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Nintendo shares plunge 6% by Monday close after trading as low as -18%
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The best thing for the industry would be that Nintendo figures out how to recover. Not sure why anyone would want stuff like this.
Hell the impact of Sega leaving the console business is still felt today. Never mind the fall of one of the biggest video game companies of all time. Every failure made by a pubslisher or developer is felt through the industry. More failures equal less risks and less variety in the industry. Nintendo collapsing would be one massive, massive failure
Mockingbird
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My money!
Nintendo should just pawn off their old and/or 5fth-tier IPs.
If they sell Ice Climbers, StarTropics, Star Fox, F-Zero, FlingSmash, Duck Hunt, Clu Clu Land, Animal Crossing, Metroid, Mother, Ice Hockey, Hogan's Alley, Odama, Batallion Wars, and Famicon Detective Club then i'm pretty sure they'd have more than enough to last another 15-20 years.
If they sell Ice Climbers, StarTropics, Star Fox, F-Zero, FlingSmash, Duck Hunt, Clu Clu Land, Animal Crossing, Metroid, Mother, Ice Hockey, Hogan's Alley, Odama, Batallion Wars, and Famicon Detective Club then i'm pretty sure they'd have more than enough to last another 15-20 years.
No. Wait until you see an upward trend starting. You won't get them at rock bottom but you won't immediately lose should they keep going down.
StreetsAhead
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Is it sad that it took Iwata longer than some, to figure out his company was heading in to a mess of trouble?
BinaryPork2737
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Calling dibs on F-Zero.
I was referring to the scenario where they had no console and just made games for mobile. If they were to find success making games on mobile they wouldn't necessarily have to support or even compete directly with the other consoles.
Will never happen
LumpOfCole
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2015: Nintendo gets bought by Microsoft
2016: Microsoft releases Kinect III bundled with 'Dance With Yoshi'
2017: Windows 9.1 releases, with exclusive access to the new Nintendo Online Game Shop, letting you buy classics like the Legend of Zelda for $12.99 that cross play with your PC and Windows Phone.
2018: Super Mario Bros Online comes out for Xbox One, requiring Kinect III.
2016: Microsoft releases Kinect III bundled with 'Dance With Yoshi'
2017: Windows 9.1 releases, with exclusive access to the new Nintendo Online Game Shop, letting you buy classics like the Legend of Zelda for $12.99 that cross play with your PC and Windows Phone.
2018: Super Mario Bros Online comes out for Xbox One, requiring Kinect III.
The Grim Heaper
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It takes years to develop software, 2-3 years for most "AAA" titles, if not more. "Panic mode" isn't going to result in great software now or in the immediate future. Anything good that comes out this year is due to planning that occurred in 2010, give or take a year.
Well, initially Sega did have quite a few things go exclusive. Mostly to Xbox, but GameCube was the first to get Sonic, and PS2 got Virtua Fighter.'
Since a lot of that wasn't a particularly good idea, I would think it would be best if Nintendo put their games on both PS4 and Xbox One.
I'm looking forward to changes as well. I'm a huge Nintendo fanboy... as much as I am a Sega one.
I really hope, like many people state, they get rid of their casual market because that is gone. They should focus on core games. X and Smash Bros are a great start but they need to keep the ball rolling.
There are more than enough platforming games out too so they really should also focus less on those... after Donkey Kong is released.
I really hope, like many people state, they get rid of their casual market because that is gone. They should focus on core games. X and Smash Bros are a great start but they need to keep the ball rolling.
There are more than enough platforming games out too so they really should also focus less on those... after Donkey Kong is released.
GHG
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About 85 Euros at its lowest point over the last 24 hours.
They should sell F-Zero to EA! Just $5 per F-Zero machine or $50 for all the machines they'll release this year. Don't forget $2 to change the color of yours and $1.50 for a special one-time use turbo booster. But wait, you can also buy generic decals for your machine at $0.75 a pop.
