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[yazenov]

sure starfield flys in to the rescue for september. right?

A 11/10 Starfield won't save the Xbox according to Phil.

Jokes on him. The 84 Metacritic Starfield won't even move the needle.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Spain Week 35 August 28 - September 3:

Hardware:
PS5: 12.500
Switch: 3.000
XBS: 1.500

PS5 outselling XBS 7:1 is quite tame in Europe.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Fall guys?

Did she just assume their genders?

 

[Crayon]

They have to release stuff like Starfield on pc to not murder the new ip before it's even out. Same goes for anything they buy for the "spend sony out of business" strategy. They picked a bad time to start dropping tens of billions on that. They just effectively turned starfield into a "pc game" and that will happen for anything else they lock up.

 

[Spitfire098]

The memes of ps users also having a gaming pc came true?!?

 

[killatopak]

The memes of ps users also having a gaming pc came true?!?

I don’t know the context of this meme but I assume it to be true for serious reasons.

PCs are almost ubiquitous and have more functions beyond gaming. I myself require a beefy PC purely for work but it can function as my gaming PC if needed. It’s not that PS users have a gaming PC. It’s most likely that all people of different platforms have certain percentage of their user base own a gaming PC.

 

[Spitfire098]

I don’t know the context of this meme but I assume it to be true for serious reasons.

PCs are almost ubiquitous and have more functions beyond gaming. I myself require a beefy PC purely for work but it can function as my gaming PC if needed. It’s not that PS users have a gaming PC. It’s most likely that all people of different platforms have certain percentage of their user base own a gaming PC.

I don't recall exactly where it started, but from what I remember it's when Bethesda was acquired that ps users still don't need to buy an xbox since they already all have beefy pcs.

 

[Alphagear]

MS need to do what nintendo did and vastly differentiate the xb from playstation, the 2 brands are identical right now and thats ms fault for trying to be a better playstation than playstation.
The literal only chance ms got at being a better playstation was with the 360 and thats when PS and Sony leadership was going thru a shake up and caused turmoil for all of Sony’s divisions. PS had to fail for 360 to temporarily succeed.

Agree.

Not just differentiate from Playstation but also the PC.

For me currently a Playstation 5, Switch and PC is all I need.

 

[Alan Wake]

This is the month before Starfield...

Right now on Amazon.co.uk Xbox Series X is at #95 and Series S is at #98 while the PS5 is at #13 and #35 (digital).

Not saying Amazon is the place to go to have an idea on overall sales but it seems like September not much will change. It may surpass 6 year old Switch though.

edit: Interesing to see Spider-Man 2 is already the 3rd best selling game in there as well, and it only releases late next month. It's only surpassed by the new Fifa and the latest Zelda. That game is going to be doing some numbers for sure.

Well Spencer said so himself. "It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games all of a sudden you’re going to see console share shift in some dramatic way."

So, September will be basically the same then? Weird that releasing great games works for Nintendo and Sony.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

The GOAT

 

[L*][*N*K]

The video gives you her pronouns at the beginning, to avoid any confusion I guess

WHY AM I BEING INTRODUCED TO THIS PERSON?? ALL I ASKED WAS WHY THAT DUDE WAS USING WEIRD ASS EMOJIS

 

[Thirty7ven]

What's left at this stage?

The proverbial kitchen sink has been thrown out and they are too deep in the trenches with gamepass/day and date PC/xCloud etc to reverse any of that.

They have no choice but to go all in on the plan they have.

There’s 0 innovation coming from them that doesn’t revolve around services, their bread and butter. It’s what they got.

 

[Horseganador]

UK 2023
PS5 ~481K
NSW ~270K
X|S ~208K

 

[Unknown Soldier]

UK 2023
PS5 ~481K
NSW ~270K
X|S ~208K

Damn I thought PS to Xbox was 50:50 like in the US

 

[Zok310]

Well Spencer said so himself. "It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games all of a sudden you’re going to see console share shift in some dramatic way."

So, September will be basically the same then? Weird that releasing great games works for Nintendo and Sony.

Starfield and Redfall are not great games tho. They seem to be both outdated and does nothing new for the medium, you not gonna pull gamers from switch and ps4/5 with poor offerings like this, its a literal downgrade for that gamer if they did migrate over for those 2 games.
How do you get gamers to walk away from the mobility, libary and convenience of the NS?
How do you get them to walk away from the fidelity, the controller, and library of the PS5?

 

[Elysium44]

Starfield and Redfall are not great games tho. They seem to be both outdated and does nothing new for the medium, you not gonna pull gamers from switch and ps4/5 with poor offerings like this, its a literal downgrade for that gamer if they did migrate over for those 2 games.
How do you get gamers to walk away from the mobility, libary and convenience of the NS?
How do you get them to walk away from the fidelity, the controller, and library of the PS5?

Anecdotally I have seen some people with PS5s saying they are getting an Xbox to play Starfield. Although whether there are enough people doing that to offset the revenue Microsoft has left on the table by making it exclusive, is another question. I doubt it. I know they're playing the long game, trying to loss lead their way into putting Sony out of business but I don't think it's working, thankfully. Imagine how mediocre Xbox's first party output would be if there was no competition, it doesn't bear thinking about.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Anecdotally I have seen some people with PS5s saying they are getting an Xbox to play Starfield. Although whether there are enough people doing that to offset the revenue Microsoft has left on the table by making it exclusive, is another question. I doubt it. I know they're playing the long game, trying to loss lead their way into putting Sony out of business but I don't think it's working, thankfully. Imagine how mediocre Xbox's first party output would be if there was no competition, it doesn't bear thinking about.

