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[Yaweee]

I'm interested in this Vincent speculation but wouldn't P5 take place in a whole other time frame (if Atlus follows the same pattern)? Like maybe 2013?

There's no rhyme or reason to how Atlus handles continuity or setting within their various SMT sub-series. There's been a tendency to do 2 games in one setting and switch, but I think that is more of a function of what has historically been almost decade-long gaps between the 2nd and 3rd games in any line of SMT games. The recent Persona series have been so succesful, however, that they're doing a new Persona game rather than letting the series fade into the background for a few years.

That Vincent talks about dreams so much might give a hint that P5 is going to have something to do with dreams and dream psychology.

EDIT: Removed wrong/mistranslated information.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

There's no rhyme or reason to how Atlus handles continuity or setting within their various SMT sub-series. There's been a tendency to do 2 games in one setting and switch, but I think that is more of a function of what has historically been almost decade-long gaps between the 2nd and 3rd games in any line of SMT games. The recent Persona series have been so succesful, however, that they're doing a new Persona game rather than letting the series fade into the background for a few years.

That Vincent talks about dreams so much might give a hint that P5 is going to have something to do with dreams and dream psychology. The little revealed information (

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that Aigis is in it in some way

) pretty much says that it is going to take place some time after P3/P4.

His hair doesn't match the "anti-social" design that was talked about, so if anything he would be a supporting cast member or NPC, or from another Atlus game altogether.

I wonder if that hint in P4

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about Elizabeth doing something to help the P3 protagonist

will be involved?

 

[Yaweee]

I wonder if that hint in P4

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about Elizabeth doing something to help the P3 protagonist

will be involved?

Probably not. Supporting cast members may tie into the plot, but the protagonist is likely not going to get any kind of mention beyond a few pronouns here or there (like how pretty much every character from P1 is in P2, except the protagonist), and maybe not even that with the gender ambiguity introduced with P3P.

 

[Oyashiro]

So, after 95 hours, I finally managed to beat P4 yesterday. I loved every minute of it, so I couldn't hold back on purchasing P3P. I dunno if I'm gonna start playing it just yet, but I definitely want to play it soon! (The fact that my friend is playing P3FES right next to me is a big contributor)

 

[Peff]

Wasn't the Aigis thing just mistranslated and it actually refered to Persona 3 Portable? Or was that confirmed somewhere else?

 

[Yaweee]

Wasn't the Aigis thing just mistranslated and it actually refered to Persona 3 Portable? Or was that confirmed somewhere else?

Ah, didn't see that it was a mistranslation.

 

[Minamu]

That is so cool :O

Just reached the top floor of level 3 (I think? There was a wall around floor 90 anyway). The boss on 72 was a pushover but the one above was a whole different beast.

Also, it's a bad idea to do auto-fight against four enemies with mamudo when you don't have the advantage :lol My one and only Homunculus was used there

 

[WrenchNinja]

That is so cool :O

Just reached the top floor of level 3 (I think? There was a wall around floor 90 anyway). The boss on 72 was a pushover but the one above was a whole different beast.

Also, it's a bad idea to do auto-fight against four enemies with mamudo when you don't have the advantage :lol My one and only Homunculus was used there

Eh, don't worry. There'll be a quest coming soon that'll net you 10.

 

[kman3000]

I think this is my fourth or fifth time playing this game and I still get teary-eyed at Sun Rank 10.

 

[Minamu]

Eh, don't worry. There'll be a quest coming soon that'll net you 10.

Cool. I found two more in a rare chest one or two floors above the boss. I'm relaxing on the beach now. Well deserved.

 

[Blueblur1]

That Vincent talks about dreams so much might give a hint that P5 is going to have something to do with dreams and dream psychology.

That's a clever way of implementing another world with shadows. I'm liking this.

I just hope we hear something about P5 sometime within the next year. Maybe E3 2011?

