I don't remember saying combat was the only thing that mattered, only that it's possible to combine both good combat and RPG mechanics. And I don't think Witcher is as successful as Bloodborne is when it comes to that as well as many others.
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NeoGAF Games of the Year 2015 Awards
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RespectThySole
Member
Okay that's fine, but many clearly felt that TW3 was able to do that so there was no need for the condescending tone about how we're making "excuses."
Robert7lee
Neo Member
The witcher v Bloodborne debate is one thing, both well made games, IMO what wasn't well made or polished is fallout 4. This should never have made the top 10, full of bugs, looks horrible and once again it gets praised. I hate the fact they get away with this EVERYTIME.
Ultimadrago
Member
Ah Ah Ah. Remember, the rest of the Internet no longer exists.
Meccanical
Member
It is funny that some of these post act like just because GAF has ranked Bloodborne the game of the year it is now the only website that matters.
It could be to them, but then they needn't be quoting any other sites. They quickly would become disreputable the minute their worldview misaligned.
I'd have to say it is hard because the list is so large.
Weapon distribution was pretty balanced in the main game for Skill and Strength IMO. Pretty much equal amounts of choice at any point of the game with maybe one more choice for Strength. DLC is pretty much balanced as Strength first Skill last though. You get pretty much every Strength weapon in the first area.
Well that is pretty reasonable.
joecanada
Member
Actually the witcher has its own share of bugs I have a whole list of vids saved on my hard drive of. Clipping in environment, gameplay bugs, getting stuck in environment. The real difference is that fallout 4 is more fun to play and mess around
Meccanical
Member
Nah.
You strip the name from the box and title screen of all these games and I would load up Bloodborne and go, "oh, a Souls game by From Software" from the first second of controlling the character onward.
Now, strip the names from Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, and Bloodborne, allow for a PC version of Demon's Souls in service of graphical ambiguity, and then have me tell you which order they were released in, and that would be much more difficult to confidently ascertain.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Can't believe all this because bloodborne one. Is these threads always like this
Dude, don't do it, even if you ignore the 200+ awards that TW3 has so far, it has won like 70 reader's choice more than Bloodborne, you know, reader's choice like this one.
I mean, if GAF had not chosen Bloodborne, it wouldn't be in your 'reputable site' list anymore?
RespectThySole
Member
Embarrassing.
Teletraan1
Banned
Always interesting and thanks to all those who run this.
Interesting that I am in nobody's top 10 for affinity and my top 10 is not much of a match other than 1 person at 81 and it falls off to 60s after that. Although I did have a pretty niche list and did not include much that is in the top 10 outside of Bloodborne.
Interesting that I am in nobody's top 10 for affinity and my top 10 is not much of a match other than 1 person at 81 and it falls off to 60s after that. Although I did have a pretty niche list and did not include much that is in the top 10 outside of Bloodborne.
ugh_the_boot
Banned
I agree with this 100%, so what if your game is huge you should have enough experience with the this style of game by now and that's not even taking into account the amount of times you have built other games using the exact same engine.
Does this mean Shadow Tower is a King's Field game? Eternal Ring? Making divergent IPs with the same core engine but significant variations in gameplay mechanics is pretty much one of From Software's hallmarks. Bloodborne is a Soulslike, for sure, but so is Lords of the Fallen... which controls about as differently from Dark Souls as Bloodborne does.
As to the second point, I dunno if I agree: Demon's so by far the shortest of the four, and Dark Souls 2 has mechanical changes that make sense as an evolution of Dark 1 (and much like King's field 3 is a step back on the interlocking world design of King's Field 2 (just King's Field in USA) so there's precedent for that kind of backstep) and Bloodborne feels like a Shadow Tower; same core engine but important changes to the mechanics make it its own beast (no pun intended.)
Dude, don't do it, even if you ignore the 200+ awards that TW3 has so far, it has won like 70 reader's choice more than Bloodborne, you know, reader's choice like this one.
The difference is that this site is transparent about the voting methodology, point system, polls stats, the parser script being used, etc. Also voters are encouraged to voice their reasoning for each vote. And this site is very strict about users having multiple accounts and such.
Do you see any other readers choice have their polling system as transparent as this one? I'd like to see one
Majmun
Member
It's a Souls-type game, but no Souls game. A totally different franchise.
It's like saying Lost Odyssey is a solid Final Fantasy game. Not the best entry in the franchise, but still worthy of the Final Fantasy name.
Well, I can see the rationale for JUST one vote, but I'd think as long as someone had, like, 3 then tabulating normally should be just fine.
But I also think it's unfair to people who only really cared about one game that year. And given how it actually unfolded I think it won't make much of a real difference whether they're 4 points or 1, so may as well respect them. And maybe show a "what if" version where lists that only had one game were tossed.
SMH. In an earlier post you were condemning somebody for fanboy induced nonsense, yet here you are with insinuations of sites fixing the votes?
Did people start drinking some sort of brain poison while I wasn't looking
No i'm not accusing sites of fixing votes, i just prefer sites that are transparent of their methods of voting
Darkstorne
Member
It's fine, we're only voting about games here. I just admired those one-vote Bloodborne posts for the humour they provided =D
Pre-Rom Strength weapons:
Kirkhammer, saw cleaver, the ax, Tonitrus, Ludwig's(almost a balanced stat weapon, but does lean toward strength).