It was leaked in one of the court documents that they had forecasted 10 million lost sales on PS5 for starfield.

 

[Venom Snake]

 

[RoadHazard]

It could happen, like how Sega went from 5% in 1989 to over 50% in 1994, but it requires real leadership and Microsoft doesn't have that.

They also don't deserve any better than they have been doing right now. Do better and get better!

They also did that in a much smaller market, consoles didn't sell 150 million back then.

 

[RoadHazard]

Or says they a much higher rated ps5 game called baldurs gate just out. But yes Spiderman is an easy sell.

They wouldn't say that though, because there's no physical version of BG3.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

They also did that in a much smaller market, consoles didn't sell 150 million back then.

Exactly. Plus, brands are far more established now, in addition to digital content. Would be much harder to convince a lot of those people to abandon ship (hence why Microsoft even acknowledged this). It would take something FAR worse than a PS3-type situation for Xbox to ever overtake PlayStation on the global stage. They just don't have the world appeal.

That said, what can happen is an improvement of the brand overall, but Microsoft is going to have to do more than release a Starfield for that space ship to head there.

 

[I'm nobody]

The UK is currently blocking them from buying Activision Blizzard and taking control of Call of Duty but that may change by October

No one will run out and buy a Xbox just for call of duty and the state of Xbox games
Could be bad for future cod games

 

[Luminoth-4545]

InstallBase estimates (based on monthly increases/decreases), Credit: Welfare

	PS5	NSW	XBS	Total
Jan	58,000	38,000	29,000	125,000
Feb	74,000	32,000	34,000	140,000
Mar	71,000	32,000	31,000	134,000
Apr	47,000	41,000	21,000	109,000
May	36,000	39,000	19,000	94,000
June	57,000	34,000	28,000	119,000
July	58,000	29,000	23,000	110,000
Aug	82,000	27,000	26,000	135,000
YTD	483,000	272,000	211,000	966,000

Biggest month of the Year for PS5, European shipments for this current quarter are going to be big.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Current Gen at the end of 2022:

GFK(UK): CY 2022

Yearly UK Sales since 2020

2020
NSW - 1.47M
PS5 - 450K
XBS - 310k

2021
NSW - 1.22M
PS5 - 1.15M
XBS - 850K

2022
NSW - 880K
PS5 - 770K
XBS - 720K

2023 YTD
PS5 - 483K
NSW - 272K
XBS - 211K

If each console maintains their current YTD increase/decrease for the whole year:

2023
PS5 - 1.23M (up 60%)
NSW - 792K (down 10%)
XBS - 554K (down 23%)

 

[DeepEnigma]

Current Gen at the end of 2022:
GFK(UK): CY 2022

Yearly UK Sales since 2020

2020
NSW - 1.47M
PS5 - 450K
XBS - 310k

2021
NSW - 1.22M
PS5 - 1.15M
XBS - 850K

2022
NSW - 880K
PS5 - 770K
XBS - 720K

2023 YTD
PS5 - 485K
NSW - 274K
XBS - 213K

If each console maintains their current YTD increase/decrease:

2023
PS5 - 1.23M (up 60%)
NSW - 790K (down 10%)
XBS - 554K (down 23%)

Damn.

 

[noobie]

Current Gen at the end of 2022:

GFK(UK): CY 2022

Yearly UK Sales since 2020

2020
NSW - 1.47M
PS5 - 450K
XBS - 310k

2021
NSW - 1.22M
PS5 - 1.15M
XBS - 850K

2022
NSW - 880K
PS5 - 770K
XBS - 720K

2023 YTD
PS5 - 483K
NSW - 272K
XBS - 211K

If each console maintains their current YTD increase/decrease for the whole year:

2023
PS5 - 1.23M (up 60%)
NSW - 792K (down 10%)
XBS - 554K (down 23%)

If XBS hit less than 720k then it means that 2021 sales > 2022 sales > 2023 sales, which is quite depressing. !!!

 

[TheGodfather07]

So PS5 so far in 2023 is over 2 to 1 in the UK and close to that in the US too. Xbox is losing further ground in their strongest countries. At what point do they throw in the towel? How bad does it need to get?

 

[Unknown?]

So PS5 so far in 2023 is over 2 to 1 in the UK and close to that in the US too. Xbox is losing further ground in their strongest countries. At what point do they throw in the towel? How bad does it need to get?

When there are no more publishers to buy.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

So PS5 so far in 2023 is over 2 to 1 in the UK and close to that in the US too. Xbox is losing further ground in their strongest countries. At what point do they throw in the towel? How bad does it need to get?

I honestly think they’ll end up as a 3rd party publisher and this isn’t a bad thing. They can potentially be the biggest publisher in every sense of the word.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

So PS5 so far in 2023 is over 2 to 1 in the UK and close to that in the US too. Xbox is losing further ground in their strongest countries. At what point do they throw in the towel? How bad does it need to get?

Spencer basically already threw in the towel during that interview where he stated releasing games won't make a difference.

It's just the Xbox fanbase and a group of multi-platform gamers who are in denial.

 

[Crayon]

Wait a little longer to guess the future of xb consoles. If a PS5 pro comes out and an xb pro doesn't, it's time to reassess.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

GfK Panel of retailers only cover 90% of the UK market according to users on InstallBase

Aug
PS5 - 82K
NSW - 27K
XBS - 26k

2023 YTD
PS5 - 483K
NSW - 272K
XBS - 211K

If we extrapolate for the full market

Aug
PS5 - 90K
NSW - 30K
XBS - 29k

2023 YTD
PS5 - 532K
NSW - 300K
XBS - 233K