 

[adamsapple]

That dude looks way too old to star in a Persona game.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

That dude looks way too old to star in a Persona game.

Eternal Punishment?

Besides, I'd like to see them implement the dating-sim stuff into non-highschool locations like, say, a workplace.

 

[Yaweee]

That dude looks way too old to star in a Persona game.

Looks about the same age as the cast of Eternal Punishment. And I'd wager that if he is from P5, that he isn't the main character. He has too much of a personality and history to be the player's character. He would more likely be a supporting cast member.

 

[Don]

That dude looks way too old to star in a Persona game.

Persona 5 could have an older main cast, or maybe he will just end up as a side character.

 

[firehawk12]

I haven't played through the PSP version of this yet, but I just seen a screenshot of what you are talking about and now I'm curious.

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It would be pretty cool if he ends up being a party member in Persona 5.

Oh yeah, I asked about him when I finished the game last week - so that is a new addition to P3P?

 

[Yaweee]

Oh yeah, I asked about him when I finished the game last week - so that is a new addition to P3P?

Yes. There wasn't anybody sitting at the bar like that in the previous versions.

 

[darkpaladinmfc]

That dude looks way too old to star in a Persona game.

He could easily be a playable character, we've already had a little kid, a dog, and a robot :lol.

 

[firehawk12]

He could easily be a playable character, we've already had a little kid, a dog, and a robot :lol.

I don't really understand how it works... because in P3, the chairman says he can't use Persona because he's old... but then of course, that's completely thrown out the window in P4.

Yes. There wasn't anybody sitting at the bar like that in the previous versions.

Hah, cool. It was strange because he clearly is an allusion to something but I figured I was missing something about Persona 3.

Speaking of random stuff, here's the cut Junpei ending:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF6Sfb1d4f0

 

[Yaweee]

He could easily be a playable character, we've already had a little kid, a dog, and a robot :lol.

... and a detective in his late twenties, and internet rumormonger in his thirties, a twenty-something working menial jobs and getting ripped of by a con-man boyfriend, a few reporters in their twenties...

 

[FSLink]

I don't really understand how it works... because in P3, the chairman says he can't use Persona because he's old...

Well to be fair

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the chairman is a lying piece of shit.

 

[firehawk12]

Well to be fair

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the chairman is a lying piece of shit.

Yeah, there's that. :lol

 

[I AM JOHN!]

I don't really understand how it works... because in P3, the chairman says he can't use Persona because he's old... but then of course, that's completely thrown out the window in P4.

That's actually not why he can't wield a persona. The whole "you can't use a Persona if you're over a certain age" thing is from Trinity Soul, and dudes from Atlus have come out and said that it's not canon.

 

[firehawk12]

That's actually not why he can't wield a persona. The whole "you can't use a Persona if you're over a certain age" thing is from Trinity Soul, and dudes from Atlus have come out and said that it's not canon.

Do you remember what he actually says? I just remember something to that effect fairly early on.

 

[I AM JOHN!]

Do you remember what he actually says? I just remember something to that effect fairly early on.

He doesn't specifically say why.

Spoiler

I think it's probably that he doesn't have the mental will or whatever to be able to summon a Persona, but he can still experience the Dark Hour because he was there at the creation of the Dark Hour and Tartarus, kind of like Mitsuru's father and many of the other agents of the Kirijo Group.

 

[firehawk12]

He doesn't specifically say why.

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I think it's probably that he doesn't have the mental will or whatever to be able to summon a Persona, but he can still experience the Dark Hour because he was there at the creation of the Dark Hour and Tartarus, kind of like Mitsuru's father and many of the other agents of the Kirijo Group.

Hrm, alright then. Well, hell, if they can make a robot who can summon a Persona I figure anything and anyone could do it at this point.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

That's actually not why he can't wield a persona. The whole "you can't use a Persona if you're over a certain age" thing is from Trinity Soul, and dudes from Atlus have come out and said that it's not canon.

Suck it, plot holes!

