The pipeline will be a step forward in energy independence. Like it or not, oil will be a staple of energy for a good time to come. Getting more crude oil domestically will be a step towards energy independence, removing our reliance on crude oil from foreign countries that support terrorist regimes.
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North Dakota Governor Orders Standing Rock evacuation
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The pipeline will be a step forward in energy independence. Like it or not, oil will be a staple of energy for a good time to come. Getting more crude oil domestically will be a step towards energy independence, removing our reliance on crude oil from foreign countries that support terrorist regimes.
Saucycarpdog
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I wonder if the tribe could think about legal action concerning the 1851 treaty.
This article does a good job of explaining how the tribe does have a legitimate case.
http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_e9bd6a47-e14e-507e-bb0a-8ee29eb30c9e.html
This article does a good job of explaining how the tribe does have a legitimate case.
http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/s...cle_e9bd6a47-e14e-507e-bb0a-8ee29eb30c9e.html
Fine Ham Abounds
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Isn't the point of taking issue with this routing though the more severe contamination that would result from an accident using this method rather than the simple statistical likelihood of an accident?
I guarantee that poster doesn't give a shit about black people or the civil rights movement.
That "How dare you compare ___ to the civil rights movement" nonsense is often used as a silencing tactic by people who don't care about either of the two things.
Ziltoidia 9
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Sounds like they want them to leave so they can do the project before snow is all over the place.
Morrigan Stark
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timetokill
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People are bizarrely trying to defend him by suggesting that the only reason he won't do anything is because Trump will undo it
Like this all happened only after Trump got elected, and not all while Hillary was the presumptive president
Or like I guess ANYTHING Obama does these days
I know it feels good to stand against generalizations and to be #woke by not discounting minority populations, but Bismarck is more than 90% white. It's ok to round up sometimes.
Maybe educate yourself. The police claimed that because they found a small punctured propane tank that is used in camping, that protesters must have been constructing IEDs. Propane tanks don't explode if punctured and that much propane would do jackshit to anyone. Not to mention the fact that if bombs were being made instead of it just being a feeble deflection there'd be a serious investigation.
How do people stay this uninformed? Wilful ignorance?
kame-sennin
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You didn't answer my question.
Willful ignorance. They addressed him directly on the claim about it being a propane tank and he strafed away from the conversation as a whole directly into "Well you should do what you are told and you wouldnt end up hurt".
Its all complete horseshit.
The Maverick
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This thread and the general lack of empathy for what the protesters and natives are going through is beyond sad. After all the donations and support, I know corporate interests will still win at the end of the day. And not enough people care.
PenguinPoacher
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I love when people say get educated without being informed themselves, if you honestly have no idea what a propane bomb is, Google it. Not hard to make. I honestly have no idea if that's what it was but neither does anyone else because there is no evidence for either side. I support this pipeline for the jobs it will add/keep in ND. You all apparently have a better view of the scenario then someone who lives 20 miles from what is happening, seen the camp/protests, and reads/hears what's happening daily. Pipeline will be built and that's a fact. Thinking it won't be is "willful ignorance".
You've been saying there's no risk of a spill, that trucks and trains are more dangerous than pipelines, that this has nothing to do with native americans, that any criticism of how protesters have been treated is propaganda...
it's abundantly clear that being close to what is happening gives you no authority to talk about what's actually happening.
You either deliberately twisted the hell out of that or missed all the points.
1. He isn't arguing propane bombs don't exist. It's also not about whether or not he even knows what it is. The argument is that a) it's a huge leap to go from finding a single small punctured propane tank to assuming protesters are making bombs and b) if they honestly thought there were bombs, why isn't a huge investigation looking into the potential terror threat they pose? A lack of firm hard evidence on either side doesn't mean both accusations are equally likely. The Police have proven themselves to be untrustworthy keepers of the narrative there, especially when it comes to what they do to protesters.
