Unfortunately he is talking about the reality. Nintendo will fuck up any attempt at a tablet...for sure.
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Unfortunately he is talking about the reality. Nintendo will fuck up any attempt at a tablet...for sure.
Would people buy a Nintendo Tablet just for the form factor but without all the Android Apps? Might as well stick to a dedicated gaming handheld, because that just sounds like what it is. Would Nintendo and third parties provide enough apps to make this a truly multi-purpose tablet? I have my doubts... Anecdotal, but I already had enough trouble deciding to switch from an iPhone to an Android phone because I'd be missing out on some iOS apps (of which there are no Android alternatives of equal quality yet)/
H_Prestige
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Where is the research to suggest that the market is there for nintendo franchises on nintendo consoles? I know the question sounds ridiculous, but this is what the wii u shows us right now.
As of now even Knack has outsold 3d world. Knack. I find it hard to believe that mario and zelda would sell even worse as ps4/xb1 games.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I just don't think a Nintendo tablet or phone is a good idea. The market is way too crowded.
Their best option is to put VC games on mobile included with ads for their console/portable games. That could do exactly what Iwata hinted at when he said they need to make mobile customers aware of their library.
Then, Nintendo desperately needs another revolutionary Wii-like system to draw in casuals again. I really think VR is the next big wave to bring in those casuals but I have no faith they can be first to market with it.
Their best option is to put VC games on mobile included with ads for their console/portable games. That could do exactly what Iwata hinted at when he said they need to make mobile customers aware of their library.
Then, Nintendo desperately needs another revolutionary Wii-like system to draw in casuals again. I really think VR is the next big wave to bring in those casuals but I have no faith they can be first to market with it.
Captain Smoker
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I feel like Nintendo still has potential.
I wouldn't mind a downscaling of their traditionnal games activities (cheap home/portable consoles living on a stream of classic Nintendo IP done in the vein of NES/SNES) and a broadening of games-oriented experiences (pursuit of Wii motion controls, VR, home automation, street pass, miiverse etc...) done in conjunction with major partners (Docomo, Softbank, Google, Amazon).
for example, a Nintendo home automation machine done in conjunction with Docomo/Google could be great family fun.
Nintendo has money to make by lending its name/ideas to outside partners. they would benefit from not taking the financial risks 100% on their own when developping new gaming experiences that are family oriented.
as far as traditionnal portable/home consoles are concerned, the day Nintendo publishes its games as 3rd party, I'm done with them unless it's some sort of unprecedented partnership with apple/google/amazon.
I wouldn't mind a downscaling of their traditionnal games activities (cheap home/portable consoles living on a stream of classic Nintendo IP done in the vein of NES/SNES) and a broadening of games-oriented experiences (pursuit of Wii motion controls, VR, home automation, street pass, miiverse etc...) done in conjunction with major partners (Docomo, Softbank, Google, Amazon).
for example, a Nintendo home automation machine done in conjunction with Docomo/Google could be great family fun.
Nintendo has money to make by lending its name/ideas to outside partners. they would benefit from not taking the financial risks 100% on their own when developping new gaming experiences that are family oriented.
as far as traditionnal portable/home consoles are concerned, the day Nintendo publishes its games as 3rd party, I'm done with them unless it's some sort of unprecedented partnership with apple/google/amazon.
Well, whatever it would be, they almost definitely won't make an Android tablet, or any device running Android for that matter. It makes zero sense for Nintendo to compete with Apple or Samsung in the tablet space, or with Microsoft and Sony in the console space. They need to carve out their own niche.
ultratruman
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They'd buy it for the games, in a form factor that appeals to people. Kids who come into my store say they prefer the 2DS because it looks like a tablet. Form factor is everything nowadays.
Maybe it's just me, but I think the hype around hot new phone apps has kinda died off. Once you have the essentials (facebook, YouTube, Twitter, a solid browser), everything besides games just seems superfluous.
The difficult part is we're talking about Nintendo here. They'd have to come up with the right, developer friendly policies and create an OS which is capable of executing this vision.
Well this thread was premature .
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747631&highlight=stock
Shows how things can change very quickly in finance world.
. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747631&highlight=stock
Shows how things can change very quickly in finance world.
The way I see it, dedicated gamers are on console and PC. Casuals are on mobile. Any attempt at catering to casuals is going head to head with Ipad anyway.
Maybe a mini-cast-AR set up would be more likely from them. But without the glasses. Like a box with one side missing, a camera to track your eyes, and some low power projector, projecting images onto the box sides to give an illusion of 3D inside the box.
Not really VR but it might be a something that is 'kind of' VR/AR ish but lower cost and more accessible. Depending on what 'mini projector' technology is like...
I don't know. They might take a kind of side on approach, I guess is what I'm saying. It still leaves questions about how or whether to hitch something like that to Wii U or to make it its own thing or to even bring it as a peripheral based platform to other devices.
Core? The same core that refuse to buy the Wii U until it hits sub $100? The same core that love the games but are waiting for them to show up on a different platform?
Nintendo is fucked unless they have another Wii-like breakout; a precarious situation that they themselves are responsible for being in.
Maybe they get lucky and Sony leaves the gaming business due to bankruptcy. That's more believable at this point than them turning anything around in the eyes of core gamers.
Night Angel
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I don't get why some people think that Nintendo making their own tablet is a good idea. Why not license their games for both iOS and Android to take advantage of the existing user bases there? I doubt Nintendo would be able to create a tablet with the appeal of the iPad; I think that a Nintendo only tablet would fail miserably, as many people already have tablets and it would be difficult to convince them that they need another. Better to sell games alone than sell nothing.
More like "maybe MS gets lucky". It's not like Sony and Nintendo public overlap THAT much.
That quip is as old as the Empire.
As long as the mainstream smartphones keep lacking, a least, an analog button. It's just not worth to release Nintendo games on them. Touchscreen-only is horrible to traditional gaming and will probably severely hurt brand perception.
At the very least, turn-based RPGs like Pokémon and Earthbound can work, I definitively think Nintendo should experiment with old-gen ports.
What about catering to both?
With 2 devices
Which can like, GATTAI/SYMMETRICAL DOCK together - bringing dedicated and casual together again.
And all is well in the universe.
It doesn't matter who plays what on which class of device right now, Nintendo needs to come up with something customers feel is desirable and offers a good value proposition, without actually competing with anything directly. Similarities aren't a huge problem as long as they manage to differentiate their product. I mean, it basically makes zero sense to buy a tablet if you already have a smartphone, as they're essentially the same and even run the same software, yet people still do.
Eteric Rice
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I expect companion apps. Doubt we'll see Nintendo doing phone games, though.
Isn't that what Brickhunt said?
I have a toothache. My brain is not functioning properly it seems.
I don't think that's going to cut it, but we'll see. It's time to throw investors a bone.
Read the previously linked article
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/01/20/nintendos-woes-dont-mean-game-over-for-its-consoles/
It's not happening.
They don't have to announce a mobile game, they have to provide a clear vision. No fluff, something substantial. Investors want to know where they're heading.
Night Angel
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Speaking of Pokemon, how does this make you feel?
"Pay $0.99 for more pokeballs? Y/N"
What about a wealth of options for increasing exp gain and catch rates? O-Powers can be microtransactions! Oh, what a wonderful world!
"Pay $0.99 for more pokeballs? Y/N"
What about a wealth of options for increasing exp gain and catch rates? O-Powers can be microtransactions! Oh, what a wonderful world!
H_Prestige
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Whatever, sales are comparable. That's shocking enough as is.
KennyLinder
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Yep. I was just making a ridiculous comment to match the idea of Nintendo making a mobile phone.
No.
Nicktendo86
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Something like a pokedex could be neat, make it NFC compatible so you can bump phones and share info with friends. Feels like a typical Nintendo style thing.
I would love a hyrule historia like the book, update it whenever they release a new game. Fluff apps just to advertise the games is the way they go I think.
Captain Smoker
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PS4s hardware base in UK is quite higher and Knack is bundled, don't know what's shocking about this, 3D World can't do wonders on it own in UK.
