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Media Create Sales: Week 51, 2013 (Dec 16 - Dec 22)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Why would anyone care about "launch window" sales of MK8 versus those games when MK games sell 5-9% of their life time sales during the first week and all the games you listes sell 70% or more of theirs?
It's a thoroughly stupid comparaison or point to make.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
A game that outsells a majority of it's consoles library and also sells multiple millions is no longer held back by your ill thought out supposition. The average consumer did not care that it was a port or not, the fact it was a port actually helped it since it sold extremely close to the galaxy games, you know actual new distinctive games.
Your assumption, only works if the fact it was a point would have greatly decreased it's sales. The evidence points otherwise. Regardless what you do you can't spin that into the 3DS version doing worse than the DS 3D Mario counterpart theoretical or not. Saying that a game that sold over 10 million copies was somehow greatly held back by the fact it was port doesn't make sense. 3D Land is already past 8 million. It'll likely great surpass 10 and will sell a fair bit more than galaxy 1. That is not an underperformance by any metric you choose have.
You call someone stupid in an argument like this, it's pointless adds nothing to this argument and is kind of childish.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Holy shit someone please explain to this guy the difference between what 3D land was to the 3DS and what a Mario 64 port was to the DS.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
You keep saying port. It sold 10 million copies. Does that look like a game that was held back due to being a port. Galaxy only sold 11 million copies and that was new game. Precisely what is your argument?
BishopLamont
Banned
One is a port and the other isn't....and?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Mantis is trying to say 3D Land underperformed relative to it's predecessor. I say it did not 3D Mario games have never sold much over 12 million and 3D land already close to 9 million is in good stead to beat that by a fair bit if it roughly maintains it's current rate, and should be be selling better relative to 64 DS it's closest predecessor on the DS.
Mantis keep mentioning how 64 is port and so an original game would sell much better when evidences points to that not being thel case all 3D Mario games max out about 11-12 million. 64 DS was most certainly in that ball park selling over 10 million.
I see, thanks for the summary.
BishopLamont
Banned
I doubt a new "Mario 64" would outsell 3D Land, the DS port probably sold so much because of the high DS userbase.
Someone might leak MC data, but we'll probably have to wait a few days like the previous year.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437311&highlight=infamous+2
Infamous is not a big release, not in the traditional sense of the word. Not in the same breath as Mario Kart.
Yep, different game, size, and audience. A very different case from SCEA's blatant stupidity by releasing Tearaway in November, though might be similar to W101 date of release which is near to GTAV in the west if I'm not mistaken.
I don't think Infamous will have any trouble selling decently considering it's releasing on a brand new console with few other options.
No I don't mean that inFamous will have trouble. It wouldn't since it is quite popular Sony IP from last generation, and clealry will steal the fire (pun intended) in March due like you said, lack of choice, at least for PS4 audience. I just draw the comparison horrible release date that make a game sales number horribly, that is Tearaway and W101 (western release).
Sorry if this not allowed, but where is the new thread? I'm really eager to see this week numbers.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Where did I say any of this? Is this all happening in that delusion of yours?
We were simply comparing 3DS iterations compared to their DS counterparts.
We saw some franchises declined (NSMB, MK etc) and some increased like FE.
Simply, any with common sense would see, that 3D land is a new 3d mario for 3ds. It has no counterpart on DS because the DS did not get a brand new 3d mario.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
No doubt but it's a game that will initially sell due to lack of options more than anything else. Long term will obviously be due to quality of the game. But it's not the sorta game that will by itself affect other releases at least not initially.
Do not thread whine please
Principate
Saint Titanfall
There is a closest comparison. It's what you use (taking into account possible errors and assumptions), in regards to analysis of data. Data, is rarely perfect, you use what you have unless it is too erroneous for your uses.
Mario 64 DS performed pretty much like a original 3D Mario game on DS would have performed, using past data, I didn't massively undersell in comparison to other 3D Mario games nor did it greatly oversell. That's why I used it.
It's just extremely stupid, that's all.
Regardless whether you think it is "stupid", thread whining results in a insta ban, and for you it would be permanent. Its in the TOS
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Are all the trackers taking a break for New Years?
