Kagey K
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Gold is always left out of the discussion even though that's the model PS+ based itself on.A pretty weird comparison.
That's like saying Xbox Gold subbers are at 40 million subscribers and PS Now has 4 million.
Gold is always left out of the discussion even though that's the model PS+ based itself on.A pretty weird comparison.
That's like saying Xbox Gold subbers are at 40 million subscribers and PS Now has 4 million.
A few things wrong with this post but I’ll focus on these ones.- PlayStation is on first position, while Xbox is on the last.
- PS+ has almost 50 million subscribers, while Gamepass has 25 million subscribers.
- PS+ is profitable, while the Gamepass model still hasn't proved itself to be self-sustainable and profitable in the long term.
If it exists as rumored it's going to flop spectacularly, but we will never know, because they will report all users as 1 number regardless of what tier they are on.So pretty much zero changes other than adding timed trials to PS Now. Don’t really understand the hype in that case.
A big portion of PS Now games are downloadable.
PS Now Downloadable Games - PS Plus Guide
Many PlayStation Now games are available to download. Almost all PS4 and PS2 games are downloadable, to play from your console with no latency issues.psnowguide.com
Nope, not a weird comparison because XLG subscribers were converted to GP through the $1 upgrade path.A pretty weird comparison.
That's like saying Xbox Gold subbers are at 40 million subscribers and PS Now has 4 million.
Essentially it would be like MS removing EA access from game pass and adding another tier of Game Pass+ that included it.If it exists as rumored it's going to flop spectacularly, but we will never know, because they will report all users as 1 number regardless of what tier they are on.
As the rumors exist its:
Ps+
10/month
Ps+ Now
12/month
Ps+ Now and Trials and classic games. 16/month
The 16/month seems like a mix between EA Access demos and Nintendo Online.
XLG users were converted to GP- conveniently forgetting the xbox gold subs
That's only if GP is actually a successful model to entice users in comparison to PS's offering. If it's not, why would Sony lose market share?- first or last, Sony can innovate and stay competitive or lose market share. You don't stay on top by sitting on your hands.
Source?- Gamepass is already breaking even, it's all gravy from here
Again, that's based on the assumption that you want to go there in the first place. For that, GP model has to prove that it is significantly more profitable than Sony's current profit model.- Subscription based models take years to cultivate and get to profit stages
I don't think there's any evidence for that last point. The "engagement" metrics are a myth. Money is the only thing that matters for businesses, not many how brakes were hit in GT7 or how many bullets were fired in Destiny.- Provides consistent cash flows that indivual games can't guarantee
- Prevents competitors from chipping away at thier user base by offering a better value
- Keeps players busy and active in the PlayStation ecosystem, leads to add on sales
Some were, some weren't. You have any way to quantify who are still gold subscribers and who were converted?Nope, not a weird comparison but XLG subscribers were converted to GP through the $1 upgrade path.
If it exists as rumored it's going to flop spectacularly, but we will never know, because they will report all users as 1 number regardless of what tier they are on.
As the rumors exist its:
Ps+
10/month
Ps+ Now
12/month
Ps+ Now and Trials and classic games. 16/month
The 16/month seems like a mix between EA Access demos and Nintendo Online.
Yep. I am in a country where I don't officially have PS Now. I still got that subscription for like $40 a year and I could download (not stream) all the downloadable games. That library just works like PS+, except the fact that some games eventually leave.Oh really? Well this is why you here Omali lol
I completely forgot, I don't have it, don't plan on using it, so any update like that wasn't really on my mind. Maybe I should give a fuck if they really do fuse those services and I can just download what I want. I'll keep a closer eye on this then normal lol
So according to you all Xbox Gold gamers are forced to be GP subbers? And it's currently capped at 25M GP users?XLG users were converted to GP
Oh we’re still doing this crap even like 5 years since game pass launched are we? Everyone still using their free trials every time a new first party game comes out, and then sharing with their dozen family members?Nope, not a weird comparison because XLG subscribers were converted to GP through the $1 upgrade path.
I think they're pretty close, but I think Sony is the #1 company whether you look at it from the perspective of third-party support, console sale unit, or total revenue.A few things wrong with this post but I’ll focus on these ones.
1. Nintendo is first place, Sony is second.
That was the case but it's not anymore, as XLG users were converted to GP through the $1 upgrade path.2. PS+ is not equivalent to Game Pass, it’s equivalent to Xbox Live Gold. Game Pass is a separate subscription.
"sustainable" is a very vague term. Anyway, I used the word "self-sustainable" and "profitable." I'm sure if this service was profitable, MS would be shouting it off the top of rooftops, considering they have changed the direction of the division and put all their baskets in GP.3. Extends from 2 - Xbox Live is profitable too. Microsoft have said game pass is sustainable so any suggestion otherwise is pure speculation that’s going against what they have said, and I’m pretty sure they know a bit better than you.
