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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
So
Nintendo > MS > Sony in unit sales for December.
Nintendo > MS > Sony in unit sales for December.
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KingGhidorah
Banned
It's a surreal day when December NPD thread, the most important NPD of the year, does not get much attention
yeah thats right, the series s must have made some moves
VectorVictor
Member
Yup. But I wonder if it would have been ignored anyway considering how…reverent some of the Sony fans are on this board.
Regardless, great job by Nintendo and Microsoft. All three really, in spite of silicon shortages…
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The fact that MS beat Sony in unit sales but lost in total dollars means the Series S sold most of the Xbox units.
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series s you mean? I think it was probably the majority. I don't think we have the numbers to guess the percentages.
Deerock71
Member
That was my interpretation of it, too. Sounds like more of us green rat army types!
it did come out on December 8th, have a F2P section and was on GP, maybe thats a factor
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Series S killing it! It’s a beast.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol yes, the series s.
Deerock71
Member
They'll sell it on other systems, but they'll give it out like Skittles on Game Pass.
Fake
Member
IDK if Microsoft would waste an oportunity to make money over Playstation, but anw, Wow.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Probably my fault. I bought an oled switch in December.
Well it is a good deal, especially if you don't care about 4k
GigaBowser
going to stop by to admit you were wrong or just ghost this thread? Never mind saw you there without recognizing your earlier non senseOne other thing curious about last gen drop, did any xbones or ps4s sell or are they both done in the Us
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Lognor
Banned
No they won't. People thought the same about Elder Scrolls and Starfield and look at where we are at. If a single game in a franchise has sold over 30 million (Skyrim) and MS makes future games in the series exclusive to Xbox, there is no reason to expect them not to do the same with COD. I'm sorry, but in the near future if you want to play COD you'll need to buy an Xbox.
ByWatterson
Member
I was assured Vanguard flopped. Where do I go to refund that bullshit take?
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Leyasu
Banned
It came out on the 8th, has a ftp multi and is on gamepass...
Deerock71
Member
Could have still under performed given the gulf between typical call of duty and second place is as wide as an ocean, but it beat halo which isn't exactly small potatoes
Mozza
Member
Or people just need to stop buying that overpriced under powered Nintendo Switch, but seriously does the mass market not read all these internet forums.
Joking apart, the U.K was not too bead for either the PS5 or Xbox Series just before Christmas, managed to get a Series X.
SoloKingRobert
Banned
If Microsoft never acquired Activision Blizzard it'll be a success.. Neogafs logic...
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That bullshit take was actually some MS fans who were adamant their marketing partner Battlefield 2042 would outsell it.
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MrFunSocks
Banned
These threads used to be hundreds/thousands of posts long, with “BEAST!” being shouted in every other post, along with much gloating. What happened?
SLB1904
Banned
i see some of you in denial lol.
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Papacheeks
Banned
So Xbox series #2 for December but all of 2021 for #2 best selling console is PS5.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
Microsoft likes money, so they'll release COD in a way that maximizes their long term money, which is why it will only be on Xbox and PC once any contracts are up
Also on topic, gotta love how whenever Xbox beats Playstation in one of these things it's all crickets or people making excuses.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I'm sure people predicted a console storage years ago. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is clearly ignoring facts.
SLB1904
Banned
just like Minecraft lol Microsoft ain't taking cod off the bigger userbase they aren't stupid. no amount of game pass subscribers will make up for the loss of the sony userbase.
Topher
Gold Member
I remember posts saying console sales don't matter. What happened?
MrFunSocks
Banned
I assume you meant shortage? Also not sure why that matters. What facts are being ignored?
We know Sony can produce more consoles than MS, and we know that December is always the highest selling month of the year so they want their product on shelves then. People speculated for months that consoles were being held back for December. People also said repeatedly that no one was buying the Series S since it could be found in stock in some stores.
It’s just funny the difference in these threads when the results are Nintendo #1 and Xbox #2. I’ll probably get banned for saying it though.
Lol there’s more pressing news this last week is all
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're proving my point.
