KennyLinder
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Yeah and you couldn't call your family in another country as the phone would be region locked.
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Nintendo shares plunge 6% by Monday close after trading as low as -18%
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Yeah and you couldn't call your family in another country as the phone would be region locked.
Isn't the Play Store and App Store region locked?
How small should be the battery and how resistive the touchscreen to cover for that many pirated games?
Edit: you know that developing games costs money, right? Or you can end with games like Final Fantasy ports, that's true.
Nicktendo86
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If it was such a no brainer, easy thing to do, why hasn't Sony tried this with thier Xperia tablets? The Vita has bombed, you say the 3DS is dying so the Vita much be what, a zombie? Seriously if a gaming tablet is such a great idea why hasn't Sony tried it? I really don't think it is such a good idea. Price, ability to pirate software and consumer confusion are three good enough reasons for me to say fuck that.
dripdripsplash
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Are you serious ? It's all mario rehashes every couple of years.
Corronchilejano
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DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and instead of getting them an iPhone/ipad you could get them this Nintendo Landlocked monstrosity!
This whole idea that people are at such a loss for things to buy their kids that they would in desperation turn to <turdproductbynintendo> really does show what a dire mess things are right now.
Re: Gaming Tablet -
what Nintendo should do is create one that has great 3rd party support, has next gen HD graphics and other apps like an ipad. Lots of amazing 1st party ga... .oh wait, I'm describing the WiiU.
So, because Sony hasn't released a gaming tablet then it must be a bad idea? Ok. So I guess Nintendo should do everything Sony does.
Alright Nintendo, let's hear about your plans for a $399 console with modern technology.
Nintendo has just a few choices right now. They can offer an expensive console product, aimed at the western market and compete directly with Sony and MS, or they release cheap hardware, which would appeal to casuals. The latter option, which seems like what Nintendo is aiming at given recent comments, is basically directly competing with tablets anyway.
Nintendo is already competing head to head with the mobile market, but with products which are not phones or tablets. This is what is killing them. People want phones or tablets. Not an underpowered console, and not some handheld. That market is dying. The 3DS has arm processors and was originally going to have Tegra. Does that tech sound familiar?
Nicktendo86
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Oh ffs, this again? There have been 5 mainline 3D Mario games since 1996, each console has got ONE Mario Kart game, yes they do sports games etc but other than the Olympic ones they rarely bring out two version of a Mario themed game on one console. It is just such nonsense to say all Nintendo do it Mario rehashes.
Pikmin didn't sell great, it got a sequel on WiiU as fans wanted it and Miyamoto wanted to do it. The Wonderful 101 would not have been made if not bankrolled by Nintendo. Next Level Games were given three fucking years to work on a sequel to Luigi's Mansion, again just because Miyamoto wanted it done and a few fans wanted a new game. They may not bring out a new IP every year but they make games which we KNOW won't sell shitloads and the only reason they can afford to is because they make their own hardware. Look at what's happened to Sega!
ultratruman
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You'Re describing what the Wii U could have been, had Nintendo executed properly. As it stands today, none of those things apply to Wii U.
Has this been linked yet?
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/01/20/nintendos-woes-dont-mean-game-over-for-its-consoles/
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/01/20/nintendos-woes-dont-mean-game-over-for-its-consoles/
I can't even tell when people are serious or not... Ignoring the fact that the Wii U hardware itself is probably the biggest, riskiest investment ever made by a major console manufacturer, do you really think the risks of games like Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Sin and Punishment 2, Xenoblade, Wii Fit, Wii Music, etc etc are completely undone every time a new Mario game comes out? Nintendo release tons of titles that aren't likely to ignite the sales charts, no less so than Sony (and much more so than Microsoft). They're hardly a "safe" publisher, they just happen to have safe staples in their IP library, and any company would kill to have that recognition
before driving it into the fucking ground and making people realize how sporadically Nintendo actually cashed in on these titles.
jts
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But aren't numbers exactly the same as friend codes? Yes, they are.
Here and there. It's been what he has been saying for a while, but people choose to ignore it.
