SuperSaiyanWithDreads
Banned
But the online business people told the world that devs don’t make money from gamepass, wow idk who to believe now /s
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ManaByte
Member
Oh it’s already here.
Manwithoutfear
Member
great, now all the experts on here can talk about how it's a failing model and won't work....
Tripolygon
Banned
Just in case people were wondering
FSR 2.0 confirmed support on Xbox Series consoles.
FSR 2.0 confirmed support on Xbox Series consoles.
It is pretty good. I hope all games adopt it or something like it. This would get us closer to the 4K 60fps dream.
No, it does not mean PS5 does not support it just like how they did not announce PS5 support for FSR 1 but it still supports it.
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Dr Bass
Member
Exactly the point I made in the other thread talking about this. It's a meaningless term that allows them to define their control group any way they want. So ... in the end, completely meaningless stats.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
You mean, when someone joins a sub service that grants access to 100+ additional games... they... play more games???
kingfey
Banned
This means gamepass game announcements on social media.
Every Bi-tuesday gamepass drops sets of games on their social media and website.
The news website picks up the games, and make a news segment for them. Then you get other people sharing those games to their friends.
This is an effective ads, since you aren't paying money yo advertise it. People will advertise it for you.
Riky
$MSFT
People are probably spending more money because they are trying more games and purchase something they liked on Gamepass that they normally would never have purchased.
Also since the barrier of entry is lower they probably are less reluctant to spend on add ons and DLC, makes a lot of sense really.
Also since the barrier of entry is lower they probably are less reluctant to spend on add ons and DLC, makes a lot of sense really.
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kingfey
Banned
You just explained it yourself.
You managed to spend $180 on ps5, because gamepass had you covered.
Now take the ps5, and use this on a person who has xbox only. This person will either buy the game, or save the money to buy other games.
You also have games that have dlcs, mtx. People are spending money on those, since the game is covered by gamepass, and they have influx of cash to spend on what they want.
Hope this helps you understand it.
Dr Bass
Member
This makes absolutely zero sense dude. WTF are you even talking about?
Kerotan
Member
BORING!
kingfey
Banned
You want to buy a game. You have gamepass. You see the game that you want on gamepass. Now the money that you had for that game, would go to another game.
Alot of gamepass games have dlc and mtx. Since you paid for gamepass, you don't need to pay for the game. You will have enough money to buy the dlc, or spend some money on mtx.
Gamepass is meeting their needs. And since their needs is fulfilled, they have extra money, on which they can spend on other stuff.
You yourself wouldn't be able to afford to buy games on both consoles, if you didnt have gamepass, which covers Xbox games for you (unless you are rich). So you will have enough money to spend on PS5 games.
If there was no gamepass, you wouldn't have spent that much money on ps5, since you will need to spend money on xbox games too.
Riky
$MSFT
Yes lowering the barrier of entry is paying dividends, both with Gamepass and the Series S console.
People seem more willing to invest in content once they are in, will become even bigger if this economic squeeze continues.
liminalcadet
Member
I have bought four Xboxes (two X/two S) for myself and family. GP is definitely the factor.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I have bought four Xboxes (two X/two S) for myself and family. GP is definitely the factor.
Can't be a game pass thread without arm chair analysts worried about its sustainability
Meanwhile, it's good for small developers, as well as encouraging for people to actually spend more.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Can't be a game pass thread without arm chair analysts worried about its sustainability
Meanwhile, it's good for small developers, as well as encouraging for people to actually spend more.
Actually the slide doesn't say GP makes people increase their spending, it just says people with GP spend more money. You understand the difference right? Meanwhile they have no problem saying after GP players will try 40% more games, which quite honestly isn't anything to write home about. Get it? They don't say subscribers start spending 50% more on games, you're reading it wrong, but I'm sure misreading that will become common place. It makes perfect sense that the more invested on the platform will also have GP.
