I mean, aren't you pushing for a trans right to compete to receive that shiny medal here? Everyone wants a chance at the shiny medal, which is why it's an issue to begin with.
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Transgender Teen (Female to Male) wins regional wrestling title; Lawsuit file
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I mean, aren't you pushing for a trans right to compete to receive that shiny medal here? Everyone wants a chance at the shiny medal, which is why it's an issue to begin with.
Best on looking around, in general, these graphs kind of show the differences in male vs female testosterone levels.
I want him to be able to wrestle, and he should wrestle in the division he wants to.
These graphs are actually profoundly misleading for comparing men and women in overall testosterone levels, look at the scale on the y-axes.
edit: lol
Yeah, that graph, when read correctly, shows a huge discrepancy in testosterone levels between sexes, over 10x difference. So no, he shouldn't be competing with in the women's league. But the ire should be directed at the league making the stringent rules, and not so much the trans student.
They are tests that measure every type of testosterone/estrogen in a person's body. And obviously the event hasn't set any restrictions like that or else they would let him compete in the men's.
What more do you really want? What feasible solution do you have that isn't resolved by having him compete in the men's?
Ziltoidia 9
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These graphs are actually profoundly misleading for comparing men and women in overall testosterone levels, look at the scale on the y-axes.
edit: lol
I know, this is what I was trying to portray by posting them. It shows that someone taking testosterone to become male could have a huge advantage, it just depends on the levels he has right now.
Even if he only has 200 mg/Dl, its a huge advantage.
Its allowed in other sporting events, as long as its monitored, which someone trans taking it gets regular blood tests.
I don't really see how that's fair at all but ok.
ShironRedshift
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It's the definition of fair because since it's measured, they make sure it's not an excessive quantity to be giving any advantages but rather staying inside what would be considered normal ranges for a cis-male.
Because testosterone isn't a magical thing we can't measure. We can see the levels of it in someone's blood, and we can see if it fits within regulations. Some people medically need it, for instance, the guy in the original post. They shouldn't be disbarred from all sporting events when we can easily see that these people have the same testosterone levels as everyone else.
pretty done
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It's not fair, hence why so many people are not ok with this. If all the girls that lost to Beggs were on steroids, then it would be fair game.
TenCentCoast
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Yes, because we all know that people are being rational about this. Very rational.
We definitely know there aren't any ulterior motives behind hating a transgender athlete WHO WANTS TO COMPETE IN THE MEN'S DIVISION BUT CAN'T BECAUSE OF REGULATIONS.
So yeah, let's just all hate him. Not the system.
skullmuffins
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Because someone taking testosterone for medical reasons is only taking enough to put their levels within normal range. People taking it as a steroid do it to get above-normal levels and thus an advantage.
pretty done
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Who are you responding to?
It is not.
But the problem is not someone with male testosterone winning the girls competition, it is a BOY being forced to play with girls because we live in a transphobic world
perfectchaos007
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I hope more transgender boys dominate state titles in the girls divisions. It would eventually force this stupid "birth certificate rule" in Texas to be changed so transgendered students in the future can compete against opponents that match their gender identity instead of being forced to compete against opponents that match the sex on their birth certificate.
They're probably more rigorous than random blood tests for a trans person transitioning.
They're trying to transition someone's physical traits towards their (non-birth) gender. There's so much shit that can go sideways with artificial hormones. Not just T levels but estrogen levels. The balance of the two.
I have a feeling he has much better records of hormones at any given point than even an IOC monitored athlete.
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