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So I have the art book for the Ghost in the Shell (2017) movie... [SPOILERS obviousl]

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So yeh, the movie is out at the end of the month but Amazon shipped me the art book today.

If you've seen any of my comments in other GitS movie threads, you'll note that I'm actually really wary of how the film is going to turn out, as well as several other issues. But I collect art books as i enjoy seeing the work that goes into stuff, so i picked this up.

Anyway that is enough rambling — from this point on there will be unmarked spoilers and if you want to avoid it then back out of the thread now.

*Additionally pls don't ask me to post scans, as 1) I don't really want to and 2) GAF rules frown on it*

lol @ this quote from the book's intro
Over the years several filmmakers have attempted to adapt the saga into a live-action film, but none of the projects ultimately came into fruition. That is, until 2015, when a team led by producers Avi and Ari Avad (the father-son team team behind Iron Man) and director Rupert Sanders finally got a live action version of the story off the ground. Sanders, who'd had a smash hit with his first film, Snow White and the Huntsman, had shown he was both a superior visual stylist and able to deliver a thrilling film driven by a dynamic and multidimensional female character.

If Sanders had the right stuff for a live-action reimagining of the story, there was also an actress with an incredible filmography that made her a perfect fit for the role of lead character Major Killian: Scarlett Johansson. As Black Widow in the Marvel cinematic universe, she'd shone as an action heroine; as Lucy in Luc Besson's sci-fi action film of the same name, she'd excelled as a vulnerable yet potentially deadly woman evolving into something beyond human; and as an artificial intelligence in Her, she'd ben charming, enchanting, and yet ultimately nonhuman, and therefore unattainable. Johansson had the allure, the intensity, the charisma, and the acting skills to bring the Major to life.

"There's very few Scarlett Johanssons," says Sanders with a smiile. "Globally, there's very few actresses who have that kind of edge to them. She's got a very cyberpunk edge to her. She's tough... She showed she could be an action movie star. It's hard to be a movie star and it' very hard to be an action movie star. And she had all of those facets. That to me was the Major."


This is all random stuff taken from/confirmed by the book:

PLOT STUFF
— The Major is indeed known as Mira Killian in the film
— They are indeed using Kuze in the film, but as a kind of hybrid of the Puppetmaster, Laughing Man & Kuze in one character... and only really serves as antagonist for first half of the film. Second half is Section 6/Hanka/tank battle.
— There is a diagram that quickly sums up Sanders' initial plan for the Major's arc.
I won't try to recreate it here, but basically unless they have deviated, then the arbook confirms what i said here:

all the current marketing has implied that this is going to be a "who am I" story.

I'm not going to dive into whether thats what GitS is at its core
, (for me its not).
But the current speculation is that ScarJo is "Mira Killian" now and will... 'discover' that she was once actually Motoko Kusanagi.

If so there is probably someone somewhere patting themselves on the back for coming up with that and thinking that they've come up with a great plot-twist and are actually somehow honouring the source material by doing this.

...Meanwhile what they are actually doing is salting what was a whitewashed casting wound as it is.

BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF
— WETA Works worked on a lot of the design, props and practical effects. There's a lot of excellent work they've done here.
— Avi Arad already feels the is enough content to mine for sequels. He went after the GitS IP rights after he "parted ways with Marvel". It took 3 years of initial planning to work a deal with Kodansha, and another year just to get the contracts done.
— Steven Spielberg's Amblin company was involved in overseeing the project and early script stuff at one point.
— Sanders didn't like the script he was initially shown by Spielberg (it was apparently "very different from the original"), so ended up digging through SAC and appropriating parts that he thought he could use to make it more GitS-esque. This led to him allegedly creating his own 100 page graphic novel to mock up which story beats he wanted to use.
— Then this got handed over to screenwriters and they dug through more of the material (Innocence is specifically mentioned here so make of that what you will), to flesh out the movie...
— For the shelling scene WETA needed to build a ScarJo body that would look anatomically correct. They built it in layers and it took them 5 months, and has an internal skeleton of over 1400 parts. They were unable to get the black bones to show up in the hands on film, and solved it through creating new special transparent bones that were hollow - and filling the hollow por5ions with black paint.
— I'm not gonna comment on this, just gonna quote this verbatim:
One of the most notable aspects of Ghost in the Shell's cadre of dynamic characters is the sense that they have been assembled from all over the globe, the filmmakers having put together a multicultural ensemble that gives the film its own identity, differing from the manga and anime, which have a distinctive Japanese milieu. The film still as a strong Japanese sensibility, however, through the presence of of acclaimed Japanese actors including Takeshi Kitano and Rila Fukushima
— That said they have no qualms with continuing to use the east-asian futuristic Hong Kong/megacity archetype and Japanese aesthetics, because the backstory is that there have been several major wars, the remains super powers are the US, UK, China & Japan, and apparently they have formed a "Great Power Faction". Now most cities are a mix of nationalities and hybridised culture mishmash.

...there's a lot more and i might add some extra later. still skimming through right now.
 
