat these little outposts before you can find the main base, which is so much more elaborate than the previous games.



And even if that were not the case, liberals of the past are not necessarily "woke". Ask a liberal of the 80s/90s like Bill Maher about wokeness and that much will be obvious.

Good I'll wait till some more patches come out.

 

[Eiknarf]

Is this the game to get a lot of people to buy a PS5? Maybe it’s that time.

Alot of people already have the PS5. It went from the console no one could get to the console almost everyone has.

 

[Jesb]

Alot of people already have the PS5. It went from the console no one could get to the console almost everyone has.

I’m not one of them lol.