On the indie side they come back to growth, because there's growth there.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You were more right than you think
GP subscribers spending 45~50% more on games, add-ons and consumables compared to non GP subscribers is being read wrong
Members play 40% more games and 30% different genres of games thus increasing their scope/scale to different kinds of games, but that ain't nothing to write home about
8x lift on back catalog games, 3.5x lift on new games and 15x lift on indie games but i guess that also ain't nothing to write home about
How does this service sustain itself
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Thirty7ven
Banned
You were more right than you think
GP subscribers spending 45~50% more on games, add-ons and consumables compared to non GP subscribers is being read wrong
Members play 40% more games and 30% different genres of games thus increasing their scope/scale to different kinds of games, but that ain't nothing to write home about
8x lift on back catalog games, 3.5x lift on new games and 15x lift on indie games but i guess that also ain't nothing to write home about
How does this service sustain itself
40% more games isn't anything to write home about no. If I played 10 games a year before gamepass, and with gamepass increased to 14 games a year, this looks impressive to you?
And yes you absolutely are reading it wrong, they aren't saying gamers start spending 50% more on average after subscribing to gamepass. How are you missing this? This isn't growth. They drop "growth" for "compared to look alikes", what's a look alike? Oh right, why aren't we talking about growth in spending though?
What's Xbox install base? Active? Now you put 25 million subscribers, which is probably half the userbase and there you go, of course these people by default spend more.
It's funny that you think MS isn't talking about growth in spending because they forgot to mention it when they mention it for other stuff.
edit: Bernd Lauert honestly, if you dont get this, not console warring at all, but if you don't get this... it explains a lot.
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kingfey
Banned
Yes. Because you played 4 more games, than your usual 10 games.
So where does the money these users have go then?
If I am getting the games on gamepass, where do you think my money goes to?
Nice way to jump to install base.
FYI: Gamepass is on both pc and Xbox. That would mean only 15m xbox users use gamepass, compared to the rest.
How do you think growth works?
RevGaming
Member
The 50% more spent is not clear.
It could mean Gamepass users are mostly hardcore that spend normally, 50% more than casuals/nonGPusers.
What it should say: A player that subs, now spends 50% more than what he/she used to before Gamepass.
Microsoft always manipulates what they say so they can look good.
The rest of the stats are obvious and expected.
It could mean Gamepass users are mostly hardcore that spend normally, 50% more than casuals/nonGPusers.
What it should say: A player that subs, now spends 50% more than what he/she used to before Gamepass.
Microsoft always manipulates what they say so they can look good.
The rest of the stats are obvious and expected.
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kingfey
Banned
Honestly, I admire how you guys play around with these data. It's like MS is an evil company, which is trying to trick you.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'd still much rather MS just tell us how much more/less users spend after joining GamePass.
I think that's the number they are holding to their vest.
Not saying it's a bad number; it may just be a secret they don't want competitors really knowing.. but if you can tell us "after joining GP gamers game 40% more" you cant ell us "after joining GP gamers spend XXX".
Instead we get looka-alike users.
TELL USSS MSSS
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Microsoft: "People who subscribe to game pass on average spend 50% more on games, add-ons and consumables"
The average Gaffer "Look at this manipulative evil bastards twisting numbers to their whim"
RevGaming
Member
I'm not playing around. They are.
Where's the Halo Infinite sold 50% more than Halo 5? What about Forza Horizon 5? Did gears 5 sold better than 4?
It's not adding up.
Just like they say Halo has 20m users but neglect the sales. Why, if it's 50%?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The talk, and info, is specific to Game Pass.
Why are you expecting them to bust out sales for games in the last 4, 5 years ?
Literally anything they say, some users will find ways to twist it around as a negative lol.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Yes it's not your reading comprehension that is questionable, no sir. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
And people thought gamepass was bad for the industry
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, I'm not the one trying to turn the statistical and numerical data into a pretzel
Some still do, despite these positive numbers.
There's some examples in this very topic lol.
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RevGaming
Member
Um no.
If Halo Infinite sold 20m already, while Halo 5 only reached 10m sold, I wouldn't be worried about services in general at all.
