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RTTP: Ninja Gaiden Black
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cyanide4suicide
Neo Member
NGB is the king of character action games.
Alma is the worst.
Is this game BC on the Xbone? Is NG2? I want to replay black and never got around to play 2.
Greatest Action Game of All Time!
I don't believe I've replayed any games more than I have Resident Evil 4 or Ninja Gaiden Black.
I would absolutely love to see a Steam and console release of a Ninja Gaiden collection with NG:Black, NG2 and NG3:RE. It would be great not only to have the collection, but to be able to choose the Sigma version or non Sigma version of each NG1&2.
Edit: Alma may be a tough fight, but I still think fighting TWO of your Doppelgangers at once in Master Ninja mode was insanely difficult. Besides the infinite ninpo and shurikens, the doppelgangers showed you how amazingly equipped Ryu truly is for tackling the challenges of the game.
I don't believe I've replayed any games more than I have Resident Evil 4 or Ninja Gaiden Black.
I would absolutely love to see a Steam and console release of a Ninja Gaiden collection with NG:Black, NG2 and NG3:RE. It would be great not only to have the collection, but to be able to choose the Sigma version or non Sigma version of each NG1&2.
Edit: Alma may be a tough fight, but I still think fighting TWO of your Doppelgangers at once in Master Ninja mode was insanely difficult. Besides the infinite ninpo and shurikens, the doppelgangers showed you how amazingly equipped Ryu truly is for tackling the challenges of the game.
Demoskinos
Member
There are enemies that have direct hard counters to things like flying swallow. At least on higher difficulties. Even moves like izuna drop can be easily countered due to the hefty recovery time. Those moves can be abused for their I frames but you still have to know when to use them. Spamming them will still get you in trouble.
ArclightBorealis
Member
Still play this game regularly, and only recently finally got around to beating Mission Mode. The payoff after spending nearly an hour on Eternal Legend is certainly elating.
It still plays so damn well over a decade later, and it along with NGII show how very few other games attempt to go for this style of combat compared to DMC or other similarly stylish games. saying whether a game is all about defense or offence is to sort of miss the point with this series, as it's about efficiency. Your block and defensive roll work well to get you through the game comfortably the first time. Then as you go higher and higher, you have to step up and starting being more offensive, hit enemies out of their attacks and break their guard with various techniques. And then you take all that you've learned and acquired skill wise and apply that to Karma Runs and other additional self made challenges to push yourself even further. The last game I played where I felt this transition from safe, defensive moves to full offensive tactics worked and was intended by design was in Demon's Souls. Especially with the items that boost your attack power when at low health, not unlike that of the Unlabored Flawlessness. You go from a fragile character to a fucking glass cannon and it's beautiful.
One of these days hopefully I'll be able to undertake a Master Ninja run. Getting through Very Hard on Black and Sigma both was quite an ordeal, and when I tried MN on Sigma I couldn't even get to the save point after an hour.
Too bad current Team Ninja will never understand what made 1 and 2 so excellent mechanically and build on that framework in a meaningful way. Though I'm willing for them to prove me wrong.
It still plays so damn well over a decade later, and it along with NGII show how very few other games attempt to go for this style of combat compared to DMC or other similarly stylish games. saying whether a game is all about defense or offence is to sort of miss the point with this series, as it's about efficiency. Your block and defensive roll work well to get you through the game comfortably the first time. Then as you go higher and higher, you have to step up and starting being more offensive, hit enemies out of their attacks and break their guard with various techniques. And then you take all that you've learned and acquired skill wise and apply that to Karma Runs and other additional self made challenges to push yourself even further. The last game I played where I felt this transition from safe, defensive moves to full offensive tactics worked and was intended by design was in Demon's Souls. Especially with the items that boost your attack power when at low health, not unlike that of the Unlabored Flawlessness. You go from a fragile character to a fucking glass cannon and it's beautiful.
One of these days hopefully I'll be able to undertake a Master Ninja run. Getting through Very Hard on Black and Sigma both was quite an ordeal, and when I tried MN on Sigma I couldn't even get to the save point after an hour.
