Your Opinion doesnt mean that Legally they are a direct competitor like some people here dismiss but
Its not even about computing power, one is mainly a home console the other is a handheld. Handhelds sell better because many family households will have multiple handhelds (of the same platform) versus 1 home console (of the same platform). In my household for example, we have 2 DS's, 3 3DS's, 3 Switches (original + 2 lights), one PS4, one PS5 and one XBox Series S, and several friends of mine are in a similar situation.
Yet you're the one jumping through hoops, bending over backwards and splitting hairs to discredit Nintendo sales.Thank you for providing another example, like clockwork.
If the Switch surpasses the PS2 is going to be a lot of fun here… oh yeah. Is going to be a mental gymnastics masterclass here. Can’t wait, this forum needs fuel.Thank you for providing another example, like clockwork.
I still remember the Switch reveal thread… I have a few post there, i am part of the history (In the right side) 
Really wish that thread was still opened. lolIf the Switch surpasses the PS2 is going to be a lot of fun here… oh yeah. Is going to be a mental gymnastics masterclass here. Can’t wait, this forum needs fuel.
I use my Switch as home console only… Whats happen then… I am using it wrong or something? What happens to the PS2 that where used only as a DVD players? That’s sales doesn’t count as consoles?
They are not. The main business of both is to sell games (1st+3rd party) games for their consoles. One being successful doesn't hurt the other one, because their offerings and top selling games are different enough to be more a complement than competition.
but this is a Japan sale thread.
Agree, i think they are kind of in healthy position. And hopefully the translated games will be added more and more.
When you look at those numbers, yeah, Sony is no competitor of Nintendo’s.
Did I say it doesn't count? did I say anything that is controversial? All I said was my household (and several people I know) have multiple Switch consoles, one for each kid, and they play them in their rooms, outside, wherever, whereas the main home consoles (PS5 and XBox) we have one that's shared, that dont move (oh look, a use case for the Portal), I'm pretty certain that's not uncommon. I even footnoted my comment that its impressive sales.
No? VR market is very small for Sony and PS Portal is only a streaming device as far as I’m concerned, so also very small. No comparison to Nintendos home console and handheld market.
So the way i see it is, they are a business, who has being in the gaming industry the longest and their main source of revenue is video games. They took a smart decision to merge their handheld and home console devs to create the switch. Why should their effect being dismissed cos it doesn't fit other peoples narrative.
I’m very glad you used the car analogy.
Even considering past Nintendo gens which had TV console line and handheld console line separated most often than not the combined HW sales in the generation were lower than what NSW has sold until 2023.
Except in your case, the Lamborghini would be a PC, not a freakin' PS5. A Switch is $300 and a PS5 is $400-500. A buyer will consider their options between them because they aren't far apart in price. Someone building a $3500 rig wouldn't give a shit about the price of a PS5, just like someone buying a $200K car wouldn't care about a $30K Toyota.
Japan will end up being the second biggest market for PS5.
Then replace Lamborghini with Tesla if it bothers you.
Two of those are accessories. It's not at all the same.
Under the software library argument the GameCube wasn't a direct competitor to Xbox, neither was N64 to PS1, Wii to 360, Wii U to PS4 or 3DS to Vita.
As we've discussed in A previous thread, Switch's and PS4's software sales will br broadly similar after 7 years,so it's not "way more"
Lamborghinis are much more niche than the other two, not mass market. A Lamborghini is more likely a ROG Ally while Jeep/Toyota are Sony and Nintendo.
At those price points, there certainly is direct competition. As the poster you quoted said, someone buying a Toyota is very likely a potential customer Tesla lost. That person would have never bought a Lamborghini.
Most middle class and under consider Tesla on the luxury side, and for good reason. When most people buy one they need the space to have a charger for it, and the upkeep on it is different compared to regular cars.
I was hesitating between an Altima and a Tesla and I went with the Altima so yes, it is absolutely on their radar lol. Then consider the fact that a lot of governments subsidize the purchase of electric vehicles (mine gives up to $8000) and that charging them is a lot cheaper than paying for gas. In the long run, electric vehicles can actually come out cheaper than gas ones.
I would say that tradition doesn't play into it to much. To give some examples:
Here’s an easier one for you: Do you consider motorcycles and cars to be targeting the same markets?
That's enough out of you and your ludicrous analogies. The Switch is a hybrid console with plug-and-play capabilities selling for $300. The PS5 is a home console selling for $400-500. Are they rivals like the SX and PS5? No, but you're out to lunch if you seriously think the 140M Switch sold didn't take a lot of customers from Sony.
With the sales of this quarter the sales of Switch are 1200M.
That sounds a tap out to me.
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Exactly Japan likes the portables.
With how utterly stupid it was, yes.That was fun reading those car analogy mental gymnastics.
There are more differentiating factors then just software although with playstation and switch that's a huge factor.
The PS4 number is missing 2.5 years of total sales, and we would expect each of those years individually to be lower than 234m as software sales grow over time.
When you have no rebuttals, post laughing emojis and gifs. That's usual what gaffers who get destroyed do lol.
I would say that is a seperate matter. WII U was still competing with the PS4, even though the PS4 was far far more successful.PlayStation is absolutely no competition to Nintendo.
There were plenty of differences between the 3DS and the Vita, including power levels, software library and features.
You didn't even answer the question. You kept saying 'but no, this car doesn't count because' and 'but no, this company doesn't count because'. It's a song and dance a lot of people here do. How am I supposed to respond to someone who won't reply in earnest and keeps dodging a question?
I replied very earnestly to your question and told you verbatim that while they're not rivals like the PS5 and SX, the 140M units sold of the Switch still took a sizeable chunk of potential customers from Sony. How can it get clearer? You're trying to suggest that they compete in totally different markets and that's patently false.
Because they do. They appeal to different people.
There are many games you could play on PS2 and not GameCube, or on 3DS but not Vita.
So did most consoles for the vast majority of history until now. The Genesis/Mega Drive and SNES had massively different libraries, yet they were direct competitors. Wasn't the GC directly competing with the PS2 and Xbox? What about the PS1 and N64? When did having a different library suddenly meant you're not competing in the same market? I must have missed that memo.
Because you're blatantly wrong. Most people don't give a shit about those market segments you're alluding to. Most people are casual gamers who just want to enjoy fun games. You cannot dedicate every waking hours of your life to gaming. What are you going to play? Super Mario or Spider-Man 2? Only 53% of American households own a gaming system, which means damn near half don't. The majority only own a single console which means that people will only choose one of the three to take home, not both a PS5 and a Switch.
The difference between the Switch and PS5 is like the difference between the Vita and PS4.
No, not until now. This separation slowed down during the PS2 generation and only sped back up because the Wii was a slightly better gamecube in specs, which offset it against the PS3/360 games. That's why people always made the separation of both. One one side, you have PS and Xbox, the other side you have Nintendo. Regardless of who is winning or losing the sales fight, this separation has existed for 3 entire generations now.
Yes, and Nintendo themselves are the one carrying the 'fun game' market on their platform. That is worrying because there are fun games on stronger systems that Switch owners don't have access to. I mean for crying out loud the switch is being thrown scraps by the larger publishers. They are literally struggling to meet the standards of the AAA industry. A lot of the newer announcements lately are either saying 'maybe switch later' or 'streaming on switch' or simply 'no switch'.
Yes, you're right here! And those console owners buy the system they want depending on multiple factors of where they are in life and what they want out of the system. Which was part of my original point and the car analogy.
It's all part of the same market.