2. You live nearby. OK. There are other people in this thread that also live nearby and are personally impacted. Additionally, with the wealth of information available online, it IS possible for someone online to stay more informed on a situation than someone else. Physical proximity doesn't make your arguments any better or others worse. Address arguments; not the circumstances of the people making them.
3) The consensus in this thread is that the pipeline will be built. That doesn't mean people still won't fight for the protesters or their cause. There's a difference between arguing against an outcome and believing your side will win. This isn't willful ignorance.
ElectricThunder
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With supreme ease----this entire thing could've been quashed long before so much as a single injury was sustained by anybody, but no, can't rock those industry boats even so many months before Trump was a thing. He has no substantive words for the protesters in this case, or any other in his admin, beyond calming down to toe the line and appeals to a spirit of false bipartisanship/cooperation with those whom would sooner oppress folks---The Right Thing to Say in terms of being that Cool Authoritative Obama as 1st Black President Optics, as we can't have the deeper Status Quo upset now can we? He just wants to coast out on his accomplishment(s) and keep on propping up that Decorum of Office like something out of Weekend at Bernie's despite literal profound suffering despite that cavalier attitude landing Trump at the doorstep soon enough.
The Great Myth of Obama as a holy scourge upon the Fossil Fuel Industry on the whole is as insane and groundless as the same damnable fable propped up versus the Arms Industry and general MIC/PIC.
As said in the last thread, by virtue of folks leaping out of nowhere to defend this with incredulous fervor along similar stretched lines, well, it can't be said it isn't getting some attention at last vs consignment to oblivion outright---but my wells of optimism only run drier still with each escalation gone unanswered by the state and fed authorities...
Frozenprince
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Yeeeeeep. Natives have been getting shat on since white people found out that brown people lived here first. It's easy to just try and oppression Olympics them into silence.
No evidence bombs were used = "maybe bombs were used"?
Things are untrue by default. Saying there was no evidence that there wasn't a terroristic plot to use explosives against police officers is the same as saying there were no bombs, period.
Only someone desperate to continue hating a group of people would even entertain such tortured reasoning.
Well not really considering this same company has had over 800 spills in the last 15 years along with this baby: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_River_oil_spill
Tanker trucks carry a max of 12k gallons of oil per load. That pipeline spill dumped 1-2 million.
Right. And isn't one of the problems with a pipeline spill that the damage causes greater damage by virtue of being in the earth? Where a truck spill could be more dangerous locally to human lives but would be easier to clean due to superifical damage? I find this to be a big risk.
Count Dookkake
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Want to go with a group of veterans to "absorb violence," but I'm not sure I'll be able to make rent if I do so. Conflicted.
Cow Mengde
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She had one. That doesn't mean she's actually going to do anything.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brie...lding-a-brighter-future-for-native-americans/
Captin Quacker
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Saucycarpdog
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Bit of an update.
Audio shows the Standing Rock Tribe did in fact voice concerns over the pipeline back in 2014, even though the CEO of the company said that the Tribe never engaged with them until it was too late.
Audio shows the Standing Rock Tribe did in fact voice concerns over the pipeline back in 2014, even though the CEO of the company said that the Tribe never engaged with them until it was too late.
ND governor wants to meet with Standing Rock council to resolve protests, restore relationship
DragonKnight
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What can I do to help protest this?
theignoramus
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I hope this means a substantive talk is on the menu. But too often this means, "lets figure out a way we can proceed with our original plans without you people making us look bad"
Finally proof to those who keep saying 'well they should have said something sooner!'
Well, the September 2014 meeting is mentioned in the court documents so it was known. Its interesting to hear more details, particularly this piece:
"But tribal officials said the natural gas pipeline was installed about a decade before changes to a federal law gave tribes a voice in the process."
kame-sennin
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The Morton County Sheriff is upset that Native Americans are disrespecting the American flag:
https://www.facebook.com/MortonCountySD/videos/367164243635920/
The irony is apparently lost on him.
https://www.facebook.com/MortonCountySD/videos/367164243635920/
The irony is apparently lost on him.
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