StrikeNinja24
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And the Iran Deal?
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North Korea's Kim Jong-un crosses into South Korea (UPDATE: Korean War Declared Over; joint statement)
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And the Iran Deal?
Chairman Tickles
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The Iran deal involved giving Iran billions of dollars in return for Iran having its nuclear fuel overseen by Russia. That's no deal.
That said Iran has done nothing wrong. Israel should just back off, that includes the Israeli lobby in Washington.
There are murmurs of McDonalds being possible in North Korea. But Trump has not yet decided where the meeting will take place, there are 5 possible sites.
That said Iran has done nothing wrong. Israel should just back off, that includes the Israeli lobby in Washington.
There are murmurs of McDonalds being possible in North Korea. But Trump has not yet decided where the meeting will take place, there are 5 possible sites.
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bucyou
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trolls gonna troll, a horrible deal where iran didnt even have to dismantle facilities or centrifuges, nor allow any inspectors into the country.
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TrainedRage
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Yeah, looks like there are some updates in this whole thing. I will have to read up on it before I could comment. Seems complicated.
dropkick!
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/952749/kim-jong-un-north-korea-mcdonalds-donald-trump-usa
I can imagine this happened:
Trump: What can I give you to stop your nuclear arms program?
Kim: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Trump: Deal
I can imagine this happened:
Trump: What can I give you to stop your nuclear arms program?
Kim: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Trump: Deal
lighten up people
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Do you even know why he was given the Nobel Peace Prize?
That's not correct at all!
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics/trump-iran-typo/index.html
So again the Iran deal hasn't fallen apart. And are we going to act like the whole Cuba thing didn't happen also right?
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dolabla
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/2/north-korea-releases-us-detainees-bows-another-tru/
North Korea has freed three U.S. citizens detained for years in the communist country, bowing to another demand of President Trump ahead of his planned meeting with Kim Jong-un.
The three Americans — Kim Dong Chul, Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk, also known as Tony Kim — were released from a North Korean labor camp and sent to Pyongyang for medical treatment, the Financial Times reported.
Though out of the brutal labor camp, the men remain in the grasp of Mr. Kim’s regime.
They currently are believed to be convalescing in a hotel outside Pyongyang.
“We believe that Mr. Trump can take them back on the day of the U.S.-North Korea summit, or he can send an envoy to take them back to the U.S. before the summit,” said Choi Sung-ryong, an activist pursuing release of North Korea’s political prisoners.
The release of the three Americans marked another significant victory for the Trump administration, which also won North Korea’s agreement to discuss giving up its nuclear weapon program as a prerequisite for the talks.
National Security Adviser John R. Bolton had called for the release of the detainees, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reportedly raised the issue during secret face-to-face talks with Mr. Kim last month in Pyongyang.
Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk worked at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology. Kim Dong Chul is the president of a company involved in international trade and hotel services. He was sentenced to 10 years on espionage charges.
North Korea has freed three U.S. citizens detained for years in the communist country, bowing to another demand of President Trump ahead of his planned meeting with Kim Jong-un.
The three Americans — Kim Dong Chul, Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk, also known as Tony Kim — were released from a North Korean labor camp and sent to Pyongyang for medical treatment, the Financial Times reported.
Though out of the brutal labor camp, the men remain in the grasp of Mr. Kim’s regime.
They currently are believed to be convalescing in a hotel outside Pyongyang.
“We believe that Mr. Trump can take them back on the day of the U.S.-North Korea summit, or he can send an envoy to take them back to the U.S. before the summit,” said Choi Sung-ryong, an activist pursuing release of North Korea’s political prisoners.
The release of the three Americans marked another significant victory for the Trump administration, which also won North Korea’s agreement to discuss giving up its nuclear weapon program as a prerequisite for the talks.
National Security Adviser John R. Bolton had called for the release of the detainees, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reportedly raised the issue during secret face-to-face talks with Mr. Kim last month in Pyongyang.
Kim Hak-song and Kim Sang Duk worked at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology. Kim Dong Chul is the president of a company involved in international trade and hotel services. He was sentenced to 10 years on espionage charges.
Trump has done more for world peace in 15 months than the last two did over 16 years. And he has made a fool of the elites every step of the way. My condolences to all the naysayers. It must be really hard to realize how frikkan stupid they have been with respect to foreign affairs. Can’t even imagine spending years smelling my farts while believing that strong condemnations and strategically patient talks (or no talks at all) would make a tyrant change his ways, only to learn that to really get things done you just need balls. As is the balls to say fine, if you want to go this route we will destroy you, but if you cut the shit we can help you join the 21st centuries economy.
bucyou
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-starts-pulling-cables-from-tunnels-at-nuclear-test-site/
MOVING AT BREAKNECK PACE!