Basileus777
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The mobile market - phone or tablet - is an extremely bloody ocean though.
Nintendo needs to focus on its core competency, and look for the blue oceans that are emerging or will emerge soon around that.
VR VR VR
VR won't remain a blue ocean for long, and most of the potential competitors would be much better suited to pioneering VR than Nintendo, at least on the hardware/technological front.
It's been reported. But it's an extremely boring idea. Companion marketing apps for console games aren't a new thing and will have limited impact IMO. People will try and are far more likely to simply switch over to the next mobile game ten minutes later than go out and spend 60 quid (+ cost of the hw initially!) on the console game.
I hope that's not the extent of their new business strategy.
Because a lot of IPs would be abandoned and the quality of the remaining titles would suffer. Right now, Nintendo develops system sellers. They'd have neither the motivation nor any reason to continue that model as a 3rd party.
I don't think so. Read what Iwata said on Friday and it started off focusing on pricing.
The new business strategy seems to me that we'll have other ways in addition to purchasing a game outright. Rentals, subscriptions etc.
Basically, I think Wii Sports Club was a tester of their plans and it will continue like that.
Want to try a game? 99p for a 24 hour go on it. Things like that. Perhaps a subscription service for the Virtual Console, and maybe even a contract purchase of the console.
Nintendo can come up with nifty solutions though. The Wii-mote, for its time, for example.
And their game development expertise, their experience in applying new control approaches in exemplary ways (the analog stick, motion control)... it would be perfect for fleshing out the rules of VR games.
And they can claim pedigree, in the sense that they claim its something they've always wanted to do and 'now we can'.
TBH, it would be shocking to me if Nintendo never dabbled in VR given the kinds of technologies they have explored in the past. And IF they're going to, I think they should get in on the ground floor - now - rather than let it become another thing that turns into red waters.
I think it's a good idea, but the way to deliver that without a big upfront hardware investment on the part of the consumer suggests something like cloud delivery...which Iwata has been sceptical of.
But if they have turned on this and figure they can do it, then yeah, I'd love to see them do it. I could easily see folks paying a dollar or two to let kids play Mario for an hour on the ipad. And those dollars or two could add up over time if the kids keep coming back...
Wanna own the game and avoid 'renting'? Go buy 3DS and the game.
Nicktendo86
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The point I was trying to make is that as Sony hasn't tried to make a gaming tablet, even though that are in a MUCH better position to do so (they are part of the OHA, they have supply chain contacts, already make Android tablets etc) then maybe it won't be such a good idea for Nintendo either.
What would they do about piracy? I suppose you could say if they only release their games on their tablets with their own store they could implement some DRM or something, but I think that would get hacked pretty quickly.
What about price? It would have to be attractive enough to get people's attention but also affordable, how would that work? Again they have no supply chain contacts in making a high spec device like a modern tablet, they would have to pay through the nose and that would push up the price.
What about consumer confusion? To combat piracy they would have to just have games on their tablet and not the play store, but a key benefit of android is that you can download anything from the store to any android device, people would still expect that they could buy a Nexus 7 for example and play the Nintendo games as they saw someone playing a Pokemon on the Nintendo tab. Consumers are idiots, a lot of people think ipads are the name of all tablets, I think it would be a mess.
I see where you are coming from, the handheld space has declined and tablets are going up and up so Nintendo should make a tablet. But it is not as simple as that, I really feel it would be a disaster if they tried to go along the path you propose...
Well it won't be on the iPad, but yeah it could work out very well and be very profitable. They can still do renting on consoles, as seen with Wii Karaoke and Wii Sports Club.
peanutbutterlatte
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I guess they'll do whatever they have to in order to sustain the business, but hoping with a vengeance that doesn't entail joining the awful train of touch controlled F2P shit that is a blight on the hobby. I don't even mind if that's not your opinion of it, but it's not the way I want something that occupies my time to go, personally. Hopefully there are enough that feel the same to keep this company going.
Which is why I expect Nintendo's next systems to be dirt cheap, probably built using (modified) off-the-shelf mobile components.
flatearthpandas
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It's weird to me how celebratory these threads seem to be considering even in the Gaf GOTY 2013 Nintendo was the publisher with the most nominated games.