Why is it hard to understand that some users enjoy high production games (it's why we buy new consoles)?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Thirty7ven
Banned
No, I'm not the one trying to turn the statistical and numerical data into a pretzel
I mean, you're the one drawing a conclusion that isn't supported by the data. You're trying to say there's growth where growth isn't mentioned. It just shows how ill equipped you are to interpret data, but that's ok.
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kingfey
Banned
They are trying to lump all gamepass users in 1 group.
New users don't make old users stop spending money.
Its just that the overall (new and old users) spend more money. And that is due to people gaming too much.
When you have gamepass, you will spend more time on the device, which will increase your chance of spending more time on the store. Since you have now money, which would have went to these games. So you tend to buy similar games that you played.
RevGaming
Member
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I don't know what they are trying; I just know a figure they are leaving out, and it's been clearly left out to me for years now.
When an existing Xbox gamer signs up to Gamepass, are they then spending more money after that date, or less money, on average?
They certainly know these figures.. and they are leaving them out of the presentations.
kingfey
Banned
The funny thing, is that these data isn't for them, but for publishers and developers.
Its not meant for us.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
People play more games, pkay different genres of games, spend more compared to non GP subscribers. New, old, indie game games get a massive lift.
How anyone can turn this into a negative is mind boggling.
kingfey
Banned
Its about budget limitation, and less exposure to the store.
Most people have no idea, that the games that are on gamepass exists, before it arrived on gamepass.
You also have other type of games, which people will never try it, because it's not their taste.
Gamepass is introducing these people to a new outlook, and exposes them to more games.
Now that people are exposed to more games, they will buy more Gamez.
2 years ago, I couldn't buy any game, because my interest was small. Now I bought alot of games, and tons of day1 on other devices because I was exposed to gamepass. Which made me interested in games.
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kingfey
Banned
Because this information isn't for you.
You dont have the data they are talking, which is why you are confused.
These type of stuff is aimed for other guys. It's an advertisement for them.
They are saying "Hey, put your games on our gamepass and our system. Gamepass users are buying alot of games. Come join us"
Lookalikes is a common terms especially in advertising.
You get a subset of users (A) - GP users
You get the global users (B)
You see what characteristic the A group has relative to B. That creates a model of what A users do aka Users in Group A are 3x more likely to play sports games, 2x more likely to buy COD and 1/2 likely to play fighting games.
You can then use that model across an new global of users and see how well your model is at predicting what you though they would do.
What Is Lookalike Modeling? All You Need To Know in 2021 - Tamoco
Lookalike modeling is the process of identifying new customers that look and behave like your current audience.
www.tamoco.com
It's a bit of a weird one so need to see what they were referring to specifically.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
When best deal in gaming also means best deal in gaming industry.
When you realize how good of a deal game pass is.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I dont know what any of this has to do with my post.
MS isn't telling us how gamers actual spending habits change after getting Gamepass.
It's a pretty big missing number.
Riky
$MSFT
When it destroys the narrative you've been peddling for years you got to spin it somehow.
RevGaming
Member
I'm not confused. I know what they're hiding but don't want to show it, even to devs.
It just says that people who like gamepass spend more, not that after gamepass people spend more.
Because the only thing we worry about is that the quality and production of games will drop. This doesn't help our worry.
It's not that hard. Why can't some figure it out?
RevGaming
Member
It hasn't destroyed it. It actually supports it, lol.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So it's the developers and publishers reporting increased player activities and spending ?
But how does this service sustain itself, it's a mystery.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Negative? All I said was that they weren’t sharing how much more people started spending post subscribing to GP, and 40% in number of games played isn’t exactly an incredible number. I mean if you play 100 games a year, sure.
kingfey
Banned
I already told you.
If you have gamepass, you save money.
Gamepass has xbox games. It also contains day1 games from other 3rd party. And 3rd party games.
Unlike Playstation users, Xbox users are saving money, because they aren't spending money on their 1st party games.
Those money is going for other games.
They also buy the games they are interested on gamepass.
This is why gamepass users spend more money. They have access to demo games, which they can make judgment.