They already announced it for PS3/PS4 as of July no?
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Media Create Sales: Week 32, 2014 (Aug 04 - Aug 10)
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They already announced it for PS3/PS4 as of July no?
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Yes, they did!
Not really. You're comparing a 2D brawler to a Simulation-RPG. Even if you only focus on pure fanservice, both games really differs from each other (KnM doesn't really have much fanservice at all...). Sure, some SK fans might be interested in KM, but that's only because people aren't really confined to boxes and won't buy anything not in that box.
I see where you're coming at, though. Personally, I think it should do well (maybe 100k LTD?). Looks like a low-budget game, too, so I doubt Marvelous! will be expecting 250k for FW.
Yes, they did!
Not really. You're comparing a 2D brawler to a Simulation-RPG. Even if you only focus on pure fanservice, both games really differs from each other (KnM doesn't really have much fanservice at all...). Sure, some SK fans might be interested in KM, but that's only because people aren't really confined to boxes and won't buy anything not in that box.
I see where you're coming at, though. Personally, I think it should do well (maybe 100k LTD?). Looks like a low-budget game, too, so I doubt Marvelous! will be expecting 250k for FW.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
50./49. [WIU] Wii Sports Club <SPT> (Nintendo) {2014.07.17} (¥3.996)
omg it's stabilizing
omg it's stabilizing
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Oh. Well RIP PS4 then.
Nightengale
Member
Lol
Nothing they will (realistically) announce at TGS will revive the PS4 next year, much less this . Even exclusive Yakuza would only slow down the corpse decay.
With the exception of FFXV fall 2015 release date, but that's in the unrealistic category.
I think it's best chance is something like Resident Evil 7 in Fall 2015, since that will primarily target the West.
I'm not sure how meaningful that would be overall though.
Kresnik258
Member
Persona 4 Golden seems to be consistently showing up on Media Create but has disappeared from Dengeki (and wasn't doing as well on there anyway). Hm.
Nightengale
Member
Well, given that RE still does respectable numbers In Japan, probably better than Bloodborne.
The difference is gonna be in the hundreds for anything that low.
It might be really easy to mess up something like that, given the data they each receive.
I think titles like Bloodborne are actually far more important to the PS4 than something like RE7. A single title from an already popular franchise in a sea of nothingness is not really going to do a system any favors. We can see the same effect when FFXIII sold over a million copies on the PS3. It was a one-off and it remains the only title which has sold over a million copies on the platform in Japan. The system didn't take off at that point either.
It was only when there were more and more popular titles on the platform, that we saw the average sales of PS3 software increasing to a level where it was worthwhile for more developers to jump in even for mid-range and low-range stuff. The availability of a variety of titles and a steady release of more software regularly is what kept the PS3's consumer base alive.
I'm not really sure what to expect form RE7 after RE6 and the install base the PS4 will have at that time.
Kresnik258
Member
Oh yeah, absolutely. It just seems a little weird that they can consistently come to an agreement about something like Sword Art Online selling a couple of thousand each week, but can be evidently quite far apart on Persona.
Guess it'll just come down to what stores they poll or something.
Nightengale
Member
The one off boosts are what helps generates the ripple effect for more games across the platform though.
Without the big games pushing systems over a certain threshold and reassuring third party that there's value in investing their games there,we wouldn't even get those games.
The ripple effect is worthless without an actual stream of lower range titles doing well though. Which is why new IPs and mid-range franchises showing that they can still pull in 300-500k or so is very important to those publishers sitting on the sidelines waiting to see if the platform is viable. Very few games are at the 800k+ range, so they will generally be less comparable to something like RE.
Big titles are certainly good for a platform, but having a viable ecosystem itself is far more important. Just look at the WiiU.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
FFXV is the PS4's biggest trump card right now but SE being SE its probably for 2016.
We'll see whats at TGS for the PS4.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Destroying sales records apparently = muted success.
Japan does not represent the trends of the world´s market. It´s not a bellweather of video game markets. Since last year after the immediate launch of the WiiU, and the WiiU selling like crap, some people began saying that console market is dead. The UK market is dead, since the WiiU software sold 34k in a whole month etc. The PS4 went out and sold 250k in 2 days in the UK. So much for the death of the UK video game market.