So much hatred for not pursuing suicidal business strategies that would put any company not backed by a giant corporation out of business?
Ah well. Stock decrease right now is less surprising than the recent increase.
So much hatred for not pursuing suicidal business strategies that would put any company not backed by a giant corporation out of business?
Ah well. Stock decrease right now is less surprising than the recent increase.
Nintendo can either make a tablet or prepare to leave the hardware market. Perhaps, perhaps they have 1 more generation of reasonably successful handhelds and maybe one more good console (it would have to be very, very cheap) before the true implosion happens. Fighting the hard fight to get a healthy chunk of the tablet market is worthwhile.
What does that even mean? My Hong Kong iPhone has downloaded stuff from the USA, China, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and UK App Stores.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I suspect it's too late but a DS Micro might have been an idea - you know, with no card slot but with a slim form factor and built in memory and a true VC/Downloadable system at IPhone style prices
The DS is still popular and still has the name recognition - just make sure you have all NES/SNES titles available along with wide reaching DS games at -reasonable- prices. That library isn't making you any money so even "ios" prices would be at least some income.
Then again - this is what I thought "Nintendo Café" was going to be about - an all in one service where it was , basically, Nintendo ITunes but for games - but that seems to be beyond what they want to do. Hell, just make it platform agnostic and let anyone run the service. Ios users don't care about the crappy controls? fine - they can still buy in - 3DS users get a superior version and there's an "upgrade path"
The DS is still popular and still has the name recognition - just make sure you have all NES/SNES titles available along with wide reaching DS games at -reasonable- prices. That library isn't making you any money so even "ios" prices would be at least some income.
Then again - this is what I thought "Nintendo Café" was going to be about - an all in one service where it was , basically, Nintendo ITunes but for games - but that seems to be beyond what they want to do. Hell, just make it platform agnostic and let anyone run the service. Ios users don't care about the crappy controls? fine - they can still buy in - 3DS users get a superior version and there's an "upgrade path"
Mysterious
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I would agree with your tablet proposition, except for one significant thing: Android is extremely easy to hack, which will lead to piracy. There is no amount of DRM that will prevent this.
I agree that whatever comes from this business's strategy change, it won't have immediate effects.
The priority is to salvage the Wii, stop it from bleeding money. The closest course of action I can think of is the relaunch of the Wii U under another name and without the GamePad, in order to save cost. Unless this has been already under planning ever since the last year, I can't see this happening until the end of the year.
For the long term, I can see their next handheld being a portable/phone hybrid so they can enter the smartphone market without seceding to develop for Android and iOS. I do think they have a fair shot at this market.
For their next console, I don't know what kind of strategy they can take. I do know some things:
- It may have a gimmick, but it can't afford to be something on the level of the GamePad. it needs to be cost friendly. I say invest on Wiimote 2, someone threw in some thread the concept of a perfectly hybrid of a pro-controller/Wiimote. That can do everything that a traditional controller and the Wiimote could.
- They need to stop developing hardware thinking on themselves and start thinking on 3rd parties, regardless of it's strength, it needs to be, at least, viable for crossplatform porting. Other-wise, they can kiss good bye to any hope of 3rd party support.
The priority is to salvage the Wii, stop it from bleeding money. The closest course of action I can think of is the relaunch of the Wii U under another name and without the GamePad, in order to save cost. Unless this has been already under planning ever since the last year, I can't see this happening until the end of the year.
For the long term, I can see their next handheld being a portable/phone hybrid so they can enter the smartphone market without seceding to develop for Android and iOS. I do think they have a fair shot at this market.
For their next console, I don't know what kind of strategy they can take. I do know some things:
- It may have a gimmick, but it can't afford to be something on the level of the GamePad. it needs to be cost friendly. I say invest on Wiimote 2, someone threw in some thread the concept of a perfectly hybrid of a pro-controller/Wiimote. That can do everything that a traditional controller and the Wiimote could.
