GhettoGamer
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Come on people stop doubting Daryl, he is the most resourceful member. Carl losing his gun wont affect him
hopefully
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The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC
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Agreed. It's not just the lines though - the actor playing him is really bad. (I know, he's a
kid, but still.)
I cannot believe this entire season will be on this damn farm.
ThisWreckage
Banned
This show and its characters are so dumb I can't even enjoy it. In fact, I'm livid that this isn't on HBO.
Something to look forward to. One day HBO will get a good zombie show. Believe.
Night_Trekker
Member
What's bothering me even more than that is how nobody tried to shoot the zombie before they got within a few yards of Dale. You know, since they had ranged weapons and all that.
But ultimately, Dale died because the script said so.
I dunno. Maybe he'll be too emo to fight back later :/
HadesGigas
Member
They just said on Talking Dead that the gun was Merle's. Makes sense, not sure I remember ever seeing Daryl use a gun.
MisterNugNug
Member
So...I'm a fan of the comic series and this episode was very...eh?
Knowing the background story (to a degree) about the production of the second season and the conflicts Darabont had with AMC; the firing of Darabont had to factor into this specific episode. Hearing how staunchly loyal actors/actress and crew are with Darabont, I'm pretty sure Jeffery DeMunn voiced his displeasure with what happened to Darabont. Either they axed him because they didn't want him on the show anymore or he wanted to leave.
With that in mind it made what happened to Dale less dramatic and the impact weak. Had Darabont remained on the show, I would have been shocked by this episode.
Knowing the background story (to a degree) about the production of the second season and the conflicts Darabont had with AMC; the firing of Darabont had to factor into this specific episode. Hearing how staunchly loyal actors/actress and crew are with Darabont, I'm pretty sure Jeffery DeMunn voiced his displeasure with what happened to Darabont. Either they axed him because they didn't want him on the show anymore or he wanted to leave.
With that in mind it made what happened to Dale less dramatic and the impact weak. Had Darabont remained on the show, I would have been shocked by this episode.
shadyspace
Banned
This show is stupid enough that I could see them killing off Daryl.
Just ask yourself one question, how often do you see him with a gun?
An HBO Zombie show would kick all kinds of ass.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Needs to happen when the surely coming Carl revealing to Mommy or Daddy he did this
But within that camp, there was a semblance of society. You know, what separates us from the animals, the animals being all about "survival of the fittest," and society being about more inclusive solutions. Dale was distressed to see the group going down an animalistic path. Just because it's simpler, more straight-forward, doesn't mean it's the way to go if you're to try and preserve and at some point rebuild anything resembling a microcosm to which a sane human would want to belong. Everyone in the group wants that, but their means to an end was blurring the line.
brianjones
Member
true blood isnt much better
LyleLanley
Banned
Carl was infuriating in this episode. Literally every single thing he did pissed me off.
Neuromancer
Member
I was hoping it was going to go that way. The wrong one died that's for sure. Not to mention the kid's not a real great child actor.
Night_Trekker
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^ That picture is amazing, BlueTsunami.
So... when they were pooling resources, Daryl decided to not tell them he had a gun in the motorcycle's sidebag?
I can see that making a little sense. Maybe. Even though Daryl went through a long period of cozying up to the group, or at least Carol, before he retreated into his "survivalist" mode. He might want to keep a firearm to himself.
But would Daryl really refuse to carry a backup gun on his person? He has only a knife and a crossbow, and he's constantly losing arrows or neglecting to retrieve them (don't get me started on the latter point). What is he, Batman? Does he have a moral aversion to firearms that's so strong he would swear them off during a zombie apocalypse?
I'm still trying to decide if I should make time for True Blood. I've heard it's worthless after season 1.
So... when they were pooling resources, Daryl decided to not tell them he had a gun in the motorcycle's sidebag?
I can see that making a little sense. Maybe. Even though Daryl went through a long period of cozying up to the group, or at least Carol, before he retreated into his "survivalist" mode. He might want to keep a firearm to himself.
But would Daryl really refuse to carry a backup gun on his person? He has only a knife and a crossbow, and he's constantly losing arrows or neglecting to retrieve them (don't get me started on the latter point). What is he, Batman? Does he have a moral aversion to firearms that's so strong he would swear them off during a zombie apocalypse?