Pre-Rom Skills weapons:
Rifle Spear, Saw Spear(Saw cleaver copy), Threaded cane
So 2 weapon difference in favor of strength here, 1 of the weapons between them is pretty much a copy. I suppose my opinion here is tinged by the fact that I hate the threaded cane and think the Rifle spear is boring, while all the strength weapons pre-rom are the most interesting str weapons in the game.
Post Rom: 3 skill weapons, 1 skill weapon in NG+, 1 strength weapon in the main game, and one strength weapon hidden in a chalice.
Then in post rom you get all the cool skill weapons. And, on the other hand, if you don't particulary like Chalices, you get a god damned wooden wheel as a strength weapon. The beast claws are great but the amount of chalice diving you have to do to get them is... Yeah.
But, again, despite this problem BB is still my GOTY.
WrenchNinja
Member
I'm just happy mgsv didn't win
Isendurl
Member
So what are you saying? Are those 70 sites valid or invalid? They can't be both.
But, why you voted for nothing more than PS exclusives? you play nothing more than PS exclusives? I mean, you clearly care so much about the importance and reputation of this voting while your participation in it was clearly biased.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=191619377&postcount=2071
Reiterpallasch is also pre-Rom and LHB isn't really Strength weapon either as it has B scaling in Skill also. Then you can also get BoM before fighting any boss if you know what to do.
But yeah by not liking two of those early weapons you might be disappointed for sure.
Meccanical
Member
The Xtortionist
Member
Bloodborne does a lot better than Dark Souls imo. The level design is much better to me, the combat game feel is way fucking dramatically better with harder hitting weapons and increased feedback, and I enjoy the bosses more. I also think Bloodborne's art style also blows the other games in the series away, not to mention Bloodborne's quality doesn't drop off a cliff after the halfway point; it remains consistently great throughout for the first time in the series since Demon's.
To be honest i don't know who they are, but i know this, i spend a whole lot or all my time here at NeoGAF as my trusted gaming news
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
This is probably the legit first time I've laughed out loud when somebody posts this. This about sums up the thread
Isendurl
Member
Join Date: 12-31-2015
Technically Chikage would also be pre-rom if we're talking Cainhurst. Hell, by that logic, the Beast Claws are also pre-Rom, perhaps I should have worded that divider better. In either case, Ludwig leans toward strength even if the letters are the same, you can see it as you level it up that the strength scaling goes up faster than the skill scaling. Having the same letter != same amount of scaling.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Dude, don't do it, even if you ignore the 200+ awards that TW3 has so far, it has won like 70 reader's choice more than Bloodborne, you know, reader's choice like this one.
That doesn't make it a better game for me. Nor does it make GAF (or media like Gametrailers, Edge, Eurogamer, Polygon, The New Yorker or The Guardian) look funny because they didn't pick The Witcher, as someone here claimed.
An indie game will rarely top any of those lists for example, no matter how good it is. Most of the time these awards go to heavily marketed AAA games played by millions. And very rarely they go to Japanese games.
It was refreshing to see GAF pick a fairly niche game like Bayonetta 2 last year for example, when most went for Dragon Age or Shadow of Mordor. Bloodborne isn't niche of course, but compared to the budget and player counts of The Witcher 3, Phantom Pain and Fallout it is a much smaller, more hardcore game and it's refreshing to see games like that topping lists as well.
Fine, but then you have not much cause to judge who is and isn't "reputable".
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Speaking of how'd that thread go? Id like to see responses in that one. Were people more accepting of bayonetta winning
Majmun
Member
I lurked this forum for probably five years before becoming a member in 2005.
Join date doesn't say much when reading his post. Neogaf can be a timesink even as a non-member.
Nah Bloodborne has way too many renamed Souls mechanics to not be considered one of those games. It's actually a big complaint I have with the game: it doesn't differentiate enough from that series (still the basic structure of souls and recollecting them, same exact world progression structure, same leveling system although vastly stripped down) and in doing so also doesn't carry over some of the progressive changes that Dark Souls 1 and 2 already solved.
Well with Reiterpallasch you just need to enter the castle and pick it up. No need to fight anything if you want to get it. With Chikage you have fight ML which is more of a late game boss so I wouldn't say it is the same logic. Also Beast Claws are way too deep for pre-Rom IMO.
Also LHB gets equal amount of damage points up until 30 with both Skill and Strength after that Strength gives 5 damage with two points and Skill gives 4 with two points. Yes it has small lean towards Strength but not that much.
Fancy Clown
Member
Bloodborne is definitely better than Dark Souls in my mind, and it seems disingenuous to disregard its quality just to write it off as "just another From game". Not only does the game do enough unique things with its story, themes, aesthetic, and mechanics to justify its existence, but it seems silly to ignore its superlative level design, encounters, bosses...well, everything, just because its part of a series of similar, amazing games. It's not the same as Call of Duty because these games maintain an incredibly high standard of quality between each release (well, maybe not quite as high with Dark Souls 2).
I fail to see the purpose of this post.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
A failed attempt at what alot of people on here seem to do to newly joined members or juniors ignore it means absolutely nothing
Hmmm really i thought maybe that would raise more eyebrows.I haven't re-read it, but I believe it was less heated than this year.