Who knew Heinsenberg007 had secret knowledge all Xbox Gold gamers converted to GP subbers with perfect 100% correlation.Oh we’re still doing this crap even like 5 years since game pass launched are we? Everyone still using their free trials every time a new first party game comes out, and then sharing with their dozen family members?
Gold = PS+
That’s all there is to it. You don’t compare game pass subscribers to PS+ subscribers because they’re not the same thing. Any attempt to continue saying they’re the same is just straight up console warring.
I’m sure you’ll never get so much as a warning for it though so you’ll just keep doing it.
When i say flop I really only mean for the highest tier.Maybe, maybe not.
I thought many subscription things would flop and here we are lol I wouldn't get many of them tbh, but I just don't speak for the majority to pretend as if this will flop cause I don't use it. So I don't really know how that set up will work in the future if this is true as who knows how many will be more comfortable getting games this way
"forced"? I never said that, but I do believe that the large majority of XLG users have been successfully converted to GP. That was also MS's goal wasn't it? Hence, the $1 upgrade path.So according to you all Xbox Gold gamers are forced to be GP subbers? And it's currently capped at 25M GP users?
I think he actually believes that MS just charged them 1.00 and automatically converted them all over, even though the last Gold number MS gave was at about 46 mil, before they stopped reporting.Who knew Heinsenberg007 had secret knowledge all Xbox Gold gamers converted to GP subbers with perfect 100% correlation.
I totally understand it, and like all of us, I don't have any way to quantify it. But I think it makes sense that the large majority of people would subscribe, don't you think?Some were, some weren't. You have any way to quantify who are still gold subscribers and who were converted?
It doesn't happen automatically, they have to manually choose to switch.
1. It’s not close at all lol. Nintendo make like twice the profit Sony do, and now have the top selling console for the current and previous generation. There’s no way in which Sony is number one other than in your head.I think they're pretty close, but I think Sony is the #1 company whether you look at it from the perspective of third-party support, console sale unit, or total revenue.
That was the case but it's not anymore, as XLG users were converted to GP through the $1 upgrade path.
"sustainable" is a very vague term. Anyway, I used the word "self-sustainable" and "profitable." I'm sure if this service was profitable, MS would be shouting it off the top of rooftops, considering they have changed the direction of the division and put all their baskets in GP.
It'd be one of the biggest recent success stories in the gaming industry, and I'm sure MS would announce and celebrate it once that is the case.
Oh wow. Seriously bro?Oh we’re still doing this crap even like 5 years since game pass launched are we? Everyone still using their free trials every time a new first party game comes out, and then sharing with their dozen family members?
Gold = PS+
That’s all there is to it. You seem to be under the impression that Xbox live gold doesn’t exist anymore and that all gold members got moved to game pass and they shut gold down? You don’t compare game pass subscribers to PS+ subscribers because they’re not the same thing.
Any attempt to continue saying they’re the same is just straight up console warring.
I’m sure you’ll never get so much as a warning for it though so you’ll just keep doing it.
LOLI think he actually believes that MS just charged them 1.00 and automatically converted them all over, even though the last Gold number MS gave was at about 46 mil, before they stopped reporting.
He actually did give a reasonable response after I posted that, so I will give the benefit of the doubt.LOL
I guess MS wasted their time adding a link to pay $1 having people choose to activate GP, when in reality they secretly converted all Gold gamers under their nose regardless.
And I thought when I activated it, the email receipt I got was due to me purchasing it. I didn't know MS automatically converted me without my approval. MS has such incredible timing, they masked their tactic by sending me an email receipt at the same minute I clicked the link to confirm.
I think he actually believes that MS just charged them 1.00 and automatically converted them all over, even though the last Gold number MS gave was at about 46 mil, before they stopped reporting.
1. It’s not close at all lol. Nintendo make like twice the profit Sony do, and now have the top selling console for the current and previous generation. There’s no way in which Sony is number one other than in your head.
2. No they weren’t lol. You need to stop spreading this outright lie. Do you legitimately think that there are no Gold Subscribers anymore? You’re saying that literally every Xbox live gold subscriber upgraded to game pass for $1 not just once, but somehow are getting free game pass forever lol. It’s complete bullshit and you need to stop spreading it.
3. Try to define it however you want, you’re still just making shit up. Microsoft are on record saying it’s sustainable. The way game pass works is that the subscription cost alone is not intended to make a profit - the profit comes from pulling people into the ecosystem, buying games, buying dlc, buying micro transactions, and being a constant source of reliable and predictable revenue.
Are you guys not reading what I wrote or am I not able to properly convey what I'm saying?LOL
I guess MS wasted their time adding a link to pay $1 having people choose to activate GP, when in reality they secretly converted all Gold gamers under their nose regardless.