Well it is the most exciting game for the PS4 in the launch window. I would say it is the first game worth buying the PS4 for. I didn't like the first Infamous (didn't play the second, though I've read it is good), but Second Son looks like it plays great and it looks really good graphically.
Maybe you can read the thread to find out why we're doing this? \(
)/MC and Famitsu are. I don't think we know about Dengeki, but they're probably taking a break too.
Maybe you can read the thread to find out why we're doing this? \(
I did.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
If you don't want to talk about sales numbers, stay away from the thread. You commenting on the thread only keeps it on the front page.
And be careful about the bitching, you don't want to get banned before you lose that junior handle, do you?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Yeah okay Famitsu has a message saying next update will be on Jan 6 (Monday).
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
There is no comparison to be made as the DS never got a new 3D mario. This is the last time I am going to repeat myself.
Also I love how made this shit up about what I said:
Again where did I say the following? Yes I'm calling you out since having discussion when one poster makes shit up is incredibly annoying.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Why? Because one is port? I'm pretty sure anyone in any kind of market would not dismiss a comparison based on that alone. For starters you don't simply dismiss data without proper logical reasoning.
A few weeks ago we were discussing whether or not that Xyo site was a legitimate source for phone game numbers, and I have to say I'm not sure. I got curious about how Dokuro was doing on phones so I checked Xyo's pages on the Android and iOS releases:
Android ~2.1k
iOS ~ <1000
Does that really sound like the numbers a Gungho game would do on phones? Those are so horrible that I'm pretty sure it sold better on Vit... wait, the Google Play store says installs are between 50,000 - 100,000?!
Android ~2.1k
iOS ~ <1000
Does that really sound like the numbers a Gungho game would do on phones? Those are so horrible that I'm pretty sure it sold better on Vit... wait, the Google Play store says installs are between 50,000 - 100,000?!
For the same reason one write/read on forums.
for self education, exchanging opinions and wasting time.
See
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That1BlackGuy
Member
You enter a sales thread and complain about people discussing... sales? Come on son.
Refreshment.01
Member
About the Mario handheld debate: Principate is the one that is presenting the best case now.
Think was important to point that out since is quite frustrating when a debate reaches "the last word" phase.
Think was important to point that out since is quite frustrating when a debate reaches "the last word" phase.
Whelp, there goes that sites credibility.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Congratulations!
Say if we want to see how software has fared between platform 2 and 3. Say if I want to see if Franchise A has declined or increased. I compare it's iterations on platform 2 and 3. I don't compare a port of Franchise A from platform 1 and now on platform 2 to a new iteration of franchise A on platform 3.
The only use of SM64 DS sales tells us that a new 3D mario on DS could have performed similarly or better (in Japan): 1.2+ million. Thats is absolutely useless in comparing the decline or incline of franchises since the 3D land has sold 2 million. We reach the conclusion of well it could of done better or worse or the similarly....no shit I could told you that from the beginning.
BTW are you going to reply to the second part of my previous post?
Captain Smoker
Member
I wouldn't say this, they don't update everything at the same time I believe, because Dragon Quest wasn't even on that site while it was released, all other games we compared have been in line.
They actually use the public Google Play Store data, so I suppose it just didn't get an update.
I think it's good that we have such a service (and other companies I found in the meantime), they just aren't perfect currently, it's quite a new business.
*posted from a new account on a gaming forum*
theprodigy
Member
are you just hanging around to be an asshole right now
GhostTrick
Banned
I'm sure Dokuro could have sold as much on Vita... if it was 89 cents too.
But hey, I guess that if you want controls, you have to pay a tax.
People are interested in sales performances on Neogaf.
It's not going to be a juggernaut, but I think you are going to see a lot of PS franchises benefit from the halo effect. Like the 360 last gen where you had a very hardcore base of players buying lots of software, the PS4 will see considerable network effects pushing titles that would normally do eh or OK will do surprisingly well. I look at early 360 examples like Dead Rising, Crackdown, Lost Planet, Rainbow Six Vegas, GRAW, etc. Stuff like that.
So I don't think Infamous is going to come out with a 1MM opening month but it might move from a 300k franchise to a 400k franchise.
Has nothing to do with Japan of course.
MasterSheen
Member
Psycho Mantis the DS Fire Emblem games you used in your example are ports as well.