PlayStation consoles are still having stock issues and that's why it's not higher on the NPD charts.
You can ignore facts all you want, but this is the truth.
SLB1904
Banned
is was a lie from the beginning. they never fool me that's for sure
SteelCurtain 59
Member
Selling COD on Playstation does two things for Microsoft
1. 70% of revenue from COD (large but not game changing for somebody like Microsoft)
2. Removes incentive for that person to buy an Xbox or subscribe to Game Pass (way worse than any benefits from #1)
Let's say the average person who buys COD buys 2 more games a year (some will obviously buy more, some less), and buys Gold/PS+ at $60/year
The person on Playstation earns Microsoft $49/year (70% of $70 game)
The person on Xbox earns Microsoft $156/year (100% of $60 game + 100% of $60 Gold + 30% of 2 games)
That doesn't even account for any microtransactions (of which Microsoft earns 100% vs 70% on Playstation), or potential to subscribe to Game Pass that is lost when playing on Playstation.
So as long as Microsoft is able to get 31.4% (49/156) of Playstation COD players to play COD on Xbox/PC (even if it's a Series S), they will make just as much money if not more. Even if we assume the average COD player buys literally 0 games other than COD (an incredibly pessimistic assumption, but we'll do it anyways), then it would still be $120 vs $49, and only need 40.8% of COD players to play COD on Xbox/PC instead (even if literally every other game they play is on Playstation)
Now obviously it's hard to say with exact certainty how many people would buy/switch to Xbox/PC, but I feel fairly confident that enough people would switch to Xbox for at least to be a similar amount of revenue (and with the potential for all the microtransactions, and Game Pass subscribers they could gain, it would be a no brainer unless all those "casual COD gamers" are somehow more allegiant to Playstation than COD (spoiler alert: they're not)
Feel free to question any numbers I used or assumptions I make, but I can't see a realistic way where Microsoft makes more money long term from keeping COD on Playstation, outside of Game Pass coming to Playstation
Edit: Also Minecraft is and always was an exception, there was a stipulation in the purchase of Mojang that Minecraft would always be fully multiplatform. Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be absolutely massive and still not release on Playstation
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SteelCurtain 59
Member
They don't matter, but it just casts aside any doubt that most people that "care about console sales", only care because their side is winning.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
People can't say "it doesn't matter" and then talk about how their games will attract players to the Xbox platform.
This is what happens when people try to go with two different narratives.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
Where are my two narratives? I don't care if COD goes exclusive because I don't play COD, and already play all my 3rd party games on Xbox anyways so the only way this acquisition affects me is through Game Pass becoming way better. I'm just saying logically COD going exclusive is more likely to result in more revenue for Microsoft than keeping it on Playstation, therefore I expect Microsoft will make it exclusive unless Sony agrees to Game Pass on Playstation (which is almost certainly never happening). Hence why Bethesda games are all becoming exclusive once contracts are over, and why Xbox isn't porting games like Halo or Forza to Playstation. The Xbox/Game Pass ecosystem is worth more than any amount of sales they could get on Playstation (even for something like Call of Duty)
MrFunSocks
Banned
And Xbox is still having stock issues too. Sony can produce more PlayStations than Microsoft can Xboxes. They both have stock issues, that’s not an excuse.
You need to try find a new point because that one doesn’t make sense.
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mejin
Member
PS5 didn't best switch cause of stock.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're saying they don't matter
You're also saying MS is attracting people to the MS platform by making games exclusive. That means sales do matter.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Everyone is having stock issues. That still doesn't change the fact that Sony ships more units worldwide which means less stock in certain regions.
You're saying if there were no stock issues, Xbox would have sold more than the PS5 in the US and UK in December?
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Topher
Gold Member
That's fine if that's what you think but if someone is going to throw out "people said this" and "people said that" repeatedly to point out some kind of perceived hypocrisy then might as well do it both ways and not just the way that fits the narrative of the "winning" console of the month.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
They matter to Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, they don't matter to any gamers that aren't stockholders in those companies