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Undercover Pedo trap website deemed too creepy by hosting company.

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Slayven

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/undercover-web-site-derailed-hosting-firm

MARCH 9--In an aggressive bid to entice prospective “sex tourists,” the Department of Homeland Security last year launched an undercover web site that purported to arrange trips from the U.S. to Canada, where clients could engage in sexual activity with minors, The Smoking Gun has learned.

The “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” web site was active until a few weeks ago when its Massachusetts-based web hosting firm removed the site from its servers, apparently in response to a complaint about its content. Now, visitors to precioustreasureholidaycompany.com are greeted with the message, “This site has been suspended.”

After a year online, the DHS undercover site may have fallen victim to its own sleazy, overt come-on. As seen at right, the site’s front page carried three symbols that an FBI intelligence bulletin has identified as being used by pedophiles. Additionally, the site’s acronym, PTHC, is an allusion to “preteen hardcore” pornography. The site’s carefully misspelled motto--“We Help Make Your Fantasy’s Come True!”--also does little to mask its illicit intentions.

An account executive with the hosting firm, who appeared unaware that “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” was a government operation, said that following a site’s suspension an internal investigation is launched. Upon the review’s completion, a site is either reinstated or terminated. The executive, Jason Crawford, added that if a customer’s site is found to contain illicit material like child pornography, the FBI is contacted.

[Five years ago, FBI agents concocted a similar sting, launching “Wicked Adventures Travel,” a web site purporting to offer pedophiles "exotic excursions" to the Philippines and Thailand. That operation yielded at least one felony conviction.]

According to court records and several sources familiar with the sting operation, the “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” web site was operated by investigators assigned to DHS’s Cleveland office. In affidavits sworn by Agent Gabriel Hagan, the undercover web site is described as “offering ‘international travel’ from Cleveland, Ohio, to Canada for the purpose of engaging in sexually explicit conduct with minors.” While records reveal that the site was first registered in February 2010, further details about its owner (as well as administrative and technical contacts) have been carefully cloaked.

To draw visitors--and potential targets--to the site, DHS agents early last year began seeding a wide variety of sketchy web sites with mentions of (and links to) “Precious Treasure Holiday Company.” Investigators touted the undercover business on Russian and Swedish web sites, assorted chat rooms, and online destinations with words like “jailbait” in their addresses.

Using the online handle “otra,” one individual has been particularly enthusiastic in trying to drive traffic to the undercover operation. Posting on several sites, “otra” enthused that “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” was a “great place for real incest” and the “only place for the real thing.” In one online profile, “otra”--who is described as a Canadian male--opted for a profile photo (seen at left) showing a hand in a masturbatory position. Shortly after the DHS site went live, an anonymous poster on a Swedish bulletin board reported that, “I found a website where you can travel to go have sex with kids.” After including the nascent undercover operation’s web address, the poster added, “This website…is an actually thriving business that is legit.”

While it is difficult to gauge the overall success of DHS’s efforts to drum up visitors, the “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” operation has led to the conviction of at least one defendant on felony charges (he was recently sentenced to 20 years in prison), while another man is under indictment for conspiring to transport an eight-year-old girl from Canada to the U.S. with the intent of having her engage in sexual activity.

Federal court records indicate that two other individuals became targets of the DHS operation after visiting the undercover web site last year and engaging in subsequent e-mail exchanges with investigators. One subject is a former Marine now deployed in the Middle East with the Army Reserves.

In every instance, targets have visited the undercover web site and sought, via e-mail, additional information about “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” offerings. Agents responded by sending back a “brochure” with details of the sex tour to Canada. The brochure, a court filing reported, also “requested answers to specific questions so not to disappoint the customer.” These included queries about the preferred age of the minors with whom the prospective sex tourist sought to consort. The brochure also noted that a female employee would accompany customers to Canada (this role has been played by Agent Hagan).

In some cases, a target was also provided a username and password that would allow access to a section of the DHS site containing an online “catalog” of girls aged eight to 14. Two men were arrested last year when they traveled to meet a child advertised in this catalog.

The enlisted man snared by the “Precious Treasure Holiday Company” web site, TSG has learned, is Sergeant Jason Talbott, a 32-year-old Washington State native.

In a mid-June 2010 e-mail from his Yahoo account, Talbott, pictured at right, wrote that he was “interested in a discreet package” involving an eight-year-old girl. While noting that, “I have no way of knowing if you are law enforcement or FBI,” Talbott asked about rates and sought “some sort of assurance that you are a legit company. Picture of some of the services provided maybe?” An account of Talbott’s e-mail exchanges with Agent Hagan is contained in a search warrant application excerpted here.

After receiving the brochure (and being provided access to the online catalog), Talbott described one particular child as “an attractive young lady, who would more than suit my needs.” He added, however, “I will not be back in the country for another year and a half as I am abroad.” Along with asking about adoption options mentioned in the brochure, Talbott wrote, “Again, I still have no assurances that you are legitimate, and not a sting operation or scam.”

