Eddie-Griffin
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Jim said that almost 6 years ago.
That was reasoning behind the Pro and there is nothing that indicates it improved the dip.
In fact we know it didn't, regardless of what their PR says we know it didn't do what they expected, it barley affected sales.
A few people gave a shit( I was one of them)
but it didn't boost sales.
And 6 years later they are porting to PC.
why would they care if a PS5 owner decides to jump to PC later?
They still selling games to them in the end.
So no, I'm the opposite of short sighted.
But let's say Sony & MS like wasting money.
When do you expect the Midgen Consoles come out to help boost games that currently don't exist yet.
And how do you market it.
Things you can't use to market it because the PS5 already does it are.
- 4k
- HDR
- 60fps
- 120fps
- Ray-tracing
- Fast Loading/Zero Loading.
It's a hard sell when the current model hasn't delivered what it can do outside cross gen games
The question goes both ways.
Is there evidence that the Pro Consoles was successful?
We know the PS4 Slim sold more by a wide margin, I can't comment on the Xbox One X.
but overall we know they didn't fly off the shelves like Nintendo's upgraded hardware revisions.
100% there is a premium market and even talking to some of my friends they would spend more than $500 on a premium consolePro versions don’t need to sell the most in order to be worthwhile
There’s a premium market that exists for them and can help extent excitement into the second half of a console lifecycle
Until we start seeing some market penetration of 8k displays, I wouldn't expect a pro console.
I would. I'd sell what I have and pay more for more powerful Xbox and PS5 consoles if it meant that there would be fewer compromises when it comes to performance vs. fidelity. It feels somewhat absurd to me that we have to choose between them and praise 40 FPS as some massive game changing compromise.100% there is a premium market and even talking to some of my friends they would spend more than $500 on a premium console
Next gen seems like it hasn't started yet for me and this sweet little country planted by the sea called Portugal. Maybe when there are ps5s in stores when you walk in we can feel that way.Sony doesn't expect PlayStation 6 before 2027, confidential document suggests
Sony does not expect its next-generation PlayStation to arrive until at least 2027, a confidential document has suggested.
The partially-redacted document was released publicly today as part of the UK's ongoing in-depth Competition and Markets Authority review into Microsoft's proposed $68bn Activision Blizzard buyout - a deal Sony has strongly objected to.
In an intriguing passage discussing the length of time Call of Duty may remain on PlayStation, Sony claims that (at the time of writing) it expected to lose access to the franchise in 2027. Sony then goes on to state that by the time it "launched the next generation of its PlayStation console... it would have lost access to Call of Duty and other Activision titles".
Putting aside the possibility of whether Sony would actually lose access to Call of Duty (something Xbox boss Phil Spencer has recently repeatedly denied) the suggestion here from Sony is that the PlayStation 6 will not launch until after its feared 2027 COD cut-off date.
That puts PS5, which originally launched in November 2020, on at least a seven-year lifecycle - and potentially longer.
In the document, Sony states its concern that the loss of COD in 2027 would leave PlayStation "extremely vulnerable to consumer switching and subsequent degradation in its competitiveness" - presumably for when the subsequent console generation arrived.
"PlayStation 6 in 2028?" industry analyst Piers Harding-Rolls wrote on Twitter.
A redacted section of this passage does note the actual year Sony expects PS6 to materialise - although the public version of this has it blanked out.
To compare, PS4 launched in November 2013,
exactly seven years before PS5 - though the console remains well-supported today.
For its part, Microsoft has claimed it is keen to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation longer than 2027. Last month, Xbox boss Phil Spencer said he was keen to keep releasing COD on Sony platforms "as long as there's a PlayStation out there to ship to".
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I like the sounds of the PS5 refresh having a detachable disk drive so they only need one sku and hope they keep this idea for the PS6 as I too still use physical disksI'm afraid ps6 will be digital only. I don't know if I should continue buying physical games or start switching to Digital...
I like collecting physical games. This is a big part of console gaming for me. I even rebuy physical games on ps5 that I own on ps4 (like uncharted and so on) but If that going to be useless on ps6....
I wish we already knew so I wouldn't waste money
A pro could fix the bandwidth limitations of the ps5 as wellHopefully late 2024 at the earliest. We'll still be getting getting cross Gen games next year for Christ's sake!
So I find a Pro pointless when we'll be getting true ps5 games which will see a big jump over what we get now.
But maybe the logic is instead of playing that game at 60fps 4k you'll play it at 120fps or 100fps with vrr thanks to the Pro.
If it’s true then the ps5 pro will certainly be my last console I would have 0 reason not to go to pc at that point or drop gaming on new games all togetherOoof. That would be a hot in the fit as I am going hard physical this gen.
It’s the first time I am financially somewhat capable. Looks like I was born too late and will probably end up re buying these games in psn
There is stil no new engine games yet to come out lmao 2 years in.unreal engine5 not one game is even out ,assassin creed not out yet either all cross genFeels as though this gen has barely got off the ground yet.