Yep. And since Iwata has no plans to step down and we are stuck with the leadership we have now, it's going to be Iwata and his people deciding the future of Nintendo for the next 5 years. Whatever Nintendo's plans are for their next hardware, is going to be decided by them as well.
Are we going to see the company locked into another mess like the Wii U?
nintendo's probably not going to support other consoles as long as they have a handheld line that sells.
CoffeeJanitor
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I'm kind of tired of writing over and over about how they screwed up. It's put up or shut up time. I really do hope they can survive this, modernize and thrive.
MrCookiepants
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lol @ AC being a 5th tier franchise. You know the recent 3DS one sold 4 million in Japan alone?
DAREALGUMMY
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Yeah, I agree. I was just responding to the hypothetical scenario of if Nintendo did decide to support other consoles.
BinaryPork2737
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If they sell F-Zero to anyone, they should just give it to Platinum. Platinum character action game starring Captain Falcon.
Fuck it, give everything to Platinum. Platinum should make their own console.
7DollarHagane
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Investors still demanding that short term fix of mobile. Who gives a shit. They aren't going to do it because it doesn't make sense outside of being a marketing tool for their own products.
Nintendo would rather try to hit a home run like the Wii again than settle for a line drive single. Even if it means failure I don't think they have ever or will ever take the easy, expected route for their business direction.
Nintendo would rather try to hit a home run like the Wii again than settle for a line drive single. Even if it means failure I don't think they have ever or will ever take the easy, expected route for their business direction.
I'm hoping for announcements. Maybe Wii U ambassador program or something. Give me something, Nintendo.
Aquamarine
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Reuters hit the nail on the head in regards to the reason for the freefall.
The third straight year of operating losses is huge. Three years and no profits in their core business is the most frustrating aspect of Nintendo's underperformance.
Just Dance was still one of the best selling games of the year. That audience isn't completely gone. I don't think Nintendo should completely give up on them. If Ubisoft can manage to please both audiences, Nintendo should be able to as well.
Publishers need to find variety. Safe successes like Just Dance can lead to better budgets for games focused on the core gamer. All publishers need to find a healthy variety in their catalogue. I agree on Nintendo focusing too much on the platformer however.
Yeah. I remember seeing people talking about how mobile was hurting 3DS and that it would inevitably continue to do so... in 2011. Two years later they figure it out.
We all thought the Wii U might flop after the first E3, then at the second we were convinced. (Go back and read that E3 conference thread, the anger and confusion are incredible)
And through it all, there has been a basic lack of competence in software planning, expansion and basic network infrastructure - the simple stuff that they should be able to nail without issue.
Iwata has been a disaster for a while. That said, software quality has been sky high under him so for selfish reasons I almost hope he stays.
GHG
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If the share price continues to fall as it is today he will be forced out on the 30th.
They can't afford to keep losing money like they are at the moment.
They've lost $2.3 billion in market cap since July 2011.
Poimandres
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Panic mode Nintendo is overrated. What does that get you besides rushed games?
I see big changes coming, but probably not the kind of thing many people here will love.
You're probably going to be disappointed unless the game is already far enough to development to be coming out this year or something.
vaporware like smtxfe
Fair point. However:
Groundwork has been laid for these IPs: Is the original talent absolutely necessary? Mario Galaxy 3 in 1080p and 60fps on Playstation 4 would be a game-of-the-year candidate. Sony has a large stable of talented developers - they will find a way to get it done, even if EAD legacy employees betray Nintendo and leave for other companies. What matters is that there is already a solid foundation to build upon for any newcomers who swoop in to continue the franchise.
Nintendo still in control: Remember that Nintendo is only opting out of the console business. They will still be in the software business, retaining full control of their IPs and development studios. I concede that engineers may jump ship to IBM. But why would someone on the software side like Aonuma for example, jump ship to Capcom or Ubisoft, when he can remain with Nintendo, and be the head honcho of the Zelda franchise until the day he dies? Aonuma doesn't care about the console, he doesn't care about what's manufactured in a physical sense. He cares about S-O-F-T-W-A-R-E! He's an artist, not an engineer.
