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I would really like to know 3DS sales. I want to see how big of a drop it will be coming out of the holiday season.
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NPD January 2012 Sales Results [Up2: MW3 Sales, (Down ~50% Over BLOPS, But Still #1)]
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Metallix87
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Where is this information from?
Same reason as SC5 = were released on January 31st, NPD covered untill January 28.
You may be sarcastic, but the point and schism is a fundamental one. It's about rewarding talent vs. rewarding time investment, and talent should always win out. In the end, I think it's a worthy debate and it has nothing about being out of touch with the modern community. It's about a very directed opinion about game design philosophy, and which has better merits.
And besides, even if you disagree, it's nearly impossible to disagree with the declining ambition and quality of the series. Even if you LIKE it, at the very least the series is doing nothing but running in place.
It's not about innovation per say. It's about polishing and improving upon systems in place, retooling balance and engines in a fundamental and large fashion. At this point the Call of Duty series is just rehashing with slightly different themes to give the appearance of a large change, but assets are continually being reused, gameplay is being tweaked in only the most minor fashion, and the yearly iteration is proving fundamentally broken.
yearly sports iterations are kind of a unique case, given the constant changing of rosters and thus the need to keep the series relevant for each new sports season, but FPS titles do not require such a thing. Activision is doing it because the series is huge and it is the cheapest way to maximize profit while an overeager and accepting gaming public gobbles it down wholesale. They KNOW they can put the lowest possible effort out and get the maximum possible return, and they'll keep doing it because we -don't- demand more.
Petrae
Member
That is correct. The raw number was slightly less than 4.1MM units for 2011 total. Given the "more than 4.25 million" stat, I'd pin the actual number at between 125K-150K. Not great.
· Holding 49 percent share of current-generation console sales, total retail spend on the Xbox 360 platform in January (hardware, software and accessories) reached $301 million, the most for any console in the U.S. This marks the eleventh consecutive month Xbox 360 has held more than 40 percent of the current-generation console market share. (Source: NPD Group, January 2012)
Hmmm, seems like it is 49%
If the raw number is just under 4.1m, then just over 4.25m LTD would be 150K-200K.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Sports games have a limited number of areas in which to innovate though since it needs to adhere to the rules/rosters of the actual sport. So it's not too far-fetched to expect more innovation than sports games.
SapientWolf
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Not a bet I would make. I don't think there's a single TM game or full sequel that sold less than a mil on the home consoles.
It's not explicitly stated if it's console unit sales % or platform $ revenues %.
I'd lean toward it meaning 49% of console unit sales, since that's how they've used that percentage in the past.
bigtroyjon
Member
Market share refers to the hardware units, the info about revenue is unrelated.
Edit-Hmm, now thinking I'm wrong about that. They mention market share being over 40% for 11 months but having #1 selling hardware for 13 months.
Indeed, this would be the first time they've not used it in this way.
OK, sorry for the confusion. So console unit sales are at 49%, platform revenues are at >40% marketshare.
jamesinclair
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What does this have to do with anything?
Also, there are two PS2 games in the OP, one of which outsold the PC version.
Yes, it's a simple value proposition. Could I have afforded a PS3 at $599? Yes. But I, like most people, decided that the amount of money was not worth what was being awful. Im sure you remember sales at $599 were pretty damn terrible.
That doesnt mean we didnt want it or couldnt afford it, just that it wasnt worth the expense.
Its a pretty simple concept.
Im sure you like cookies. I could offer you a single cookie for $20. Id bet you could easily spend $20 and not think about it....but would you accept my offer of $20 for a cookie? Probably not. Just seems wasteful.
As the years go by, the value of the console actually decreases. Yes, there are more games, less bugs, whatever....but it's not as new. The technology isnt as impressive. The features are common place. When the PS3 came out, it was one of the only blu-ray options. Now, you can get a new blu-ray player for $49.99 at wal-mart.
The price of the PS3 started too high, and dropped too slowly. And thats why the sales have never been good.
X360 prices have also sucked, for the consumer, but MS has managed to convince people that Kinect is valuable enough to justify the price.
Theres nothing left to justify running out to buy a PS3 at the current price. Move flopped, it wont push sales. Games are still coming, and will make existing owners happy, but theres nothing special enough to make people run out to buy one. The only thing left to do is lower the price, because that gets the system on the right side of what people consider a good value.
As someone else mentioned, the only thing that could boost PS3 would be a new slim, at $149.99.
Petrae
Member
Thanks for the correction. Looks like about 180K now that I'm actually, you know, using a calcuator. Still well short of where I thought it would be.
The thing with Nintendo is they are very conservative with their numbers even when they have exact figures. Over 4.25 million to Nintendo could be 4.3 million or 4.35 million. They seem to stivk to the 250K intervals once it gets over million. Just like the 4.1 was reported as reaching 4 million
I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, I was just poking fun at you for the whole man vs man stuff. I'm not certain talent should always win. I think rewarding time investment helps make it fun for less talented players. Of course talented players will always have the advantage because they can invest the time.
metareferential
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I get your point, I was simply implying that current prices aren't that high, keeping in mind what others were saying (inflation, tech progress, etc.). An arcade 360 can be had for pretty cheap nowadays (but keep in mind that I live in Europe, the 360 is a bit cheaper than in the US, Microsoft could and will price-cut again).