9 years in one generation is just too much. Never happened before either, so doubt itHopefully ps5 Pro 2025 and ps6 2029.
Next year? Are you on crack?
PS are released every 7 years, meaning a late 2027 would be what we should expect and what would match with the suggested in the documents for regulators.Hmmm 2027 latest.
I think we will see a PS6 2026 or 2025. 2025 Especially if we don’t get a PS5 Pro. Pretty sure Jim Ryan said they want a shorter generation this time around, and 2025 was mentioned.
PS are released every 7 years, meaning a late 2027 would be what we should expect and what would match with the suggested in the documents for regulators.
Due to chips shortages, covid lockdowns and PS4 engagement being higher than usual on its last years this generation started slower than was possible but still is breaking records. Fast SSDs allow several new paradigm shifts in game development meaning that to take full advantage of this gen hardware will take longer than usual.
So if something, this generation would be longer than usual, not shorter.
Jim Ryan never mentioned that wants a shorter generation and never mentioned or hinted 2025 for the next console. The most similar thing Sony mentioned is that hinted in the regulators documents a late 2027 or early 2028 release.
gamecube is a design masterpiece, what you smokingPlenty of time to do a revision of the PS5 that doesn't look like it was melted in the microwave. It's the least attractive console design since the Gamecube.
This sounds like a massive console (very power hungry) and a big price bump over the current PS5 to get to those targets via pure bruteforcing... I do not expect developers to do much optimisation for pro consoles (if they release them) beyond what they can easily bruteforce with a few interns over a few weeks or so. Just like it happened for Xbox One X and PS4 Pro.- Rock solid 60 FPS or 120 FPS on all games, which the base PS5 is unable to guarantee for every game
- All PSVR2 games at 120 FPS instead of having some at 90 FPS or reprojected 60
- Not having to choose between performance and quality modes, you can get both at the same time
RoI to cater to those people but without an Apple like following and Apple like prices... I do not see it working well. To get what though? iPhone 11 --> iPhone 12 --> iPhone 13 --> iPhone 14 performance improvements and developers not tapping into it?100% there is a premium market and even talking to some of my friends they would spend more than $500 on a premium console
I think the general hope would be the merging of performance and fidelity modes.When games barely take advantage of what the current gen consoles can do, why do so many want a mid gen refresh???
Like, you'll buy it and it will hardly have any games that take great advantage of it's power.
By the time we get a mid gen refresh you really want developers having to make games that not only support the Series S but now a newer even more powerful console than the PS5/X?
Any mid gen refresh will be a money grab.
PS6 doesn't need to do much more than being a PS5 with 60+fps and full ray tracing. RT improves games so much it would be a worthwhile upgrade.
I think the general hope would be the merging of performance and fidelity modes.
In the document sent to regulators they indirectly mentioned the traditional 7 years or so release cycle. Basically said that if a fall 2027 released CoD would be the last one it would be just before the release of their next console.Ah, it wasn’t jim ryan, just an article I read: https://www.thegamer.com/sony-ps5-lifespan-short-5-years/
I doubt it would be longer than 7 years. They would need A pro model for sure
Again, we have no idea what their target goals were for the PS4 Pro so there's no way to say if it was a disappointment to them or if it met their expectations. As for why they would care if a PS5 owner jumps to PC, the answer is money. Every time a SIE published game sells on Steam or EGS, those companies take their cut of the sale. Every time Sony sells a SIE published game on PlayStation, they get 100% of the revenue. Not to mention Sony gets a 30% cut of all games sold on PSN and revenue from microtransactions and whatnot which is a HUGE amount of their revenue. They have every reason to want to keep folks invested in their ecosystem. Then on top of that keeping folks in their console ecosystem gives them a chance to earn subscription money from them. It's a 'have your cake and eat it too' situation where they can cater to the PC crowd who would never give them a cent to begin with, and still cater to the console audience who wants a low cost entry into the ecosystem (base PS5) and a higher end solution on par with PC (PS5 Pro)
As for selling points...
- Double the storage to 1650 GB
- Rock solid 60 FPS or 120 FPS on all games, which the base PS5 is unable to guarantee for every game
- All PSVR2 games at 120 FPS instead of having some at 90 FPS or reprojected 60
- Not having to choose between performance and quality modes, you can get both at the same time
- They could bundle a DualSense Edge with the PS5 Pro, to emphasize the Pro aspect of the console
- Not to mention the precedent is already there with the PS4 Pro and gamers know what to expect. Anyone buying a PS5 Pro knows they're buying it for better performance. The less informed people who don't know all the differences are the folk who would likely just end up getting a base PS5
As for it being a hard sell, context matters. You can't take the current situation and project that to two or three years from now when a Pro console would be launched. Obviously things will be very different at that point in time and many dozens of current gen games will have launched