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Nintendo Going Mobile: Smartphone Game Deal with DeNA [First Games Fall 2015]
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Miles Quaritch
Member
Why does this feel like a step towards Nintendo going third party?
Not in the next year or even decade, but it feels like the first step has been taken here...
Not in the next year or even decade, but it feels like the first step has been taken here...
SuperCambot
Banned
If I was I'd be all over this
Did you manage to sell? What did you pay originally?
Got it. I'm actually holding on to them.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Make sense this happen , Nintendo needed to adapt or they would die.
Why does this sound like you didn't bother reading the announcement and just saw the title. They aren't putting their hand held games on mobile. They are using their IP to make mobile specific games. Games from the console and hand held aren't being ported over.
Some people don't bother to read anything but the topic title.
Aren't they essentially a third party developer now since their games are coming out on other platforms (smartphones)?
Orbis Tabula
Member
Well, because it sort of is. It is definitely a first step.
What matters is whether they take any more steps. Could be in ten years, Nintendo is strong as hell, buoyed by the third pillar that is mobile devices. Could be that they're a 3rd party studio, making games for everyone who wants them. In that case, people will definitely point to this decision as the beginning of the end.
But, I guess how you should feel right now depends on how optimistic you are, because it could still very easily go either way.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
I like this!
I always shake my head at that excuse.
Before I'd give off a rant, but now I just tell the developers to git gud!
Put in AAA effort instead of shovelware/ port cash grabs.
even if your stupid prediction did come true that'd be a terrible thing for the game industry as nintendo are probably the most consistently great developer around. no nintendo home consoles and games would be fucking horrible.
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Deleted member 752119
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Eh, it could go either way.
It could just be another new revenue stream (along with Amiibo and QoL) that helps them keep their dedicated gaming hardware line going as it gives them more money to put into R&D, makes it easier to weather some launch losses if they want to go more powerful and price aggressively, easier to weather a failure here and there like the Wii U.
Or it could show them that their games sell great on any platform, that they can make the type of games they want to without their own hardware, and spur a move to third party.
Time will tell.
The most obvious candidates for release on mobile are Brain Training and Nintendogs.
Iwata's theory is that in addition to being able to make money from mobile games, they will act as free advertising for their IP and dedicated devices and actually increase sales of their handhelds and consoles.
Step 1) Get new customer playing Nintendo IP on smart devices
Step 2) Convince this user to upgrade to a more premium gaming option(console, handheld, NX)
Iwata's theory is that in addition to being able to make money from mobile games, they will act as free advertising for their IP and dedicated devices and actually increase sales of their handhelds and consoles.
Step 1) Get new customer playing Nintendo IP on smart devices
Step 2) Convince this user to upgrade to a more premium gaming option(console, handheld, NX)
I did read the article. What I am saying is that these games will make a lot of money and be good, due to the fact that Nintendo knows how to make great handheld...ie mobile....games. Sorry if worded poorly.
What first step? There is only 'third party' and 'not third party', and Nintendo is now a third party developer as well as a first party one. It has happened. The step has been taken, and once the first game releases then it is done.
I do not buy those that say that Nintendo will not have anything to do with the development of the games. There is simply no way that they put the fate of their IP in DeNA's hands like that.
EDIT: If you meant exclusively third party then I apologize. I have argued for years, though, that they should be third party in the home console space, but not the handheld one.
Thank you.
its going to be shovelware with nintendo themed characters
infiniteloop
Member
From the second sentence of the PR:
"leveraging the strength of Nintendo's intellectual property (IP) and game development skills in combination with DeNA's world-class expertise in mobile games, both companies will develop and operate new game apps based on Nintendo's IP, including its iconic game characters, for smart devices. "
In the past, I am aware that Nintendo has mentioned licensing IPs, mergers & acquisitions, raising brand awareness by using mobile devices as a marketing tools and putting Miiverse on smartphones, but what I don't get is why Nintendo didn't do what it is doing with this new plan sooner. With that said, I realize that this kind of thing obviously takes considerable consideration and planning before Nintendo can reveal such news to the public, but the thing is, Iwata spoke about mobile devices last year as if its not something Nintendo would ever support for anything more than as a means to use as a marketing tool. Iwata felt that supporting mobile games would devalue Nintendo IP and he also said he was not concerned about short-term profitability, but more so about the future of the company for as long as he remained in his position at Nintendo.
I understand that Iwata has acknowledged the need for Nintendo to expand its business and make more revenue beyond its primarily reliance on the sales its dedicated hardware and software. We've seen them take risks with Amiibo and have plans for this other risky upcoming Quality of Life product as well. Iwata knows that Nintendo needs to adapt and position itself in a place where it has more flexibility and isn't stuck in a bad spot like it was earlier this generation with the 3DS not being able to compensate for Nintendo's financial and marketing issues with Wii U.