MisterGrey3000
Member
There were people on this forum who honestly expected Nintendo to announce new software at gamescom; I wouldn't be too surprised if there are more than a few people who still believe that Japanese developers outside of Konami, Capcom, and (maybe) Square Enix are confident in the PS4's eastern future.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Eolz
Member
This shipment and the one Versus had at first makes me think they really know the franchise won't grow further than 100k apart from nice surprises.
Are those publishers confident in its Eastern future?
Metal Gear, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy, and Kingdom Hearts are all series that have sales heavily skewed toward the West on console, some of them very heavily.
Capcom's only Japanese developed retail PS4 game is Deep Down, which despite not being announced for the West yet, has all its voice acting in English even when shown off in Japan.
I don't get the impression any of these games are being greenlit for PS4 with Japan in mind.
Rune Factory 4 is over 200k
The blog hasn't updated yet. Maybe because is Obon?
RyougaSaotome
Member
http://gekicore-gamelife.com/ranking/4185.html
It's only one store, but he's saying 24% for his place.
Not necessarily indicative of the overall trend though.
frankie_baby
Member
Have we had any hints of shipment size?
RyougaSaotome
Member
In that same post, he says the shipment size was super small, to the point of irritation.
Again, just one store though.
It's going to be a sad day for you when the ps4 streams cross with the Wii and ps2
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I think the fact that it hasn't crossed those streams yet, or just recently did, with 2 of the best selling systems of all time means its anything but a "muted success".
As far as Japan, yeah its not looking great.
GamesMaya's report
- Hyrule Warriors had a slow start yesterday. (She points it rained)
- But today, the game is moving. There are also persons who are buying the Wii U. So hardware is moving.
- When she asks "why are you buying the game?", many answers are "because I like both games" and "because we can play 2 together".
The game rating seems good between users, that's why she wish it can have some legs.
- Hyrule Warriors had a slow start yesterday. (She points it rained)
- But today, the game is moving. There are also persons who are buying the Wii U. So hardware is moving.
- When she asks "why are you buying the game?", many answers are "because I like both games" and "because we can play 2 together".
The game rating seems good between users, that's why she wish it can have some legs.
That's very common though. Even Star Ocean on the SNES had English voice acting with Japanese subtitles in its opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIiPiXjsZSk
It gives games a Hollywood movie feel.* During PS era they started to do this a lot, especially Capcom and Konami. The roots of Japanese video game popularity go back to Hollywood styles as well, Nintendo taking inspiration from King Kong and Aliens for example.
*In Japan you always have the option to watch dubbed or subtitled in cinemas or for video rentals, but everyone watches subbed. The rental stores have like 20 subbed videos and 2 dubbed for popular titles.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
You also forgot the addendum "since launch".
Jan-July neither One nor PS4 have exactly been selling on par with market leaders of prior generations. They had some terrific launches, but interest since has been between 360 and Xbox levels of interest. Not PS2 or Wii. Therefore muted.
KillerMan91
Member
Eh? At the beginning of january sell trough for PS4 was 4.2 million. Now at the beginning of august it was 10 million. That makes 828k per month which is pretty damn great for first year.
I think you're missing the point he's making. I don't think anyone isn't claiming the PS4 isn't doing good for Sony. However even with 10 million under it's belt it's not nearly selling enough to be the only relevant console. Can the Xbox One Recover? Maaaybe, but it's somewhat doubtful. Even if the PS4 manages like 100 million (which personally I think is a bit much, but I hear people touting bigger numbers) that's a huge contraction in the console industry if the other 2 only manage 60 million between them (I think 60 million is extremely optimistic too)
Thunder Monkey
Banned
For any other console but the market leader sure.
PS4 has or soon will fall behind Wii in LTD sales. By this time next year it will have fallen behind PS2 unless holiday sales are much higher than I expect. This is the trajectory of a 360 more than PS2 or Wii. Which does not bode well for a market that severely needs at least one console shooting for the stars.
The market can only contract so much before it's deemed too expensive for investment. If Sony only manages to sell 80 million PS4's in six years, MS only manages to sell 40 million Ones, and Nintendo only manages to sell 15 million WiiU's you're looking at only 135 million systems sold through that generation. A contraction from the prior generation of 140 million units. And a contraction from the PS2 gen of 75 million units.