You're all under arrest!

 

[pirata]

I've been wondering what angle they could take for P5, and this "dreamscape" speculation sounds pretty cool. It would be right up the series' alley, what with the focus on psychology, and it gives the developers an excuse to include as much mindfuck as possible, which I would be a big fan of.

 

[Yaweee]

So, after Hanged Man wtfpwned me, I made an awesome Dionysus so I could resist Akasha Arts (a multi-hit strike attack). I still died in one hit, so I added a bunch of skill cards, which were probably overkill.

I'll probably be using him until I'm fusing Persona for the final boss battle. No weaknesses, four strengths, Heat Wave (all-hit Physical), Endure, Mind Charge, an all-hit level 2 spell, Ziodyne, and Sharp Student to even further reduce the odds of being crit. The Fire Break might seem odd, but I have other persona with Agidyne, and a Koromaru packing an Indra Bracer, Agidyne, and Fire Boost. That fucker hits hard!

39 hours in, roughly 25~30 hours less than my time to reach this part in FES or P3.

EDIT: Oh, Vincent explicitly says he's past thirty in conversation. Is there a transcript of his dialogue anywhere?

 

[firehawk12]

I've been wondering what angle they could take for P5, and this "dreamscape" speculation sounds pretty cool. It would be right up the series' alley, what with the focus on psychology, and it gives the developers an excuse to include as much mindfuck as possible, which I would be a big fan of.

Persona 5: Inception!

 

[Fimbulvetr]

Persona 5: Inception!

Persona 5 written by Chris Nolan?

Hmm....

Speaking of which, I wonder how they enter dreams; it'd be annoying for them to have to go everytime they fall asleep.

 

[firehawk12]

Persona 5 written by Chris Nolan?

Hmm....

Speaking of which, I wonder how they enter dreams; it'd be annoying for them to have to go everytime they fall asleep.

Actually, it'd be cool if they went total mindfuck and set the game within the main character's subconscious because of the whole "zero" thing. Both the party and the shadows would be aspects of the main character's personality.

 

[I AM JOHN!]

Man I hope not. Inception was overrated as fuck.

 

[Deadly]

I was curious and checked out some of the cutscenes from the original and FES and man I'm really pissed I missed out on that and have to play the more "visual-novel" version of the game. The social links seem so much more entertaining and the animated cutscenes looks awesome.

 

[suzu]

I'm disappointed that the male butler outfits have crappy stats, while the female ones are awesome.

Also I never realized that the characters commented on relationship crap when the slink is maxed out (and on a lover's path) while you're running around in Tartarus. Found that out by accident, and got some funny lines where they argued with each other.

 

[Wizpig]

I was curious and checked out some of the cutscenes from the original and FES and man I'm really pissed I missed out on that and have to play the more "visual-novel" version of the game. The social links seem so much more entertaining and the animated cutscenes looks awesome.

PSP happened.

But really, the question here is: would you play Persona 3 on the Ps2 right now? if the answer is yes; sure, you should play that version instead of being pissed off.

But some other people think the game is perfect on a portable console, and the only way to play it on a portable is P3P.

It's summer, i hate playing on home consoles, it's too hot.

Also, the social links are not that different.
The other cutscenes are.

 

[Yaweee]

Also I never realized that the characters commented on relationship crap when the slink is maxed out (and on a lover's path) while you're running around in Tartarus. Found that out by accident, and got some funny lines where they argued with each other.

That was added in FES (or at least many more lines were), as talking to them in the previous versions was used to change their equipment, etc. They change things regularly; at least once a month or more depending on S. Links.

Middle of November, finally maxed the last of my social stats, and a few ranks away from maxing Ken's S. Link. There's 5 night S. Links with MShe, not 6 like I had first thought. Still, I wish there was even more of a night phase crunch like there was in P4. It's a huge improvement over P3 or FES but could be better.