To be clear, is Nintendo actually goign to have real , full-fledged games put on mobile devices or is this new software just going to be mobile gaming apps ?
I understand that Iwata has acknowledged the need for Nintendo to expand its business and make more revenue beyond its primarily reliance on the sales its dedicated hardware and software. We've seen them take risks with Amiibo and have plans for this other risky upcoming Quality of Life product as well. Iwata knows that Nintendo needs to adapt and position itself in a place where it has more flexibility and isn't stuck in a bad spot like it was earlier this generation with the 3DS not being able to compensate for Nintendo's financial and marketing issues with Wii U.
To be clear, is Nintendo actually goign to have real , full-fledged games put on mobile devices or is this new software just going to be mobile gaming apps ?
This is so accurate. Exactly how this should be interpreted.
It sounds like they're getting involved:
"Nintendo and DeNA will jointly develop and operate gaming applications for smart devices in global markets.
With this alliance, new entertainment that utilizes Nintendos IP will be provided globally via smart devices."
Well then...
I completely agree as somebody that doesn't play Nintendo games all that often. Nintendo games on consoles and handhelds are fantastic when they appeal to me, and at least for now the mobile experience can't touch them. I mean why would anybody even want Nintendo to be mobile only? Unless they are strictly only a mobile gamer which I doubt there are many here on gaf at any rate.
Nintendo are not developing the games just lending the ips but continue on your hate train.
This is sort of my fear. And it'll probably be when I bow out of buying new consoles, to be honest. They're basically the only big publisher that makes games that consistently match my taste.
Sorry. A bit touchy today. I get what your saying.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Nintendo is developing them. DeNA is responsible for everything else.
Since Nirolak mentioned deals with Disney Channel, CN and other networks for movies/cartoons/whatever, I just gave a better look at this slide of the presentation
Visual Content wouldn't be movies/cartoons? In that case...doesn't that confirm that Nintendo is actually working on that front as well?
Visual Content wouldn't be movies/cartoons? In that case...doesn't that confirm that Nintendo is actually working on that front as well?
NeoGeoOwner
Banned
It's good to see that the first games arrive this fall. Together with Zelda coming out, Nintendo is about to get paid.
eh, not surprised. Just another step closer to getting Pokemon on my phone.
This is my new favourite gif, too cute.
This is my new favourite gif, too cute.
Since Nirolak mentioned deals with Disney Channel, CN and other networks for movies/cartoons/whatever, I just gave a better look at this slide of the presentation
Visual Content wouldn't be movies/cartoons? In that case...doesn't that confirm that Nintendo is actually working on that front as well?
Well the WSJ already broke the news that they are working with Netflix on a Zelda series so we know they are going in that direction.
eyeball_kid
Member
That's not true, at all. I listened to the conference last night and DeNA's CEO said, "Nintendo will be handling most of the front-end of games, and we will be helping with servers."
And then Iwata said, "To clarify, by 'front-end' we mean the part gamers play."
It seems their relationship is such that Nintendo will be developing most of the mobile apps themselves, and DeNA will be handling things like cloud services, maybe the unified user system, etc.
Cramoss
Member
Developing also
MrMephistoX
Member
They're still making console games and not dedicating their internal resources so this could actually be a big market boost for them and increase sales of their home consoles through cross pollination. China will be huge.
They can just use the proceeds to fund R&D.
They can just use the proceeds to fund R&D.
evilromero
Member
Just a reminder that many diehards refused to ever acknowledge that Nintendo would ever make mobile games. Please keep this example in mind when discussing what Nintendo might or might not do in the future since there are plenty of reasonable possibilities.
stuminus3
Member
Nice try.
This together with the "jointly develop" (in bold) needs to be in the OP. It's not Hyrule Warriors kind of thing, it's a long term joint operation.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hopefully Nintendo has the foresight to make sure their mobile stuff is compatible with their next gen handheld and console.
I don't know, this seems like an overall good idea, they can get their IPs on smartphones and get a ton more sales and attention for their franchises, and thus luring them into buying their hardware where people can get the more premium experiences.
Really this isn't much different from what they said they'd be doing before, except instead of something vague like "apps" it will be actual games that best lend themselves to mobile/touchscreen only experiences like Warioware and other mini-game type stuff.
Really this isn't much different from what they said they'd be doing before, except instead of something vague like "apps" it will be actual games that best lend themselves to mobile/touchscreen only experiences like Warioware and other mini-game type stuff.
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