If you're saying that right now consoles cost too much (compared to what they might cost to produce at this moment), I agree. Especially in the US, Microsoft did a very good job of re-launching its console while actually increasing the price tag. But a couple years ago no one could have afforded to sell consoles with prices as low as what you suggested.
frankie_baby
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and dont forget the over 3 million december the wii had that ended up being 3.8
Metallix87
Member
So no one can tell me where these Nintendo numbers are coming from, then?
Petrae
Member
Fair point. I don't know that conservatism holds true for January, though. I'll be willing to concede an extrapolation of 200K without solid evidence from Nintendo, but not any more than that.
Providing attach rates are the same as they were at the end of 2011
Xbox 360 - 9.1 x 32,930,000 = 299,633,000
Wii - 7.7 x 38,890,000 = 299,453,000
Of course the attach rates could be rounded, HW could be a little lower/higher for either console, but this shows 360 has sold more unbundled SW this gen in the US than Wii.
Xbox 360 - 9.1 x 32,930,000 = 299,633,000
Wii - 7.7 x 38,890,000 = 299,453,000
Of course the attach rates could be rounded, HW could be a little lower/higher for either console, but this shows 360 has sold more unbundled SW this gen in the US than Wii.
I'll just put it back for now since it fits with the complete sales collapse being reported for the month in general.
I miss the gifs. So damn good. I'd wait all afternoon and then giggle like a little schoolgirl at MamaRobotnik's magical animations..
Yep that's true. I remember the rage that went on here when the Nintendo's releases started to slow down and Reggie starting teasing the big holiday game for 2008, which it turned out to be Animal Crossing City Folk.
Wrong. It means we will see a price drop this year and then people will be like how the fuck is this thing still selling like they did in 2011.
The first part of your statement disproves the second part of your statement. There's enough error involved with all the numbers that it's not clear if one is above the other. Suffice it to say that they're about the same now and 360 will undoubtedly sell more by the end.
Yeah I know, was just using the first scenario that puts X360 (possibly) on top.
Thats not guaranteed to happen either. 360 and PS3 are on a reverse curve than the Wii and Standard console generations. They will both hit their peak sales and then decline regardless of progress in cuts etc.
The difference is the high cost of the 360 and PS3 had their curve start small then grow as it got cheaper but the curve will inevitably curve back in.The Wii simply due to its price exploded up then curved in.
Four_Chamber
Member
Microsoft continues to dominate as Wii/PS3 circle the drain. ~280k sales combined is horrendous. Best thing is 2K12 still repping in the Top 10. That series is just a sports juggernaut now.
Next month will be good. Most interesting thing is to see how bad Vita will tank in the US. My guess? Sony's PR is going to be extra entertaining.
Next month will be good. Most interesting thing is to see how bad Vita will tank in the US. My guess? Sony's PR is going to be extra entertaining.
Vita: best selling new technology device released in 2012.
Yet everyone is basing all this because of December decline? Sony can't afford another price drop. We saw the results of that from the sales to the report from last week. MS on the other hand has an adavantage to drop the price at anytime which I think may come in the summer around E3. The system, accessories and software are still selling. It is only the month of January. I don't believe we have major concerns about performance in just one month of the year as far as MS goes. Sony on the other hand.....
However they spin it, I'm sure you'll be there to set the record straight.
SlipperySlope
Banned
Nah, Vita vs. GBA.
T.M. MacReady
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I dont get people who say "Fuck CoD".
People like it. Some are kinda douchey, so what? People like Zelda, and plenty of Zelda fans are douchey too. Just because something is overwhelmingly popular doesn't mean its a bad thing.
People like it. Some are kinda douchey, so what? People like Zelda, and plenty of Zelda fans are douchey too. Just because something is overwhelmingly popular doesn't mean its a bad thing.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
It's kind of sad that Media Create threads seem to get more attention then NPD threads these days. The seal on the information leaks is bullshit.
perhaps yes lol
Not necessarily. I'm suggesting that if the Wii had bombed the other two would not have picked up the slack in a meaningfully significant way. I think it's obvious to anyone who paid the slightest attention that a good portion of the Wii's audience is unique to the Wii because it's part of the "expanded" audience. The Ellen watchers that love Wii Fit. The elderly and rehab facilities that saw the potential in Wii Sports. People that never played games before and saw no real interest in doing so.
Then you have to look at Move and especially Kinect. Does anyone think if the Wii was not the success it was that either of these would have been implemented? Would Microsoft have put the resources, marketing and support behind Kinect if there wasn't a demand for motion control gaming?
Some specialty industries can work without an expanding audience. Model trains for example, or oenophiles. Gamers need expanded audiences for the same reason people that love independent films need big block buster movies too. The more money developers and publishers make on titles for a broader audience the more they're willing to serve core gamers with titles that don't have a broad appeal, but deeply resonate with a select part of their customer base.
I think it's simpler than that, and you're not correctly applying the lessons of the Wii. I think any industry that slips into stagnation tends to contract and contraction in business is often death. I think there is a disenchantment with traditional gaming among some people who just want something NEW, who want something that feels like a new, fresh experience. They want the wonder they felt when they played Final Fantasy 7 for the first time, or first explored Mario 64's overworld. They want the satisfaction of playing Halo for the first time, there's nostalgia, but I think there is also a fatigue of similarity.
If you look at the history of the industry we seem to have revolutionary generations where new features are introduced (the NES revitalizing gaming, the PlayStation/Saturn/N64 introducing 3D) and then we have evolutionary generations (SNES vs Genesis refining 2D gaming, PS2, Xbox, GC refining 3D gaming). I think that this generation was supposed to be more revolutionary, it was supposed to do something very different and it just felt too similiar on the PS3 and 360 to the last generation.