- They need to stop developing hardware thinking on themselves and start thinking on 3rd parties, regardless of it's strength, it needs to be, at least, viable for crossplatform porting. Other-wise, they can kiss good bye to any hope of 3rd party support.
Nicktendo86
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I sort of agree with you, something has to give. The console market has hardly been massively profitable for the other two either, but I honestly have no clue what Nintendo should do. If they actually tried to court third parties, named the console something less confusing, didn't have a funky controller than I reckon they could get back a lot of marketshare... or maybe not. I really don't know. Interesting times ahead anyway!
Because that just goes againt their dream of having their games on Xbone and PS4
Am I crazy to think that Nintendo could have still stemmed some of this by doing some stupidly simple stuff with WiiU? Like not naming it WiiU and not having the new system look almost identical physically to the old one? They really lost Holiday 2012 because of that I think, no one knew it was a new system and Nintendo didn't show it was (it also didn't help that they refused to change the look of mario, sticking with the "new" aesthetic and Pikmin went from launch to launch window to the middle of next summer) And then the tide stayed against them, especially with ps4 and xbone news ramping up.
I honestly don't know what they can do now. WiiU is a failure that will not recover. 3DS is I guess doing ok now, but the DS it isn't. Even some of the games they are coming up with I think look boring or plain bad. I want to say shuffle management, but they'd have to bring in people from outside and I don't think they'll do that.
I honestly don't know what they can do now. WiiU is a failure that will not recover. 3DS is I guess doing ok now, but the DS it isn't. Even some of the games they are coming up with I think look boring or plain bad. I want to say shuffle management, but they'd have to bring in people from outside and I don't think they'll do that.
They wouldn't use Android in the first place, they'd use something like Firefox OS, Nintendo Web Framework on top of a proprietary OS.
peanutbutterlatte
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Nintendo reminds me of Hobbits
"Change comes slowly in The Shire, if it comes at all"
"Change comes slowly in The Shire, if it comes at all"
ultratruman
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I don't understand why it would need to run Android. Why can't they make their own, proprietary OS that's optimised for games and more secure, like the Vita OS? With the right policies, the necessary apps will come. I don't think they're losing a whole lot by not having access to the Google Play 'ecosystem'.
I might be playing a Zelda or Mario game on my PS4? I was thinking for sure PS5 but this is happening faster then I anticipated
You better stop thinking if that is the result. But really, of course not...
We're looking at the end of an era with Nintendo in it's current situation. Or, with some luck a new beginning.
Let's hope for the sake of traditional gaming Nintendo comes out of this well, or we will be looking at sales charts like this for the next 10 years:
01 (01) PS4 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
02 (04) PS4 KILLZONE: SHADOW FALL (SONY COMPUTER ENT.)
03 (07) 360 MINECRAFT: XBOX 360 EDITION (MICROSOFT)
04 (06) 360 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
05 (05) PS4 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
06 (10) XBO FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
07 (08) PS4 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
08 (12) PS3 FIFA 14 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
09 (02) 360 CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
10 (09) 360 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
11 (14) PS4 ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG (UBISOFT)
12 (13) XBO BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
13 (03) 360 GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2)
14 (15) XBO FORZA MOTORSPORT 5 (MICROSOFT)
15 (19) PC FOOTBALL MANAGER 2014 (SEGA)
16 (17) 360 BATTLEFIELD 4 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
17 (24) 360 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
18 (20) XBO CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
19 (23) PS4 LEGO MARVEL SUPER HEROES (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
20 (26) 360 ALIENS: COLONIAL MARINES (SEGA)
The smiley face meant I was joking lol. I do believe Nintendo has one more console in them and if it doesn't succeed then its third party. If Nintendo ever does go third party it will most likely be in the next decade.
Captain Smoker
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There are currently 184.097 active games in the iOS store.
This number doubled since January 2012.