Too bad current Team Ninja will never understand what made 1 and 2 so excellent mechanically and build on that framework in a meaningful way. Though I'm willing for them to prove me wrong.
Yea it was all Itagaki. You don't even need to go so far as 3, just look at the Sigmas.
MMaRsu
Banned
NGB's soundtrack is phenomenal, too. Often goes unmentioned in gaming soundtrack discussions but I think it's one of the best of its generation. Some personal favorite tracks:
Vanished Memories
Stand in the Way
Revival of the Dead
Aquaduct
Distorted World
Vanished Memories
Stand in the Way
Revival of the Dead
Aquaduct
Distorted World
Hesemonni
Banned
This is just plain wrong.
No they're not lmfao
You very obviously didn't play both of them if you think they are 95% the same game.
Literally every enemy encounter in Sigma is different. It uses the same maps, but that's it.
â Narayan
Member
He's telling the truth. I personally unlocked Very Hard on my first play through Sigma through the Doku fight.
Coriolanus
Banned
Yeah, its just that i've never played NGB on normal, having a save file of the regular NB, so i was all "wut?", given that starting on the second level you'll meet enemies that really wont take long before they decide to get all touchy-feely with your guard.
tbh, the higher the difficulty goes, the more the player will have to chain UT's and izuna drops, i guess.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The majority of the encounters are the exact same. Sigma added a few new ones like the motorcycle battle outside the bar.
Some item locations are different. And it doesn't always use the same maps, a couple of those were changed. In the airship, the cargo bay near you're starting point is now totally empty and big, since there's a new Fiend Challenge there. One of the doors in the city are not present. And in the underground of the temple before the first Alma fight, one of the two rooms you need to hit the lever for the tentacle boss rematch was completely different in Sigma. I recall a small change to the Fire/Ice chapter as well, namely the Fire part of that level. Beyond that, the ghost fish maze was the same. The rest of the airship was the same. The village in chapter 2 was the same minus the Sigma addition at the very end. The first level was the same. The military base, I don't remember but there was a small change I believe. The sewer (aqueducts) were the same. The underwater chapter after the sewer I remember being better in Sigma, and part of that I think was because a small portion of the map was cut out. And of course the whole ending tower was the same.
edit: oh and the pyramid after awakened alma was severely shortened in Sigma. Not the same map at all.
They are. For sure. I played both extensively back in the day.
Dancing Queen
Banned
Yep. Doing that right now...
GeekyDad
Member
It took brass balls to make a game like NG(B). Only game I can think of that tests you as to your worthiness before allowing you to play the game proper. I mean, if you could beat the first part of the game and first boss, you were pretty much ready. Took 18 playthroughs before I could put that game away. I was hooked for a good, long while. Funny enough, it wasn't until Demon's Souls that I was that hooked again on a game.
Heh never even played any of the sigma games I believe ^_^
Itagaki da boss
I'm questioning that after trying 'Devil's Third'. Exactly what the hell did I play?!
Neoleo2143
Member
An unfortunate roadblock in Itagaki's career. Give the man the resources he needs and he can do good things with his ambition.
â Narayan
Member
I think that was caught in development Hell mainly because THQ went under. I have heard great things about the multiplayer though. Speaking of which, I wonder if the PC version will ever get an English release?
BKatastrophe
Member
...I never bothered to do that...aGame is the goat.
I never had too much trouble with Alma. Granted, I only ever played on Normal, and I only every played the OG and Sigma, never Black (I know, right?). The boss that gives me the most trouble is Ghost Doku. Well, actually the second Alma fight gave me more trouble than the first.
JumpJeff84
Member
Top 5 of all time no doubt
I'm also playing this right now. The main reason being that I want to finally make it past Alma.
It's so good. There's no other game that feels like this.
So no, it wasn't all Itagaki.
It's so good. There's no other game that feels like this.
It's clear that Team Ninja isn't quite the same without Itagaki. It's also clear that Itagaki can't get shit done without Team Ninja.
So no, it wasn't all Itagaki.
Yeah
Wish the entire game just stayed in the first couple of areas.
The first couple of areas in Ninja Gaiden is the most ninja thing ever until they put you on a fucking blimp.