 

[firehawk12]

I'm disappointed that the male butler outfits have crappy stats, while the female ones are awesome.

Also I never realized that the characters commented on relationship crap when the slink is maxed out (and on a lover's path) while you're running around in Tartarus. Found that out by accident, and got some funny lines where they argued with each other.

Yeah, that happens in P4 as well... although they never really catch on. :lol

 

[Yaweee]

But really, the question here is: would you play Persona 3 on the Ps2 right now? if the answer is yes; sure, you should play that version instead of being pissed off.

But really, the question here is: Do you really want the game to be 30-40 hours longer, with considerably worse pacing and slower game speed? If the answer is yes; sure, you should play that version instead of being pissed off.

 

[Forkball]

A little off topic, but does anyone think there will be a Persona 4 portable? Many consider it to be head and shoulders above P3, so I'm wondering why P3 gets so many editions while P4 is kind of left out.

 

[I AM JOHN!]

But really, the question here is: Do you really want the game to be 30-40 hours longer, with considerably worse pacing and slower game speed? If the answer is yes; sure, you should play that version instead of being pissed off.

I fail to see how pacing problems core to the game's story and setting somehow become better when you make the game a little bit faster and strip out the atmosphere.

A little off topic, but does anyone think there will be a Persona 4 portable? Many consider it to be head and shoulders above P3, so I'm wondering why P3 gets so many editions while P4 is kind of left out.

You cannot improve perfection.

Spoiler

But dammit, I'm sure they'll try.

 

[firehawk12]

They could add skill cards. :lol

 

[Deadly]

PSP happened.

But really, the question here is: would you play Persona 3 on the Ps2 right now? if the answer is yes; sure, you should play that version instead of being pissed off.

But some other people think the game is perfect on a portable console, and the only way to play it on a portable is P3P.

It's summer, i hate playing on home consoles, it's too hot.

Also, the social links are not that different.
The other cutscenes are.

Ok I guess I should rephrase myself, pissed might have been too much of a word. I'm more like disappointed in myself for not buying the game when FES came out. Sure I'd rather have animated cutscenes and whatever it had but the portable version is still great.

 

[semiconscious]

A little off topic, but does anyone think there will be a Persona 4 portable? Many consider it to be head and shoulders above P3, so I'm wondering why P3 gets so many editions while P4 is kind of left out.

because those many are dead wrong, & p3 is positively the better of the 2? ...

actually, i'd be dumbfounded if p4p isn't in the works right now, & isn't available (in japan, anyway) next year...

 

[I AM JOHN!]

They could add skill cards. :lol

Yes I agree, they should add a kind of broken element to an otherwise fine game and fuck with it.

Spoiler

It's fine in P3P because Game Panic already breaks the game.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

anywhere i can import this to the UK?

 

[semiconscious]

I fail to see how pacing problems core to the game's story and setting somehow become better when you make the game a little bit faster and strip out the atmosphere.

agreed. p3p was a great way to re-experience the game, but the ps2 version's the definitive experience, & the laid-back pacing's part of the reason why. it all felt of a piece to me...

i mean, what's the rush? - in for 80 hrs, in for 100 ...

 

[Yaweee]

I fail to see how pacing problems core to the game's story and setting somehow become better when you make the game a little bit faster and strip out the atmosphere.

Instead of 7-10 hours between major plot events, it is 4-7 hours, most of which is trimmed from the non-Tartarus portions of the game. I really hated how long there was between major story events in both P3/P4, and how infrequently it was necessary to do dungeon exploration and combat.

Making the game significantly tighter is an improvement to the pacing.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

They better do P2P first. Both games in one package.

And this version of Maya's theme added plz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_el0gpzUR2w

 

[Minamu]

anywhere i can import this to the UK?

It's on backorder on both www.videogamesplus.ca and www.axelmusic.com but I can recommend both of them. I got mine from vgp.

I AM JOHN: Your avatar fits you so well :lol You are so damn grumpy!