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[winjer]

If you thought the RX 6400 was bad, take a seat, because nVidia just beat AMD for the worst GPU released in 2022. At least until now.
With an MSRP of 169$ and even lower performance than an RX 6400, this makes it one of the worst GPUs ever released.
But it gets worse, because there are AIB cards going for 200$.

Just-released $169 GeForce GTX 1630 is officially as fast as $139 GTX 1050 Ti from 2016 - VideoCardz.com

GeForce GTX 1630 officially as fast as GTX 1050 Ti Inno3D confirms GTX 1630 performance. GeForce GTX 1630 officially introduced yesterday has already been tested by tech outlets like TechPowerUp or Guru3D. It is not a fast gaming card though, in fact it is slower than Radeon RX 6400 from AMD...

videocardz.com

The question now is, will AMD be able to claw back the award of worst GPU of 2022 with an RX 6300. Or maybe Intel can do even worse.

 

[Clear]

I like my shitty GT 1030 box! Useless for gaming but a nice, silent option for bedroom HTPC.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Nvidia: "We shall never lose to AMD again, not even in raking of worst GPU."

 

[tusharngf]

i have 610 spare for dual display..

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

WTF, Who needs this?

 

[MadchesterManc]

Looks a decent upgrade for those on a GT 1030 at least Do they even have a low profile variant tho...

 

[InfiniteCombo]

WTF, Who needs this?

Yeah, my question exactly.

Has there always been a market for these super low-tier GPUs? What are they even used for? Aren't integrated graphics good enough these days that it makes these kind of super low tier GPUs irrelevant?

 

[winjer]

WTF, Who needs this?

No one.
This is clearly a card designed during the crypto boom, with the intent to get the maximum profit for nVidia.
But being released after the crypto crash, it's just pathetic.

 

[LordCBH]

WTF, Who needs this?

Office environments that want a super cheap way to enable multiple displays.

 

[winjer]

Office environments that want a super cheap way to enable multiple displays.

200$ is not a cheap gpu. Especially when we consider it's low performance.

 

[64bitmodels]

Novideo

 

[LordCBH]

200$ is not a cheap gpu. Especially when we consider it's low performance.

It is for OEM’s like Dell who will include it with office pc’s for a negligible price increase for companies who also don’t care about the price increase because it’s a write off.

 

[winjer]

It is for OEM’s like Dell who will include it with office pc’s for a negligible price increase for companies who also don’t care about the price increase because it’s a write off.

But performance is so low, one might just use the integrated gpu that comes with many cpus from intel and amd.
Or just buy an rx 6400, since it cost the same and has much better performance.
There is no reason to buy the gtx 1630. It's just e-waste.

 

[LordCBH]

But performance is so low, one might just use the integrated gpu that comes with many cpus from intel and amd.
Or just buy an rx 6400, since it cost the same and has much better performance.
There is no reason to buy the gtx 1630. It's just e-waste.

That’s all the 30 series cards have ever been.

 

[Skifi28]

Looking forward to the GTX 1610 two years from now for 200€.

 

[winjer]

That’s all the 30 series cards have ever been.

But consider, for example, that the GTX 1030 released with an MSRP of 79$. And this was a Pascal card, released during the Pascal era.
The GTX 1630 released with an MSRP of 169$. And it's a Turing card, released almost at the same time as Ada Lovelace.

 

[LordCBH]

But consider, for example, that the GTX 1030 released with an MSRP of 79$. And this was a Pascal card, released during the Pascal era.
The GTX 1630 released with an MSRP of 169$. And it's a Turing card, released almost at the same time as Ada Lovelace.

I have considered that. I have also considered that the target audience for this tend to buy it when it’s already in a device, usually at some form of bulk corporate pricing. Nvidia saw a way to take advantage of a market that was going to buy it anyway. Plus everything is more expensive now compared to when the 1030 released.

 

[Kataploom]

WTF, Who needs this?

People without gaming needs and broken integrated GPU or to test another GPU in GPU-less motherboards, there are many uses for this products, just not for gaming, it's clear as a sunny day, wtf is people complaining about lol. It's made to replace 1030 with a more modern build process

 

[winjer]

I have considered that. I have also considered that the target audience for this tend to buy it when it’s already in a device, usually at some form of bulk corporate pricing. Nvidia saw a way to take advantage of a market that was going to buy it anyway. Plus everything is more expensive now compared to when the 1030 released.

But the market no longer has the pressure from covid and crypto mining. So this card's price is unjustified.

 

[Pagusas]

But the market no longer has the pressure from covid and crypto mining. So this card's price is unjustified.

eh they are a big corporation and most if not all of this products planning, marketing and supply agreements happened during the craziness of the last 2 years, the market just recently started to stabilize, so maybe its just a big corp being slow to realign to the changing market, for a niche product they don't care much about anyway.