I'm still trying to decide if I should make time for True Blood. I've heard it's worthless after season 1.
EmCeeGramr
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They have a semblance of society here, no matter how much bad writing tries to make a reasoned group decision thought out over several days into a crazy murderous Shane-mob. Dale threw a hissy fit because it wasn't the society he was used to. He could not accept the possibility that this was a valid course of action, even though the others actually listened to him and tried to see it from his point of view.
"Civilized" societies have done far worse than execute attempted murderers in life-or-death survival situations.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
If you take the time to pay attention and get attached to the characters and why they do what they do, it's totally worth it. It's not everyone's cup of tea though haha
Yeah, every time he was on-screen wearing his cowboy hat, I went -_______-
Night_Trekker
Member
Could they at least have shown Carl sneaking out of the house and away from his watchful parents? Sigh.
Eh, he's okay. Sometimes he's good, and at other times he's not. Not every child can be Haley Joel Osment before his body outgrew his face.
FAKE EDIT: The second Google suggestion for "haley joel osment" is "haley joel osment fat," lol.
Hmm, I'll check it out then. Thanks.
Eh, he's okay. Sometimes he's good, and at other times he's not. Not every child can be Haley Joel Osment before his body outgrew his face.
FAKE EDIT: The second Google suggestion for "haley joel osment" is "haley joel osment fat," lol.
Hmm, I'll check it out then. Thanks.
Season 1 - The best vampire-related show of the last 10 years.
Season 2 - A few steps down, but still good and introduces two of the show's most interesting villains, which saves it somewhat.
Season 3 - A few steps further down, but introduces the show's BEST villain and one fucked-up sex scene that will forever change you.
Season 4 - Skip it. Just Skip it. Not a damn good thing I can say about this season.
Ausiello just tweeted that Dale was his "blind item" from November:
tl;dr version:
1) AMC fires Frank Darabont
2) Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale) wants off the show cause his close friend was fired
3) Then he changes his mind, wants to stay
4) Writers kill him anyway
tl;dr version:
1) AMC fires Frank Darabont
2) Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale) wants off the show cause his close friend was fired
3) Then he changes his mind, wants to stay
4) Writers kill him anyway
-Pyromaniac-
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*walking dead theme*
Tsk tsk tsk...can't say I feel bad.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
I like the show but man can you see things a mile away. I knew they weren't gonna kill the kid and I knew as soon as dale said I don't want to live in this kind of world and stormed off that the zombie would get him.
So cliche and expected. I had a bunch of problems. If the zombie was eating the cow why did he stop? Was it full? Do zombies get full? If not and they just feed why did it stop? And why did it stop in time to sneak behind dale? How did he rip open his chest with such ease yet he grabbed Carls legs and he escaped unphased? As another poster mentioned why grab a scoped rifle and then refuse to use it? Why is Carl such a littlle nipple sniffer? Too many plot holes.
So cliche and expected. I had a bunch of problems. If the zombie was eating the cow why did he stop? Was it full? Do zombies get full? If not and they just feed why did it stop? And why did it stop in time to sneak behind dale? How did he rip open his chest with such ease yet he grabbed Carls legs and he escaped unphased? As another poster mentioned why grab a scoped rifle and then refuse to use it? Why is Carl such a littlle nipple sniffer? Too many plot holes.
-Pyromaniac-
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the dale death might have been forshadowed decently heavily but the real payoff is HOW it happened, relating to Carl pussying out on killing it and him noticing it's the same one that kills Dale. That's where the actual payoff is.
Also maybe the zombie ate all the guts inside, cow skin maybe not so good? And then it moved on...then saw dale and came back to eat him dead. Also it's much easier to tear through an old mans gut than an ankle.
Is there any character that won't turn to shit in this series!? Now I even hate the freaking kid!
Does stupidity increase exponentially when there's a zombie apocalypse!? Damn it to hell!
And of course I wouldn't have sided with Dale, you can't kill someone based on fears. On uncertainties. These guys left him to die and he certainly didn't expressed any desire to go back to them.