The only thing that ensures you good sales are:
- A place on the front page
- An already acclaimed franchise that gives you a good place on the front page
- A place in one of the categories / special lists in the App Store that doesn't come after rank 50
- Word of mouth / social media hype <- but this is probably more luck than anything
The directly visible part of games probably accounts for 0,50 % of all available games, if we assume that you can find 1.000 games through two-level-linkage.
source: http://148apps.biz/app-store-metrics/?mpage=appcount
In a theoretical scenario Nintendo has the benefit that it has acclaimed franchises which should get a good place on the front-page and overall buzz.
But you people should consider that only their biggest mainstream franchises should really benefit from this. Mario, Pokemon, probably Animal Crossing.
Kirby or Fire Emblem won't quadruple their sales, even if they do, they need to do this, because the price tag is probably 10 times smaller than it would be on their own device. Plus 30% pay-out-ratio to Apple.
I'll probably going to create a thread with a hypothetical scenario (also considering Android and the worldwide growing smartphone market) to see how much Nintendo could benefit or not from this mobile hype.
I read hundrets of posts and suggestions that Nintendo could make big money but I didn't see a single calcuation considering this topic.
This number doubled since January 2012.
The only thing that ensures you good sales are:
- A place on the front page
- An already acclaimed franchise that gives you a good place on the front page
- A place in one of the categories / special lists in the App Store that doesn't come after rank 50
- Word of mouth / social media hype <- but this is probably more luck than anything
The directly visible part of games probably accounts for 0,50 % of all available games, if we assume that you can find 1.000 games through two-level-linkage.
Code:
Count of Active Applications By Month
Month # Apps # Games # Total
(...)
2011-12 343,703 96,273 439,976
2012-01 358,144 98,892 457,036
2012-02 371,685 101,302 472,987
2012-03 388,422 104,142 492,564
2012-04 405,986 107,285 513,271
2012-05 424,624 110,380 535,004
2012-06 440,218 113,159 553,377
2012-07 455,020 115,880 570,900
2012-08 470,982 118,785 589,767
2012-09 490,912 122,230 613,142
2012-10 511,113 125,433 636,546
2012-11 531,976 128,450 660,426
2012-12 552,168 132,377 684,545
2013-01 575,636 136,090 711,726
2013-02 596,631 139,567 736,198
2013-03 619,642 143,621 763,263
2013-04 644,603 147,965 792,568
2013-05 669,581 152,212 821,793
2013-06 691,263 155,892 847,155
2013-07 715,135 160,595 875,730
2013-08 737,521 165,217 902,738
2013-09 763,089 170,071 933,160
2013-10 794,255 176,822 971,077
2013-11 812,653 181,861 994,514
2013-12 816,605 [B]184,097[/B] 1,000,702In a theoretical scenario Nintendo has the benefit that it has acclaimed franchises which should get a good place on the front-page and overall buzz.
But you people should consider that only their biggest mainstream franchises should really benefit from this. Mario, Pokemon, probably Animal Crossing.
Kirby or Fire Emblem won't quadruple their sales, even if they do, they need to do this, because the price tag is probably 10 times smaller than it would be on their own device. Plus 30% pay-out-ratio to Apple.
I'll probably going to create a thread with a hypothetical scenario (also considering Android and the worldwide growing smartphone market) to see how much Nintendo could benefit or not from this mobile hype.
I read hundrets of posts and suggestions that Nintendo could make big money but I didn't see a single calcuation considering this topic.
Nicktendo86
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And that would then take away a good reason to own the tablet: compatibility with android apps/games. If WP can only get 4% market share so far, what hope would a proprietary Nintendo OS have in the mobile space? They might as well just add some buttons and you have a dedicated handheld.
Because then they will need the 3rd party support to develop specifically for this tablet. They will need a lots of apps that you can find already available on Android. They would need such a big development effort to launch a tablet that provides basic features for a tablet. And Android would be perfect except for one major thing - piracy - which takes it out of the game practically.
I think their next handheld will be in a shape of a tablet but still a handheld.
Hardware premium. Make money off hardware. Make many F2P titles.
TheMagician
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UK news covering Nintendo now.
http://news.sky.com/story/1197808/nintendo-hit-by-wii-u-game-sales-collapse
http://news.sky.com/story/1197808/nintendo-hit-by-wii-u-game-sales-collapse
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