 

[LordCBH]

But the market no longer has the pressure from covid and crypto mining. So this card's price is unjustified.

It’s 100% justified. The target market, big corporations, don’t give a shit about the price. I know. The price is justified if people buy it, and large corporations will buy office towers with this inside it in droves because it’s what their partners tell them to buy.

The card is also listed as standalone for the same reason earlier ones were: some dumb idiot on Amazon will likely buy it because it might be the first card they see.

 

[winjer]

It’s 100% justified. The target market, big corporations, don’t give a shit about the price. I know. The price is justified if people buy it, and large corporations will buy office towers with this inside it in droves because it’s what their partners tell them to buy.

The card is also listed as standalone for the same reason earlier ones were: some dumb idiot on Amazon will likely buy it because it might be the first card they see.

If corporations didn't care about the price, then nVidia would have priced all their previous low end GPUs at 200$.
But the fact is that nVidia never did that. The GTX 1630 should cost 80$ or less, like previous generations.

 

[LordCBH]

If corporations didn't care about the price, then nVidia would have priced all their previous low end GPUs at 200$.
But the fact is that nVidia never did that. The GTX 1630 should cost 80$ or less, like previous generations.

The corporations aren’t paying the consumer price for this. You’re not disputing anything on the corporate side. Whatever the new bulk pricing is from OEM’s like Dell, on corporate contracts with varying prices based on the partner they’re making a contract with, will be the new standard for this product equivalent going forward.

 

[Three]

Laughable performance. The reason these shitty cards like the RX6400 and GTX1630 exist this year is probably to sell prebuilt cheap gaming PCs in bulk. Performance is probably not even that far away from a Series S and in some cases probably better. This isn't for the enthusiasts.

 

[winjer]

The corporations aren’t paying the consumer price for this. You’re not disputing anything on the corporate side. Whatever the new bulk pricing is from OEM’s like Dell, on corporate contracts with varying prices based on the partner they’re making a contract with, will be the new standard for this product equivalent going forward.

You are correct in that companies don´t pay the same price as consumers, mostly because of volume and certain tax deductions.
But this card is releasing as a standalone, in the DIY market, for 169$. It's not some exclusive for companies, like some products that AMD and nVidia released.

And you also have to consider that in previous generations, corporations would pay less for these types of cards.
So a GTX 1030 would be 80$ for consumers, but even less for corporations.

 

[LordCBH]

You are correct in that companies don´t pay the same price as consumers, mostly because of volume and certain tax deductions.
But this card is releasing as a standalone, in the DIY market, for 169$. It's not some exclusive for companies, like some products that AMD and nVidia released.

It’s releasing as a stand-alone because they expect some idiot will buy it. , which is very likely true. Anything they make from standalone sales from this turd would be the cherry on top considering most of the sales for this will be in bulk. I already said this like 4 posts ago.

 

[Three]

You are correct in that companies don´t pay the same price as consumers, mostly because of volume and certain tax deductions.
But this card is releasing as a standalone, in the DIY market, for 169$. It's not some exclusive for companies, like some products that AMD and nVidia released.

Is that an issue though? I mean it is a complete ripoff to buy standalone for sure but I suspect its existence is mainly for these cheap £299 entry level prebuilt gaming PCs:

https://bedrock-computers.co.uk/product/fractal-design-gaming-pc/

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Can get a 6500 XT for that price. What a joke.

 

[01011001]

these GPUs are usuall used simply to have video out options or for PCs that lack integrated graphics but are only used for light text editing or browsing

 

[sendit]

You'll never see an AMD gpu in my computer. Nvidia4Life!

 

[adamsapple]

WTF, Who needs this?

Offices.

My work computers have basic Nvidia GPUs for all the ports and shit. We don't really need to run GPU intensive applications at all, we just need it for the extra screen real estate it enables.

 

[Crayon]

My 570

 

[DeepEnigma]

nVidia refuses to be beaten at anything.

 

[Boss Mog]

Just to put into perspective how bad the 1630 actually is: the GTX 1050 Ti which is 6 years old and cost $139 when it launched performs about the same if not slightly better than the 1630.

 

[Cryio]

RX 470 8 GB was 170-180$ in 2016 and it's 33% faster than this 1630.

Nvidia really wanted to make AMD look good with a card WORSE than both 6500 XT ans 6400. At least AMD used RDNA2 and they're fully DX12U compliant. This is a Turing GPU with no DLSS or DX12U support.

 

[PaintTinJr]

But performance is so low, one might just use the integrated gpu that comes with many cpus from intel and amd.
Or just buy an rx 6400, since it cost the same and has much better performance.
There is no reason to buy the gtx 1630. It's just e-waste.