This is just incredible. Absolutely incredible. First the 3 Americans, and now this.
Breakneck pace indeed. I mean it sounded great when we all started hearing about this, and I was hopefully but what's happening now is just shocking.
My question is this;
Is what's happening right now a complete indictment on at least the last 4 presidents foreign policies in dealing with N. Korea?
I mean I knew something was going to give when an American president truly flexed the sheer economic and military might but this kind of capitulation is unreal.
This is almost a surrender of sorts. The only thing missing so far is a 4 star general, a navy ship, and a pen.
Holy shit indeed. I spend a few minutes in a different thread after my last post in this, and there’s already a new positive development.
To answer your question, damn right it’s an indictment on the prior administrations. Also an indictment of a hell of a lot more people than that. Including without limitation the know it alls who piss on common sense every chance they have to try showing us how much smarter they are than everyone else. Trumps strategy is not revolutionary. It’s pure common sense.
Vicetrailia
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/politics/donald-trump-korea/index.html
That's actually a good article from CNN that counters some of my points...
That's actually a good article from CNN that counters some of my points...
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cryptoadam
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I think its on Un and Moon. You have 2 leaders that want to move forward and end the Korean war.
Trump should get some credit being the president of the US and nothing will happen in the Korean peninsula without US oversight.
I think Un realisez there isn't a place in the world for his father/grandfathers outdated philosphies. He also sees that he can be a tyrant, a rich one, but still bring his country into the global arena. Look at China. It is a horrible tyranical regime that controls the lives of its people and spy's on them intensly. But they moved the economy forward and gave the people small freedoms. No one bothers China about its human rights record. Heck even leftist praise China.
Un can make a mini china, where like Xi he can be president for life. Control his peoples lives and spy on them 24/7. Just move the economy forward and build a middle class and no one will really care that Un is dictator for life.
Yesterday or today the NK and SK ping pong teams declined to play each other in semi finals, and instead asked to play together in the finals. Might seem trivial, but to me its more evidence that the people of NK and its leaders (who must have approved this) want peace to happen.
infinitys_7th
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Because he gave lip service to peace while droning wedding parties?
Vicetrailia
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Trump is using drones, so I guess he can't get it then. Trumps contribution I think are the increased sanctions and making China think that he'd actually go into war, thus cooperating. NK's response was to create a nuke no matter what, apparently.
TheShadowLord
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in case if anyone was wondering....
Cleared_Hot
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Sounds like you're imagining a whole lot. It wasnt until just very recently that Un suddenly wants to end the war, etc. He was threatening total destruction and death left and right up until just a matter of weeks ago. You come off as a person very uncomfortable saying something positive about Trump. If Moon himself says Trump derserve credit and the peace prize, you can't say he only deserves "some" credit. This 100% would not be happening if he wasn't involved. You literally think the only reason he deserves credit is simply because he is the US President... come on man, lighten up, read what they're saying, connect the dots.
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LordOfChaos
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Ok interesting. I had read that denuclearization was not yet mentioned in state propaganda and currently the summit was being said to be a way to cement their status as a nuclear power, but it appears that was wrong or outdated.
octiny
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North Korea says denuclearization pledge not result of U.S.-led sanctions
"North Korea said on Sunday its intention to denuclearize, unveiled at a historic inter-Korean summit, was not the result of U.S.-led sanctions and pressure, warning the United States not to mislead public opinion."
"North Korea said on Sunday its intention to denuclearize, unveiled at a historic inter-Korean summit, was not the result of U.S.-led sanctions and pressure, warning the United States not to mislead public opinion."
LordOfChaos
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I was on the fence before, but if North Korean propaganda is saying it wasn't a result of the pressure...Now I think it definitely was.
Look at how wide the news of that message already went, me thinks they're trying to play a domestic US audience. This coming from a very not-Trumper.
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bucyou
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Vicetrailia
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Bragaddacio didn't do anything because they wanted the nukes no matter what, but pressuring China to add sanctions and etc hurt them bigly. They gave up nukes as soon as they got them.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korea-says-u-s-ruining-mood-detente-ahead-summit-n871696
"Pyongyang on Sunday criticized what it called “misleading” claims that Trump’s policy of maximum political pressure and sanctions are what drove the North to the negotiating table."
But, Im sure some people here will spin this in Trump's favor.
"Pyongyang on Sunday criticized what it called “misleading” claims that Trump’s policy of maximum political pressure and sanctions are what drove the North to the negotiating table."
But, Im sure some people here will spin this in Trump's favor.
Vicetrailia
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cryptoadam
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I have no problem giving Trump credit. I give him also big credit for moving the embassy and stopping funding to UNWRA. And BTW I am not American so where I stand on Trump doesn't really matter. I think he has done some good and some bad but he isn't the monster the left makes him out to be.