And I thought when I activated it, the email receipt I got was due to me purchasing it. I didn't know MS automatically converted me without my approval. MS has such incredible timing, they masked their tactic by sending me an email receipt at the same minute I clicked the link to confirm.
Because not everyone cares about signing up for sub plans. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world signed up for Netflix even though they had their "FREE first month" for like 15 years. If you got proof all Gold gamers are GP subbers, where there's zero Gold only gamers, then fine show it.Are you guys not reading what I wrote or am I not able to properly convey what I'm saying?
I never once said that 100% of XLG users were transferring to GP. I said "a large majority". And I still believe that it happened. Think about the other scenario: "MS couldn't even convince people to pay $1 and get GP for 3 years." I do not believe that happened. $1 for 3 years of GP is value you just cannot beat, and I do think that a large majority (> 70% of XLG users) availed that offer.
And, Kagey K , Regarding 46 million, I think you're referring to MAU, not XLG users. Otherwise, please do present your source. I'd like to see and correct myself.
Anyway, I'll leave this conversation at that. Have a good day y'all.
Damn dude I just gave you credit 1 post above this.Are you guys not reading what I wrote or am I not able to properly convey what I'm saying?
I never once said that 100% of XLG users were transferring to GP. I said "a large majority". And I still believe that it happened. Think about the other scenario: "MS couldn't even convince people to pay $1 and get GP for 3 years." I do not believe that happened. $1 for 3 years of GP is value you just cannot beat, and I do think that a large majority (> 70% of XLG users) availed that offer.
And, Kagey K , Regarding 46 million, I think you're referring to MAU, not XLG users. Otherwise, please do present your source. I'd like to see and correct myself.
Anyway, I'll leave this conversation at that. Have a good day y'all.
And what happens, in your opinion, when Sony merges PS+ and PS Now? What would you compare GP with in terms of measuring subscriber count?Because not everyone cares about signing up for sub plans. Believe it or not, not everyone in the world signed up for Netflix even though they had their "FREE first month" for like 15 years. If you got proof all Gold gamers are GP subbers, where there's zero Gold only gamers, then fine show it.
Regardless, your comparison of PS+ vs GP is a terrible comparison for your usual pro-Sony narrative.
A better comparison is PS+ vs Gold, or PS Now vs GP.
Gold + Gamepass.And what happens, in your opinion, when Sony merges PS+ and PS Now? What would you compare GP with in terms of measuring subscriber count?
I know current MAU is 100 million. I brought MAU of 46 million because you said "even though the last Gold number MS gave was at about 46 mil, before they stopped reporting." So it was clear that you were talking about the data they once presented a few years ago (and at that point, the numbers would be 46 million, before it now jumped to 100 million +).Damn dude I just gave you credit 1 post above this.
The MAU is over 100 million.
Xbox Live Surpasses 100 Million Active Monthly Users As Game Pass Adoption Soars
During a recent earnings call, Microsoft boss Satya Nadella revealed that Xbox Live is now more than 100 million monthly active users strong, which is an impressive milestone.hothardware.com
I was wrong it was 48 million Gold subscribers (not 46)
Xbox Live Reaches Record With 48 Million Active Subscribers
Microsoft detailed Xbox Live subscriber numbers during an earnings press conference today and the numbers are good. So good, in fact, that the company says it’s a new record. The number, according to Microsoft, stand at 48 million active subscribers, which is a 30% increase over the 39 million...www.forbes.com
"We are gaining console share, as gamers recognize the value of our broader ecosystem. Xbox Live has more than 100 million monthly active users, while Game Pass now has 18 million subscribers. And, we are transforming how games are distributed, played, and viewed, bringing cloud gaming in Game Pass to iOS devices and Windows PCs over the next few months," Nadella said.
If it becomes too hard to compare numbers in your list war world, how about dont even bother caring?And what happens, in your opinion, when Sony merges PS+ and PS Now? What would you compare GP with in terms of measuring subscriber count?
XLG users were converted to GP
That's only if GP is actually a successful model to entice users in comparison to PS's offering. If it's not, why would Sony lose market share?
Source?
Again, that's based on the assumption that you want to go there in the first place. For that, GP model has to prove that it is significantly more profitable than Sony's current profit model.
I don't think there's any evidence for that last point. The "engagement" metrics are a myth. Money is the only thing that matters for businesses, not many how brakes were hit in GT7 or how many bullets were fired in Destiny.
They should add an Online only sub service for like 20$ per year. Personally only reason i still sub PS+ is only for Online play.
They should provide MP modes day one for free in some of their PS+ tiers.
Whatever the middle tier is they have to do more than pull across the PS Now library. Some of those games will have to go into the premium tier (PS3) anyway, but I think it needs to be a bit more curated for quality.