For a niche business or gov dept situation the use of nvidia hardware might be contractual, or from a software whitelisting nvidia drivers are only approved, or the card's power use in some workload, or EMF generation, expected duty cycle, or even need for specific NV_GPU_EXT, etc might all be overriding factors for why integrated is no use, and the AMD option isn't allowed.

From a game/PC consumer perspective it just looks totally cynical of just building product range stairs to stop the rapid price erosion of crypto inflated higher tier cards, probably hoping some young kid gets one by accident because it's in their price range, then pays again in 12months when RX30 series are back to £150-200 for RTX3050 tier and have made the same profit as inflated RTX3050 across the two sales.

 

[Three]

RX 470 8 GB was 170-180$ in 2016 and it's 33% faster than this 1630.

Nvidia really wanted to make AMD look good with a card WORSE than both 6500 XT ans 6400. At least AMD used RDNA2 and they're fully DX12U compliant. This is a Turing GPU with no DLSS or DX12U support.

Keep in mind that inflation hasn't been great.

$180 in 2016 is around $220 today.
Also did you mean 570? Because the 470 is much slower

 

[winjer]

For a niche business or gov dept situation the use of nvidia hardware might be contractual, or from a software whitelisting nvidia drivers are only approved, or the card's power use in some workload, or EMF generation, expected duty cycle, or even need for specific NV_GPU_EXT, etc might all be overriding factors for why integrated is no use, and the AMD option isn't allowed.

But even for a business, with some discounts, this card is awful value.
The 1030 could be bought for 80$ for consumers. So for businesses it would be even cheaper.

 

[JackSparr0w]

200$ is not a cheap gpu. Especially when we consider it's low performance.

A few years ago $200 could get you mid-range console destroying performance. If people forget that easily we're truly doomed.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Garbage smells and tastes better.

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[Pagusas]

A few years ago $200 could get you mid-range console destroying performance. If people forget that easily we're truly doomed.

but it’s not a few years ago, record high inflation + covid + wars + market volatility. The time from 1991 - 2019 is going to be remebered an economic history as one of the crazy golden era’s of the world regarding price stability/inflation (even with 2001/2008), and that time may be over.

this card is still absolute Bs, but I just wanted to point out we’re in a new economic world.

 

[JackSparr0w]

but it’s not a few years ago, record high inflation + covid + wars + market volatility. The time from 1991 - 2019 is going to be remebered an economic history as one of the crazy golden era’s of the world regarding price stability/inflation (even with 2001/2008), and that time may be over.

this card is still absolute Bs, but I just wanted to point out we’re in a new economic world.

Indeed new economic world prices of non-essential crap like GPUs need to crash down. You mention stuff like covid and wars while Nvidia keeps increasing their profit margins year after year.

These companies are due for a rude awakening.

 

[names are for friends]

Ah but is that the RX 6400 with PCI-E 3 or 4? Depending on what system you're using AMD might still be competitively bad.

 

[The_Mike]

 

[StateofMajora]

Yep it's terrible. Amazing how some itt are trying to downplay the scumbaggery.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Nvidia don’t care. Neither does AMD.

But they better start caring now that mining dried up. You’re back to relying on us motherfuckers.

 

[Shifty]

Yeah, my question exactly.

Has there always been a market for these super low-tier GPUs? What are they even used for? Aren't integrated graphics good enough these days that it makes these kind of super low tier GPUs irrelevant?

Hmm... Linux users who have an AMD CPU without integrated graphics, but want to pass their main GPU through to Windows inside a virtual machine using IOMMU, and need a bottom-tier backup card to take care of the host UI while that's happening.
(Users who would probably just buy a cheapo used Radeon off eBay if they were actually crazy enough to try that.)

It'll sell like hot cakes, no doubt about it.

 

[Redneckerz]

Its decent performance if the price was 70 bucks lower.
This only makes sense with a low profile outfit for those ultra tiny machines. There 512 CUDA cores will work for a decent entry-level gaming sff PC.

If no low-profile version comes out, then its quite useless.

The biggest audacity is that Nvidia threw this under the GTX branding. Meaning they think its a gaming-oriented card. It barely gets by, its equal to the GTX 1050 Ti (Which was a great mid-range card, in 2016) yet it costs more.

AMD IGP is at that point where it provides similar performance whilst being integrated.

 

[PaintTinJr]

But even for a business, with some discounts, this card is awful value.
The 1030 could be bought for 80$ for consumers. So for businesses it would be even cheaper.

But given the age of the GTX 1030 and the node used, for a business would that really be an option? Even though this is called at GTX 1630, is it really a 1630 by node, or really a GTX 3030 or 2030?

It might not seem like it matters when the performance versus price is so poor, but the NV_GPU_EXTs, etc from a 10xx won't be the same - hopefully not, although all bets are off -as a 16xx. 20xx or 30xx series card made and designed many years later IMO, which would affect driver support duration.