3D World has 570.000 to 600.000 units in the USA, Knack has 150.000 to 200.000 units. Same hardware install base.
Plus 500.000 for 3D World in Japan, but PS4 didn't launch here yet.
Germany Top100 2013: 3D World is at #69, Knack didn't chart. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96933308&postcount=25
etc.
I'm well aware of that article.
I'm also well aware of this one...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/20/us-nintendo-earnings-shares-idUSBREA0J00V20140120
...where analysts are issuing a "buy" rating based on the assumption that mobile is coming.
How long can Iwata play chicken with investors? This is going to get ugly.
Yes, no battery, no charger and resistive screen.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I agree. The app store has grown and ia growning far to fast for an new player like Nintendo to make siginficant amounts of money. They should of been doing the groundwork years ago.
That is not to say Mario title X wont sell a fuckton on mobile, but past that one off novelty factor, Nintendo would struggle.
This article is pretty good, I congratulate.
No they're not?
USA
Mario > 570,000
200,000 > Knack > 150,000
Japan
Mario - 485,022
Knack - 0
Calamari41
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You know, you could write essays and articles until the cows come home, but what it comes down to for Nintendo is this: if they want to continue making hardware, they need to actually act like they want to continue making hardware. Look at how the company acted in the NES and SNES days. They weren't content to just put out games, they wanted a straight-up monopoly on the hardware side of the industry. Look at how Sony is acting right now. They want to be the hardware kings. Hell, even the Wii was Nintendo desperately wanting to stay relevant in the hardware space.
Throwing the Wii U out with no major games for over nine months is not "wanting it." Refusing to advertise the system is not "wanting it." There's no doubt that Nintendo could have, in an alternate reality, released the PS4. They just seemingly don't want to.
Throwing the Wii U out with no major games for over nine months is not "wanting it." Refusing to advertise the system is not "wanting it." There's no doubt that Nintendo could have, in an alternate reality, released the PS4. They just seemingly don't want to.
Investors are just in it for a quick buck. The moment any company starts changing policies solely to please the investors is the moment the company ends.
H_Prestige
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My mistake.
But total sales are just over 1 million. With the Wii U tanking so hard right now, the game isn't going to have any legs. Other 3D marios sold around 9 million I think. This is going to be a huge drop off.
Surely Mario can do way better than 1 million LTD on ps4/xb1? LBP sold around 4 million IIRC, so there is definitely a market for non-shooter games out there.
We shall see.
ultratruman
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It's not that simple. If Nintendo moves anything near smartphones tablets and apps, they are done as a the company we have known and loved all these years. Their only hope, to preserve their rich IP would be to sell to Disney. One could argue Nintendo is the Pixar of the gaming world. Disney would respect the IP as they have similar demographic reach. This is their only hope right now. I do not want to see a Zelda on XBox. I think I would quit gaming at that point.
One could only imaginine what this upcoming conference will be like, the pressure Iwata must be under right now.
One could only imaginine what this upcoming conference will be like, the pressure Iwata must be under right now.
No, that's a pretty big assumption to make.
For instance, Rayman Legends in the US has sold better on Wii U than PS3 and 360 combined.
Mysterious
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Although I never tend to agree with you, I must agree with you here. Investors also want Apple to divest their ~$150B back to them as dividends and stock buy backs, and we all know this is not going to happen. There was also that controversy with Michael Dell and Carl Icahn (an investor) over ownership of Dell.
However, investors also reorganized the corporate structure of AIG and ousted Jerry Yang (co-founder of Yahoo) from his post as CEO.
So it could go both ways, but I'm leaning more towards you.
For reference, the largest three shareholders of Nintendo (excluding corporate treasury) are the Yamauchi family, JP Morgan and Chase and State Street.
gamergirly
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Whatever they end up doing, Nintendo can't afford another 10 months of one AAA title. A wide range and quantity of software will determine how well their products sell. It was Wii Play that got Wii started not the hardware independently
I also continue to believe that Nintendo games on Sony or Microsoft systems will turn them into Sega. Imagine "The Legend of Ganondorf 3: Gerudo Thieves" or "Rosalina's Highway of Stars"
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