I just think this is Un realizing he needs to bring his country into the 21st century and the -ism of his dad and grandfather isn't really relevant today. He can still be a crazy dictator AND bring his country into the global economy. In reality the US is never going to invade North Korea with the cold war over. They don't care about communist governments anymore. Its all about being pro-west and pro-business.
pramod
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rth-korea-s-kim-for-second-time-in-two-months
Kim stating he "doesn't need nuclear weapons". Ooh boy. I wonder how CNN will spin this.
Kim stating he "doesn't need nuclear weapons". Ooh boy. I wonder how CNN will spin this.
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Whataborman
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This spin has always been, and always will be that anyone and everyone but President Trump is responsible.
North Korea, South Korea, and China could all come out with lavish praise for the President and personally thank him for making this deal happen and CNN will figure out a way to give someone else credit.
Airola
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When South Korea thanks Trump, it's "they are lying and just trying to please Trump's ego."
When North Korea doesn't thank Trump, it's "they're telling the truth."
EverydayBeast
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Nobel P
Nobel peace prize juice
Vicetrailia
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When South Korea thanks Trump, it's "they are telling the truth that he deserves credit". When North Korea doesn't thank Trump, it's "we're gonna ignore this shit and rant about the lefts double standards."
A dog barks.
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bigedole
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If you had to pick between SK and NK for who to trust/believe, who would you pick?
Like, seriously....
Do you mean the South Korea that just a year ago saw the arrest of the President of South Korea, the President's best friend that was the daughter of a cult leader and the head of Samsung for corruption, bribery and abuse of power?
No, Im sure you mean some other South Korea.
Airola
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So you are seriously lumping North and South Korea together in trustworthiness?
That's nowhere near the insanity North Korea has been in for decades. Just a year ago Kim Jong-un and the whole regime was seen as complete lunatics and Kim was nothing more than an evil tyrant. I guess it takes Trump to make people say "actually North Korea isn't that bad and untrustworthy because South Korea is bad too." That's how much people hate Trump. They are willing to go through series of mental hoops to make themselves continue believing that absolutely nothing good can come out of that guy and everything he does must come from evil place.
Vicetrailia
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You're going through mental hoops right now. If you believe South Korea, you must believe North Korea. But in reality credit doesn't matter, this situation is deeper than mere posturing.
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mckmas8808
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The sad part is I actually agree with NK on this one. It's clear that regime change in South Korea and getting China involved is the major reason why this is happening. But as Americans, we will take most of the credit for everything that happens on this planet if we have even 10% involvement.
I mean we even call our President the "Leader of the Free World" for christ sake. It's so annoying. :-/
Airola
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And if you believe North Korea, you must believe South Korea. That logic goes both ways. But the thing is that they both say conflicting things.
I'm not saying anyone should say it's solely because of Trump and the USA this happened. There are several sides responsible for it all: South Korea, North Korea, China and USA.
All I'm saying is that people are way too eager to dismiss claims by South Korea in favor of claims by North Korea.
The article says:
"Pyongyang claims Kim himself is the driver of the current situation."
Does anyone believe that is the case?
I do agree with them saying that bragging about the US influence is hurting the mood, though. There is a certain amount of new goodwill that has been raised and a nice mood of promising future, but talking about who had the most influence can hurt that mood really bad.
And of course Trump himself took it overboard by first being honest and respectful about it before suddenly hyperboling it up to high heavens in the same sentence.
I mean, it's ok to say "he gives us tremendous credit" as that is a fact, but Trump managed to continue that sentence with "he gives us all the credit" which is not true and that doesn't help things at all.
I agree. There is no reason to deny credit though. That doesn't help anything.
But yeah, we all should first and foremost be glad that progress is happening. Everything can still go south quickly and the future meeting with Trump and Kim is both exciting but also something to be nervous about.
Cleared_Hot
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Well said! I see what you mean.that being said, you can bet your ass we would go to war with them, I spent the last three years in PACAF training for it. It's not about communism, it was about stopping a major threat.
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cryptoadam
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I mean invade in the sense that NK uses it as a pretext for all their intransigence, nukes, and propaganda. If NK was a normal sane country the US would have no reason to even think about invading them. Of course if they start a nuclear war/attack Japan/SK the US will respond.
NK has been using the US boogeyman for decades to keep its people under its thumb, but its all BS and only exsist because of the leaders of NK. Their fear of US invasion is a self fulfilling prophecy. US will invade, only due to nukes, so NK develops nukes to stop US invasion. Talk about Orwellian train of thought from NK.
rokkerkory
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Have high hopes for june 12 panning out.