Those unit totals are currently what I have as the likely six year LTD tallies PS4 is selling like a 360. One is selling like an Xbox(with big support) and WiiU like a Dreamcast (a DC that's likely to see five to six years on the market). Though those tallies are based on nonholiday month sales. Makes it trickier to figure out where they stand without Holiday interest exactly.
That's interesting, a DW type game is selling a system. I might have seen everything now.
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A Zelda-themed DW game... that's not your average Warriors game, it's something pretty unique, which is why predicting sales for it isn't easy.
Heh, that's pretty good news, especially the part about HW moving consoles and the fact fans of both games are buying it. Guess there will be a hardware bump, though I'm not expecting crazy numbers.
Really hope the game is successful, and not just for the Wii U's future... I already want more HW, even though game isn't even out in Europe yet.
A Zelda-themed DW game... that's not your average Warriors game, it's something pretty unique, which is why predicting sales for it isn't easy.
Heh, that's pretty good news, especially the part about HW moving consoles and the fact fans of both games are buying it. Guess there will be a hardware bump, though I'm not expecting crazy numbers.
Really hope the game is successful, and not just for the Wii U's future... I already want more HW, even though game isn't even out in Europe yet.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I don't see why certain people are expecting PS4 to perform like the Wii (with its explosions of sales and subsequent implosion) or the PS2 whose exclusive lineup would no longer be possible in today's market. This behaving like a market leader thing is also quite funny considering in a year 360 will be the best selling console in US and PS4 is keeping quite a bit ahead of it.
KillerMan91
Member
Well the problem is that PS4 is not selling like X360. It still way way ahead and the gap is actually growing every month. Even if it some magical way would fall behind X360 pace in future that would take years and years (X360 sold 85 million because insanely long tail thanks to Kinect). I just really don't see how people are predicting PS4 selling less than PS3. It's absolutely trashing PS3 in every market except Japan. Market contraction? Absolutely yes solely already because massive flop that is WiiU but nothing is indicating PS4 selling less than 100 million units. I mean it could happen but really nothing is indicating it at the moment. It's not relying to gimmick like Wii (not to mention it has support of every major third party publisher) and it's still ahead of every other console released ever by far.
PS4 can easily sell less than PS3. I haven't followed WW sales sales lately but I'm not so sure PS4 it's still ahead of every other console released ever by far. In fact looking at its NPD sales lately I doubt its monthly sales are so much better from 360 launch aligned, if you take out the explosive launch.
edit: Actually things are worse than what I was remembering.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
It seems to me that the PS4 is doing much better outside of the USA & Japan. With the recent 10M milestone the PS4 hit, it must be selling pretty well in the rest of the world, which is at least fairly promising.
Hopes this results in a half-decent opening along with Obon... Personally if Hyrule Warriors is bigger than DKC:TF (if it's providing a hardware boost, that seems to be a good sign), I'll be happy enough I guess, so something like Chris's 150K LTD.
How is that different from PS3?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I can't see PS4 selling less than PS3 WW. I don't see the signs at all right now of that.
NPD
360 2006 YTD - 1603k
PS4 2014 YTD - 1764k
360 LTD - 2210k
PS4 LTD - 3760k
WW sales
Hero of Legend
Member
DAMN! Might have a chance to crack 300k.
3DS is gaga for DBZ, follow it up BN, and not just with UM3.
Nintendojitsu
Banned
Mario Kart 8 is to the Wii U what Yokai Watch is to the 3DS.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Wow. Nintendo would kill for the 3DS to be selling PSP numbers, and Sony would kill for Vita to be selling GBA numbers. The industry is definitely in a rut and the only beneficiary is Sony, who just seems to be winning ~90% of the 360/PS3/Wii gamers who have stuck around.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
In Japan? Or are we talking about WW? WW, the GBA did remarkably well, better than the PSP iirc (definitely the case software wise I would think). Yes, they would kill to have better numbers, which I think is the point you're trying to make.
I think it's even more skewed this time towards the rest of the world over the US+Japan. At least that's what the NPD thread is starting to disuss.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Double post...