Back-catalogue: Even if software talent defects, and even if Microsoft and Sony cannot find suitable talent to replace any devs foolishly looking for greener pastures (and there is no greener pasture than a Nintendo development studio), these companies can still profit greatly from back-catalogue titles. Super Mario 64 in 1080p 60fps and a platinum trophy... that will convert into a hefty profit. Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons on Windows Phone 8 with achievements... again, a hefty profit, at minimal effort.
The hilarious thing is that there are actually worse scenarios in play here. Hard to believe, but true.
Mexen
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Good time to invest in them.
I think Nintendo will bounce back but they will have to compromise to do so.
A few flag-ship titles should be licensed. More systems means more people playing games means more money. They should risk mobile while injecting some resources in never-seen-before IPs with modern graphics to truly compete against Sony and Microsoft. That should help alleviate stakeholders' fears while catering to a new audience who want more than Mario games.
It's funny how the Wii crowd doesn't seem to have gone U. If Nintendo is to retain that casual audience, then maybe they should focus on mobile and the gimmicky casual games that made the Wii a success.
Regardless of that, Nintendo will always pump out Zelda and Mario games anyway.
I think Nintendo will bounce back but they will have to compromise to do so.
A few flag-ship titles should be licensed. More systems means more people playing games means more money. They should risk mobile while injecting some resources in never-seen-before IPs with modern graphics to truly compete against Sony and Microsoft. That should help alleviate stakeholders' fears while catering to a new audience who want more than Mario games.
It's funny how the Wii crowd doesn't seem to have gone U. If Nintendo is to retain that casual audience, then maybe they should focus on mobile and the gimmicky casual games that made the Wii a success.
Regardless of that, Nintendo will always pump out Zelda and Mario games anyway.
This is the opposite of what they will do. They will follow their market (kids and casuals) to where they are. Which is mobile, or hopefully simply a cheaper handheld and much simpler software at much cheaper prices.
I would take that. Hell, give every N64 game to 4J studios and have them develop a HD version.
I would wait.
I don't think you'll see Nintendo games coming to smartphones any time soon, but I think you'll see apps. Apps that are like little social "companions" to their actual games. Apps that somehow connect to data from a 3DS game, and act as little social "beacons" to get other people to buy the 3DS game.
For example, some kind of pokemon app on a smartphone that pulls data from your file in Pokemon. Anyone can download the app and see what their friends are doing, but you only really reap the benefits if you have the game.
Is this a good idea? Will it actually work as a marketing scheme aimed at smartphone audiences? I have no idea, and honestly, probably not.
For example, some kind of pokemon app on a smartphone that pulls data from your file in Pokemon. Anyone can download the app and see what their friends are doing, but you only really reap the benefits if you have the game.
Is this a good idea? Will it actually work as a marketing scheme aimed at smartphone audiences? I have no idea, and honestly, probably not.
I dunno if thats the worse senario; atleast all the games be under one roof. My god help us all if Microsoft was to wield so much power (because of what they tried doing before the 180).
GHG
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The issue right now is that Ninendo don't have the luxury of time anymore. They've had 3 years to try and sort this out and have only just now come out and admitted something is wrong. That is too late.
Now that the share price is plummeting Ninendo need to do something quickly (even if it is a short term measure) to stabilise their stock. If not they run the risk of being very vulnerable to a buyout, in which situation they would lose control of their business and any long term plan/vision that they may have had goes out the window. The most important thing to do is stabilise now, plug the leak and then start thinking more long term.
Well if he doesn't step down and doesn't start implememting some changes he's going to take the company down with him.
Fair
Personally, I'd like to hear about an integrated account system not tied to hardware.
A large percentage of stock still belongs to the Yamauchi family. approx 10%. More is held by longtime Nintendo employees. This insulates Nintendo somewhat from having their stocks bought out.
Beyond that, the Japanese government and corporate culture in general is very protectionist when it comes to hostile takeovers. That is, they usually don't allow them.
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