The Spider Tank looks like an upside down ASUS router
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_Rob_

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Oh dear, this just sounds worse by the day. I'm sure the target audience are people who have no prior knowledge of the source material, but it still needs to be a good film to succeed.

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I truly hope I'm wrong.
 

- J - D -

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So supposedly he did a deep dive into GitS, Innocence, and SAC for story ideas...and somehow what we now end up with is another Robocop-lite.

edit: thanks for posting that info, op.
 

duckroll

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"There's very few Scarlett Johanssons," says Sanders with a smiile. "Globally, there's very few actresses who have that kind of edge to them. She's got a very cyberpunk edge to her. She's tough... She showed she could be an action movie star. It's hard to be a movie star and it' very hard to be an action movie star. And she had all of those facets. That to me was the Major."


LOL. There are very few actresses who play these roles because everyone KEEPS GIVING THE SAME ROLES TO SCARLETT JOHANSSON!
 

Moonkid

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So supposedly he did a deep dive into GitS, Innocence, and SAC for story ideas...and somehow what we now end up with is another Robocop-lite.

edit: thanks for posting that info, op.
Haha pretty much. Makes sense given that they seem to be pulling a Zack Snyder and adapting the superficial while missing the heart. With due respect to Snyder though, Watchmen as a whole looked pretty good and convincing with its translations to the silver screen.
 
Doesn't sound horrible to be honest. Good thing they went back to the source material and other media, rather than just making stuff up and come across as being embarrassed to be associated with the source material like many other movies are.
 

Kyonashi

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One of the most notable aspects of Ghost in the Shell's cadre of dynamic characters is the sense that they have been assembled from all over the globe, the filmmakers having out together a multicultural ensemble that gives the film its own identity, differing from the manga and anime, which have a distinctive Japanese milieu. The film still as a strong Japanese sensibility, however, through the presence of acclaimed Japanese actors including Takeshi Kitano and Rila Fukushima

Rila Fukushima, for reference, is playing "Android Geisha".

They can fuck off with this shit.

I'm so disappointed. A lot of the styling of this film actually looks great, and with a non-white-male director, a better script, and a Japanese star this could have been *so dope*.
 

Ratrat

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Rila Fukushima, for reference, is playing "Android Geisha".

They can fuck off with this shit. I'm so disappointed. A lot of the styling of this film actually looks great, with a non-white-male director, a better script, and a Japanese star this could have been *so dope*.
I laughed at the acclaimed part though. You can't put those two in the same sentence like that.
 
They have basically doubled down on ScarJo casting. I won't quote any more (because there is a fair amount of it across the book) but there is a lot of ScarJo-worship from Sanders, Oshii, other cast members.

There was a chance that they could have actually played it much differently and had her whitewashing be some kind of meta commentary of corporate interests molding suppressing/replacing cultural identity for their own benefits, but I lost a hope of them consciously doing that after reading their "we replaced the Japanese cast and this is now better because it's more diverse" section 9 part.

So supposedly he did a deep dive into GitS, Innocence, and SAC for story ideas...and somehow what we now end up with is another Robocop-lite.

edit: thanks for posting that info, op.

basically yes. It's the robocop story wrapped up in GitS art / design / characters.

There is an image that basically states Major's journey is going to be a sequence of:

- LOST (who/what am I?)
- to being prompted by the "villain" to search for her own "ID"
- to REALISATION of I am (was?) Motoko Kusanagi
- to some kind of action (I will fix this)
- ACCEPTANCE (I am who I am)

I'm pretty sure they will play the last part in a post-Motoko/Puppetmaster way and Mira Killian will be the permanent new identity.
I can see it ending with some faux high brow monologue on identity not just about being the body your in etc etc, that they think is true to the spirit of GitS and serves a metacommentary on identity and diversity — completely obtuse to the metacommentary they themselves are sending with the way this has all been handled.
 

ExitPotato

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Would you rather they not address it?

Addressing a real world issue with the content of the film with an in-universe explanation is almost never done well enough to dismiss the real world issue. Here is as if they are saying 'Yes, the Major should be Japanese, but we don't want to cast a Japanese actress so our back story is that she is a Japanese woman who was turned into an American woman via some in-universe technobabble before the events of the film'.

I really hope it's not like as blatant as that in the real film. I had some hope it could still be a decent adaptation even if it wasn't faithful to the main character's ethnicity. But this just comes across in poor taste.
 
Addressing a real world issue with the content of the film with an in-universe explanation is almost never done well enough to dismiss the real world issue. Here is as if they are saying 'Yes, the Major should be Japanese, but we don't want to cast a Japanese actress so our back story is that she is a Japanese woman who was turned into an American woman via some in-universe technobabble before the events of the film'.

I really hope it's not like as blatant as that in the real film. I had some hope it could still be a decent adaptation even if it wasn't faithful to the main character's ethnicity. But this just comes across in poor taste.

It's pretty blatant, from people who have seen the movie now.

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Spoilers, duh: https://twitter.com/i/moments/846753296073342977
 
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