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so let me guess. FF11 wont run on Xbox 360 without HDD??. perfect
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FFXI can't work without an hard disk,Square re-confirmed that during the E3 interviews.
They said that a game like FFXI can't run without an hard disk because that would require very high speed connections and a lot of space per user and maintenance work on their servers which would lead to higher monthly fees.
For these reasons they also added that they're no sure to bring FFXI on the PS3 beacuse it hasn't standard hard disk.Guess they'll have to revise their plans :lol
They said that a game like FFXI can't run without an hard disk because that would require very high speed connections and a lot of space per user and maintenance work on their servers which would lead to higher monthly fees.
For these reasons they also added that they're no sure to bring FFXI on the PS3 beacuse it hasn't standard hard disk.Guess they'll have to revise their plans :lol
Shrike_Priest
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One would hope Sony does it so that the PS3 HDD works with FFXI for PS2.
Since it's going to be backwards compatible anyway, might as well got the extra mile and add HDD-support.
Since it's going to be backwards compatible anyway, might as well got the extra mile and add HDD-support.
Well, considering trying to get FFXI was a move prompted more by Japanese market needs, and we don't know anything about how the X360 launch will be packaged in Japan, there is the possibility that there will be one SKU that includes a HDD in the Japanese market, which might be acceptable to Square in this case.
Just speculation.
Just speculation.
Die Squirrel Die
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teiresias said:
Given the Xbox's Japanese market share, a 'more prompted more by the Japanese market needs' is highly debatable, at least from Square's side of the equation. And those quotes from PhatSaqs would indicate that the HDD being standard (or so they thought) was a big motivating factor, and it's a motivating factor likely motivated by their experience with the PS2 HDD, which they had to pressure SCEA into releasing in the US and never came out in Europe, cutting out one console market all together.
Just because MS has got some Japanese developers on board doesn't mean that they are looking for the same thing.
Yoshi said:As online gaming doesn't work without HDD, FFXI can't be played without one.
I don't believe the Ps2 version of Everquest required a hard drive (at least it didn't when I was in beta). The game wasn't as graphicly detailed as FF11, but it is possible to run a online rpg on a console without using a hard drive.
It will just look like crap
Cherubae said:I don't believe the Ps2 version of Everquest required a hard drive (at least it didn't when I was in beta). The game wasn't as graphicly detailed as FF11, but it is possible to run a online rpg on a console without using a hard drive.
It will just look like crap
FFXI already has a sizable amount of patching on the PC and they'll have to do those patches for content on the X360 also.
PS2 EQ wasn't the same game as the PC one, so they could afford not to patch content.
Cherubae said:I don't believe the Ps2 version of Everquest required a hard drive (at least it didn't when I was in beta). The game wasn't as graphicly detailed as FF11, but it is possible to run a online rpg on a console without using a hard drive.
It will just look like crap
please people, stop mentioning everquest ps2.
its barely patched, the graphics are shit, horrid framerates, horrid support, NO content updates... mmorpgs need huge chunks of memory that can be accessed fast. a 64 mb card wont cut it. you're kidding yourselves if you think Square and Blizzard are gonna retool their mmorpgs to make a gimped streaming version for xbox 360. they will require a hdd, simple as that.
and making the hdd non-standard isnt gonna put the much wanted world of warcraft on 360 anytime soon. waste of time and resources.
Late Stage Marxist
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Redbeard has NPD....FROM THE FUTURE!!Redbeard said:
A small percentage of units sold will not include the hard drive? Cancel all development!
Razoric said:
Who the hell is going to buy the core system besides the utterly clueless? Moore said the SKUs would be heavily weighted toward the HDD version anyway.
Besides, do you really think Square was in the dark, when every other developer was told not to count on the HDD? Like it's some big surprise that's going to send them running and putting their MMOs exlcusively on PS3? This seems to be the scenario you have playing out in your head.
Doom_Bringer
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Mrbob said:
:lol
Redbeard said:
Square knew at some point I'm sure... the problem is Square's statements don't jive with MS' current stance(X360 w/o HD), so I'm curious about the timetable on everything... I'm actually really curious to see if there is any effect on future output from Square.
You can post that quote all you want, it doesn't make any sense.
Either that guy didn't know what he was talking about when he said that, the translation was off, or by "standard" he meant "shipping with the primary version".
MS has been in talks with them for years, they've been telling every other developer not to count on the HDD, and yet somehow Square didn't know? That was one of the very first rumors we heard about the next Xbox, so it's not like it's a recent thing.
Either that guy didn't know what he was talking about when he said that, the translation was off, or by "standard" he meant "shipping with the primary version".
MS has been in talks with them for years, they've been telling every other developer not to count on the HDD, and yet somehow Square didn't know? That was one of the very first rumors we heard about the next Xbox, so it's not like it's a recent thing.
Redbeard said:
Initially.
When things get hotter in terms of competition, and MS realises the wider market wants the lower priced option, the proportions will start swinging in favour of the non-premium version. Most people beyond the hardcore will look for the cheapest entry possible.
Razoric said:
Well, that's the thing. The core system won't sell great at first but over the long time it'll sell the most. This is what sucks. Lets just say Xbox 360 ends up selling 45 million total worldwide. Ok, how many of those do you think will be core bundles? Probably like 40 million over the long run. Which means 5 million users with the hdd. I doubt we'll see developers taking advantage of the hdd for such a small userbase with hdd installed. Coupled with the insanely high price of the 64MB memory card....why split skus? Ugh.
FortNinety
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Redbeard said:
* looks at any to ten list from this country
Razoric said:
And that's where you are wrong.
Rhindle hinted that the core system will be terminated in the very near future and the premium system will get down to $300-$350 bucks.
Now I don't know why should I believe Rhindle but he was spot on on earlier issues.
Core Pack = Dead Alley but a great PR spin and MS knows that. After all they are the king of FUD not without a reason.
Borys said:
I REALLY doubt that will be the case. If anything, the reason MS removed the dependency on the HDD was to be able to streamline the console later on the and sell it at a premium (e.g. PSTWO.) I am almost sure the HDD is the biggest reason they weren't able to do this without a big price hit on Xbox. I think it's very likely we'll see the Core System with a MU and a game being bundled for $299 when the PS3 is released.
Dammit, I'm still annoyed I'll be paying for a tiny 20GB hard disk. WTFBBQ!
Yeah. They want the flexibility of not being tied down to the HDD when it comes to streamlining the console later. This is the sole purpose of having games that use but do not require the HDD. They couldnt streamline the Xbox by dropping the HDD since it would break games that required it and split the market.IJoel said:
Even with this, I still see NO REASON for the damn dumbass pack.
krypt0nian
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Just don't buy the ghetto core system and you have no problem.
Hurricane_Chris
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Besides Square testing the waters with Microsoft why is there so much talk about FF11? A MMORPG isn't really a console mover is it? That said, FF11 for Revolution -- the only "next-gen" console with any internal storage by default! :lol
Legal Step
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The irony of this situation isn't lost on me. Square complained when Sony abandoned the Hard Drive in their newer model yet Microsoft does the same thing and Square is feeling the Microsoft love.
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