Does stupidity increase exponentially when there's a zombie apocalypse!? Damn it to hell!
And of course I wouldn't have sided with Dale, you can't kill someone based on fears. On uncertainties. These guys left him to die and he certainly didn't expressed any desire to go back to them.
MeBecomingI
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Fantastic episode!
Quite a shocking end and a really, really emotionally one at that... not only because of the death, but more on how he died and the pain on not only his face, but everyone else too. I mean, the way he looked at everyone through the pain and the realization of the group that Dale just got mauled by a fucking zombie. Such a good moment. Additionally, there was some seriously good acting in this episode. Amazing job on the actors, but also for Greg Nicotero for showing some seriously good directing chops! Regardless, I love the comic... love the comic. But I enjoy the differences between the comic and the show. To each there own, but I hope the show continues the way it is going.
Also, I don't really understand the "bad writing" sentiment that runs through here. I think that a lot of what goes on in the show is probably what would happen if a situation they were in were happening right now... likewise with the dialogue. We do a lot of now over meaningless things, so I couldn't imagine the end of civilization and a zombie apocalypse. Much of the character interaction seems very natural to me. Of course, none of us would really know how is exactly it would play out, but I wouldn't think otherwise. Granted, not everything is perfect by any means, but I enjoy it and I don't immediately find fault in it, which I tend to do with almost everything...
Also, not everything can be shown because of the length of the show, so the show certainly puts a lot on the viewer to understand that stuff is happening outside of what we see, like picking up arrows. Just reading through the thread, I think a lot of people really think too much about things and complain because not everything they want shown is shown. We, the viewer are left to pick up the pieces. It is common trait and I am far too used to it, so it really doesn't bother me. Gah, I'm sure I could write a fucking essay on the show.
Anyway, I can't wait for the next episode! Bring it!
Welcome to humanity... We are our own worst enemy. I certainly don't fault the show for that, though. That is just how I think things would be. I would fucking hate everyone around me in a situation like the one they are in.
Quite a shocking end and a really, really emotionally one at that... not only because of the death, but more on how he died and the pain on not only his face, but everyone else too. I mean, the way he looked at everyone through the pain and the realization of the group that Dale just got mauled by a fucking zombie. Such a good moment. Additionally, there was some seriously good acting in this episode. Amazing job on the actors, but also for Greg Nicotero for showing some seriously good directing chops! Regardless, I love the comic... love the comic. But I enjoy the differences between the comic and the show. To each there own, but I hope the show continues the way it is going.
Also, I don't really understand the "bad writing" sentiment that runs through here. I think that a lot of what goes on in the show is probably what would happen if a situation they were in were happening right now... likewise with the dialogue. We do a lot of now over meaningless things, so I couldn't imagine the end of civilization and a zombie apocalypse. Much of the character interaction seems very natural to me. Of course, none of us would really know how is exactly it would play out, but I wouldn't think otherwise. Granted, not everything is perfect by any means, but I enjoy it and I don't immediately find fault in it, which I tend to do with almost everything...
Also, not everything can be shown because of the length of the show, so the show certainly puts a lot on the viewer to understand that stuff is happening outside of what we see, like picking up arrows. Just reading through the thread, I think a lot of people really think too much about things and complain because not everything they want shown is shown. We, the viewer are left to pick up the pieces. It is common trait and I am far too used to it, so it really doesn't bother me. Gah, I'm sure I could write a fucking essay on the show.
Anyway, I can't wait for the next episode! Bring it!
Welcome to humanity... We are our own worst enemy. I certainly don't fault the show for that, though. That is just how I think things would be. I would fucking hate everyone around me in a situation like the one they are in.
That guy seems like a scum bag any way. The way he said the teenage girls were pretty made me not believe him when he said he wasn't involved in their gang rape.
Is this officially the shows jumping the shark point? Daryl is barely around anymore, Daleface is dead. That leaves Glenn and Portal references (Waiting for "THE BIRTHDAY CAKE IS A LIE!" on Carl's birthday). :/
Oh and PSYCHO SHANE! PSYCHO SHANE~!
Oh and PSYCHO SHANE! PSYCHO SHANE~!
ryutaro's mama
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"Sorry, brother..."