That would have to be for Sony published games or something, I don't really see much publishers looking to do that. Look at how BF 2042 is tanking in players, imagine that fucking service wrecking that game even more lol So I don't see how that would make a publisher care, but I do see how Sony might benefit or something.
That would be cool if those old PS3 games could be downloaded with that tier or something, I don't see much I'd play, but it sounds like many would use it if it had many platforms from the past supporting it or something
Considering Sony's focus on live-service MP games now and their willingness to be multiplatform for those games, I think they might really explore that option.That would have to be for Sony published games or something, I don't really see much publishers looking to do that. Look at how BF 2042 is tanking in players, imagine that fucking service wrecking that game even more lol So I don't see how that would make a publisher care, but I do see how Sony might benefit or something.
I will only care if i can get EMULATED ps3 classics.
Xbox Live, not Xbox Live Gold.Damn dude I just gave you credit 1 post above this.
The MAU is over 100 million.
Xbox Live Surpasses 100 Million Active Monthly Users As Game Pass Adoption Soars
During a recent earnings call, Microsoft boss Satya Nadella revealed that Xbox Live is now more than 100 million monthly active users strong, which is an impressive milestone.hothardware.com
I was wrong it was 48 million Gold subscribers (not 46)
Xbox Live Reaches Record With 48 Million Active Subscribers
Microsoft detailed Xbox Live subscriber numbers during an earnings press conference today and the numbers are good. So good, in fact, that the company says it’s a new record. The number, according to Microsoft, stand at 48 million active subscribers, which is a 30% increase over the 39 million...www.forbes.com
Xbox Live monthly active users grew 30% year-over-year to a record 48 million
But it doesn't say it here:The 48 million subscribers pay between $5 and $10 a month for access (depending on which bundle they purchase). If all 48 million subscribers stay on for the whole year then that would generate at least $2.88 billion for the company in 2016. Not bad for a product that some considered an afterthought when it was launched.
What model would that be?Following MS bad model
1. It’s not close at all lol. Nintendo make like twice the profit Sony do, and now have the top selling console for the current and previous generation. There’s no way in which Sony is number one other than in your head.
2. No they weren’t lol. You need to stop spreading this outright lie. Do you legitimately think that there are no Gold Subscribers anymore? You’re saying that literally every Xbox live gold subscriber upgraded to game pass for $1 not just once, but somehow are getting free game pass forever lol. It’s complete bullshit and you need to stop spreading it.
3. Try to define it however you want, you’re still just making shit up. Microsoft are on record saying it’s sustainable. The way game pass works is that the subscription cost alone is not intended to make a profit - the profit comes from pulling people into the ecosystem, buying games, buying dlc, buying micro transactions, and being a constant source of reliable and predictable revenue.
Following MS bad model
Yep, that Forbes article was outright wrong and had incorrect information, as I highlighted to Kagey K . The author of the article did not understand the intricacies of the service - I doubt if he ever played on an Xbox console because he had no idea what he was talking about.Xbox Live, not Xbox Live Gold.
Not sure what this is based on:
But it doesn't say it here:
Microsoft Cloud strength highlights second quarter results - Stories
REDMOND, Wash. — January 28, 2016 — Microsoft Corp. today announced the following results for the quarter ended December 31, 2015: Revenue was $23.8 billion GAAP, and $25.7 billion non-GAAP Operating income was $6.0 billion GAAP, and $7.9 billion non-GAAP Net income was $5.0 billion GAAP, and...news.microsoft.com
Xbox Network MAU 2022 | Statista
The number of Xbox MAU has constantly increasing over the years - the most recently reported figure of Xbox Network MAU was 120 million.www.statista.com
PS Now isn't? It's a subscription service where you rent games via either downloading or streaming. How is that nothing like GamePass?It's nothing like Gamepass but ok
Except it's likely to have a significantly wider catalogue of games.Errr, then it's not really day one and we are back to ps now with a shiney coat of paint,
a new name and some old emulated games.
I hope it's good, I'm just ready for it to be incredibly underwhelming.
Old game streaming just isn't gonna be good enough if that's what it is. The old farts playing old games don't want to play them with input latency.
PS Now isn't? It's a subscription service where you rent games via either downloading or streaming. How is that nothing like GamePass?
Why are y’all comparing PS+ to gamepass like Xbox Live Gold doesn’t exist?That and/or a group of people who just do not understand how things would actually work in the business world. I don't want to talk down a company or its strategy with this commentt, but let's look at it realistically from Sony's POV:
- PlayStation is on first position, while Xbox is on the last.
- PS+ has almost 50 million subscribers, while Gamepass has 25 million subscribers.
- PS+ is profitable, while the Gamepass model still hasn't proved itself to be self-sustainable and profitable in the long term.
Considering the above, there is 0 reason why Sony would want to create a Gamepass when Microsoft itself hasn't been able to prove the success of this model even after 5 years.