Any ragnarok slander is an Insta-parry at this point
Nov 9th can't come soon enough!
The game took more than 3 years to make it, and I doubt they did that with 50 devs or so(though I would be happy if someone could prove me wrong).
This didn't cost as much as 2, but let's not pretend this breaks even with a million units sold or some such.
You asked me why I brought up Halo Infinite earlier. Well, you're showing me why it was a good idea to mention it. If you're of the idea a remake of a 9-year-old game placing 5th in a debut month that included heavy-hitters like Splatoon 3 (keep in mind that game did 3+ million in Japan in like two days), and other new games like FIFA and NBA 2K (these are not "minor games", btw) is only doing "okay", then we can agree that Halo Infinite's No. 2 debut on the chart where the only other new release was the mediocre COD Vanguard, was also only "okay"?
Never mind that Halo Infinite dropped off the Top 20 the immediate following month. So yeah, you can say that TLOU Part 1 did "okay" at best if you're willing to admit right here and now that at best Halo Infinite only did "okay" or in many ways quite badly, considering it probably costed a good deal more to build (and rebuild) & had an actual marketing budget to it (something TLOU Part 1 Remake did not have). If you're not willing to admit that, then stop trying to force the argument TLOU Remake is only doing "okay" when you're looking at chart placements with no numbers on unit sales attached to them.
If that were true, how come you can make the opposite conclusion?That the game IS doing well, if charts don't prove anything? And its not just one chart, its multiple charts. Sure that its not raw numbers, but its a solid indicator, as it.... has always been.
You're conveniently ignoring that the other four games placing ahead of it on NPD are all new (or relatively new) games in VERY established IPs not just in NA but globally.
And in that sense, if you say I can't make a definitive conclusion out of it, you also can't say the game is doing well. Honestly, that's just a bullsgit argument.
The probability that
my stance holds true is much higher than the probability
yours holds true, that's the difference here. Because in my case, we can already look at similar arguments used against other games released this year and see the results from those games defying those arguments absolutely, so the pattern is set to where TLOU Part 1 Remake sales results will at least push against the idea the game is only doing "okay" (in the context of game sales, when a lot of people use phrases like "okay" in context to other statements that are generally negative, then the context of that "okay" also becomes tinged as negative) or badly.
You don't have any other sales data for other Sony 1P releases this year you can point to holding up a similar argument of only performing "okay" (i.e notably below internal higher-end sales/revenue expectations) that can be extrapolated to assuming TLOU Part 1 Remake performs similarly. You're just going off a hunch and whatever suits your perspective.
That's the difference.
By using... common sense?The game can't have been cheap. Even Sony admits that any project of their costs hundreds of millions of dollars, and a remake that completely overhauls the graphics and gameplay, while cheaper than 2 or Ragnarok, must have been expensive. Being at number 5 in a chart that multiple games don't have digital sales(which nowadays represents at least half of the total sales) are not a great indicator.
So Sackboy and Astro-bot costed $100 million to make? MLB The Show costed $100 million to make? Returnal costed $100 million to make? You talk about using common sense but aren't using it yourself. Sony's statement was in regards to their biggest, most prolific 1P AAA releases. The HFWs, GOW Ragnaroks, Spiderman 2 type of games. New IP or sequels in established marquee IP. Remakes and remasters do not classify under that scope.
I'm not saying TLOU Remake was cheap, but its budget is nowhere in the ballpark of the other marquee 1P AAA games I just mentioned, because there's no way it would realistically need to be. And keep in mind, Elden Ring (y'know, the biggest game of the year so far sales-wise) also includes physical & digital in the NPD chart and placed lower than TLOU Part 1 Remake. Granted it's not a new release but that hasn't stopped games like GTAV (which Elden Ring has been compared to sales-wise) or COD (which it's also been compared to sales-wise) charting near the top multiple months after their initial releases.
So if this is your narrative, then you also have to accept the possible narrative that Elden Ring's post-release sales aren't particularly strong. OTOH, if you're of the idea they ARE particularly strong (and various reports would support this), then while TLOU Remake's charting isn't #1 in debut month, that would at least support the idea that it's doing pretty well so far. More than the "okay" you imply, at the very least.
Most that are giving me flack are calling me a moron, or at least insinuaring that, without actually articulating why. I'm not particularry worried about such users that can't use logic to defend their viewpoints.
I wouldn't be so sure about that; you're supposedly "not worried" yet have responding to pretty much every single one. Actions speak louder than words.
natural result of what happens when you have a pulse on what the gamers actually fucking want. you never, ever fail.
So many companies fail to realize this shit and its why they end up faltering. they'd get away with the shit sony does on the regular if they made the games and fostered the fanbases that sony has
Well, PS3 was a gen where they
did screw up, at least in the beginning. Not with what they were trying to do (for the value and QoL it provided PS3 was a steal), but partly the pricing and mostly the messaging to customers (or the way that messaging was reported by games media, who as we know today, most of them are garbage).
They definitely course-corrected around the midway point and certainly by the end of that gen though, easily had the most goodwill among gamers between them, Nintendo and Microsoft by the time 2013 came along.
It's bizarre to read this thread.
Every time a region sells more PS5's than Series X's there are 10-15 of you guys who come in here with the same old GIF's, screaming and shouting how good the PS5 is.
The PS5 is always gonna sell more than Xbox, no shit. Why are you so excited?
Because there are people who make threads, dramatic Twitter posts, Youtube videos and 3+ hour podcasts celebrating Xbox Series outselling PS5 in Japan by 50 units once every several weeks (but conveniently ignore when PS5 outsells Xbox in that market by 100%+ margins multiple weeks at a time, even though the brand is supposedly "dying off" in the country. You'd think they would want to cover those sales for a struggling brand in Japan but nope, not if it's PlayStation).
Having threads to report on sales also helps keep certain narratives in check, so should any BS ones try getting started up.