Best line delivery in a long while.
Oh yeah, I'm on the "Carl inherited Lori's idiot gene" ship.
Best line delivery in a long while.
Oh yeah, I'm on the "Carl inherited Lori's idiot gene" ship.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Just reading some of these reactions, lol, next ep is gonna make people here go buckwild. That's why this thread owns.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
I had a different interpretation: because carl is a dung cyst he riled up an otherwise helpless zombie and got dale killed. I wasn't thinking he was being a wuss for not killing it when dale died. I was thinking he was an idiot for messong around in the first place. As soon as he saw it he should have told his parents. I mean if he did shoot it people would hear and he'd get in trouble for stealin, playing with a gun and running off - so him shooting the zombie wasn't really even an option.
And aside from the idiot thing, what the hell is up with Carl?
He shows up at the barn, talking to Randall, OUT OF ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE (seriously, how did he even get in there?), gives him one INSANE look, (I'm seriously thinking he's possessed by something) and then the "Do it, Dad, do it".
He doesn't even know the guy! I'm not even sure he knows why he's there or why they are arguing about him.
Just the whole episode, he looked like he was as insane as Shane.
He shows up at the barn, talking to Randall, OUT OF ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE (seriously, how did he even get in there?), gives him one INSANE look, (I'm seriously thinking he's possessed by something) and then the "Do it, Dad, do it".
He doesn't even know the guy! I'm not even sure he knows why he's there or why they are arguing about him.
Just the whole episode, he looked like he was as insane as Shane.
EmCeeGramr
Member
An elderly Adolf Hitler, leaving Argentina for a vacation in Florida when the infection hit, shows up at the farm.
"We, CANNOT, condemn. This man. For something 70 YEARS ago." says Rick.
Shane bobs his head and talks to Rick without looking at him, and then Carl enters the scene with a bloody knife and a skull tattoo on his face.
"Hey, go to your mother," Shrick orders Carl.
-Pyromaniac-
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dude is obviously lost, he is the only kid there, and it seems like all he does is get in the way, he is an outcast.
I figured he's just trying to "be a man" now and act like a grownup.
And how he's seen grownups recently is going off into the woods with a gun to kill shit and also being cold hearted and killing people that might kill you.
Being a ten year old in a zombie apocalypse is going to kind of mess you up
This is an alternate universe. In his world, Carl is actually batman. As was that zombie that silently snuck up on Dale, in a wide open field, no less.
MeBecomingI
Member
Foxy Fox 39 said:
This is why I love the show! There is nuance to a lot of what happens and we are kind of left to interpret what is all means or where it goes. Carl is becoming a detriment to the group because he wants to fit in and not be a "kid." Unfortunately, he is trying to grow up too fast and "prove" himself to everyone, especially Rick and Shane. He wears his father's hat with prideful arrogance, but it almost always costs him in some fashion whether he is yelled at or does something stupid. However, that seems to motivate him even more; it almost always leads to his actions costing something... his effort to prove to himself that he isn't a kid (to himself) anymore ended up almost getting him killed and ended up leading a zombie back to the farm and getting Dale killed. His realization is what sold the episode for me.
Kid was afraid of being yelled at by his Dad he looks up too for fucking up again, but in his silence, it ended up leading to Dale's death. I think he knows he fucked up bad at the end when he saw the zombie. He thought he could be "cool" and strong and not only kill a zombie, but fuck around with it by throwing rocks at it, but he fucked up and it cost him. Afraid of being yelled at again and probably under the impression that it didn't follow him or still stuck in the mud, he didn't say anything... and bam, it cost a life. Tough wake up call for Carl, but he is a kid and I doubt it will deter him from trying again and again. Carl is going to fuck up hard again and it will cost people... I understand his intentions on wanting to prove to everyone he can help after what happened with Sophia, but he is a fucked up mind and no realizes it yet.
That is why I like the writing on this show. I hate the character for causing shit, but I love the character because of how they are developing him.
civilstrife
Member
For people who have read the comic:
How closely does the show follow it?
Are they basically in entirely different worlds by now?
How closely does the show follow it?
Are they basically in entirely different worlds by now?
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