Four months passed without further contact from Talbott. Then, on October 20, he sent an e-mail seeking “an updated catalogue of your females.” Based on entries from Talbott’s MySpace page, the e-mail was sent while he was home on leave in Spokane. In an October 14 post, he told of returning in a few weeks to the “sandbox” (Talbott previously wrote of being deployed in Kuwait).

Included with the October 20 e-mail was a naked photo of a prepubescent girl. “Attached is a pic of what I like just to show that I am not FBI. I would love a sample pic of one of your girls to verify something that shows a bit more than a clothed girl that looks like one of the dateline bait girls. All I need is to find myself on dateline.” While assuring that he was not a law enforcement agent, Talbott still appeared unconvinced that the web site’s proprietors were not themselves carrying badges or NBC employees.

After identifying Talbott as a target of the DHS probe, a TSG reporter sent a series of detailed e-mails to the Yahoo account seeking comment. In an initial response, the recipient replied, “I'm sorry, why are you calling me Sgt. Talbot? And what image was sent from this email? Do I need to run another virus scan?” Subsequent e-mails noted that, “I have nothing to talk to you about” and “I don't like being accused of shit like this. You are sick.”

In one e-mail, a reporter included a link to a TSG page that contained an excerpt from a search warrant for the contents of the swlfty@yahoo.com account. Within minutes of the e-mail being sent to the Yahoo account, the particular TSG page, server records showed, was accessed by an IP address registered in Kuwait City.

Additionally, after TSG e-mails were sent last month to the Yahoo account, Talbott’s profile page on Netlog, a social networking site targeting European youth, was edited. His name and photo were removed from the page, which carried the handle “swlfty.” His date of birth was changed. And the photos and nicknames of seven female friends were deleted. Of those friends, four were 14, one was 15, and another was 16.

Talbott’s Netlog page, which described him as “a man of particular tastes,” was subsequently deleted in its entirety (though a screen grab of the original page can be seen here). But his MySpace page, which contains the exact profile photo that was deleted from the Netlog page, remains online
 

mollipen

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As seen at right, the site’s front page carried three symbols that an FBI intelligence bulletin has identified as being used by pedophiles.

The Law & Order: SVU episode for last night was a repeat, one that was about a child pornography ring. They used these actual symbols, and I had just originally thought they were something made up for the show. Interesting to know!
 

SmithnCo

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I guess they misspelled "fantasies" to make it more authentic?

Also those e-mails are so creepy. "an attractive young lady, who would more than suit my needs." Good lord.
 

Barrett2

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While it's good to get actual pedos off the streets, I don't even want to know how much taxpayer money it cost to yield a handful of arrests.
 

Deadly Cyclone

Pride of Iowa State
shidoshi said:
The Law & Order: SVU episode for last night was a repeat, one that was about a child pornography ring. They used these actual symbols, and I had just originally thought they were something made up for the show. Interesting to know!

I saw this episode a while back, same thing I thought of. :p
 

Slayven

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lawblob said:
While it's good to get actual pedos off the streets, I don't even want to know how much taxpayer money it cost to yield a handful of arrests.
Can't be that expensive to setup a website and email and monitor it.
 

Dresden

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Yeah, Canada seems like an odd place. Wouldn't somewhere like Thailand or Romania be more believable?

Also, it's hilarious how the guy was suspicious the whole time, but still couldn't help but nibble.
 

Nizz

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Included with the October 20 e-mail was a naked photo of a prepubescent girl. “Attached is a pic of what I like just to show that I am not FBI. I would love a sample pic of one of your girls to verify something that shows a bit more than a clothed girl that looks like one of the dateline bait girls. All I need is to find myself on dateline.”
Jesus Christ... Horrible.
 

Slayven

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Dresden said:
Yeah, Canada seems like an odd place. Wouldn't somewhere like Thailand or Romania be more believable?

Also, it's hilarious how the guy was suspicious the whole time, but still couldn't help but nibble.
Economy is hurting everybody nowadays.
 

Darklord

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purple cobra said:
Jesus Christ... Horrible.

Gotta act like a monster to catch one. Although, who was the girl? Imagine finding out the government sent pictures of you to dozens of pedophiles. Ugh.
 

ezrarh

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Why not use the money to get the actual sites and people that facilitate this kinda stuff instead of arresting a couple dudes. It's like setting up at a corner peddling drugs and arresting buyers. Not gonna do much except help your stats
 
sk3 said:
I will never understand how this is not entrapment.
Entrapment = the government getting a normal person to do something they would not normally do.

This is not entrapment. No normal person would go to this site after getting an email.

Darklord said:
Gotta act like a monster to catch one. Although, who was the girl? Imagine finding out the government sent pictures of you to dozens of pedophiles. Ugh.
The government didn't send the email of the child porn, the bad guy did.
 

Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
low-G said:
4chan is too important of an undercover operation. They got hackers, pirates, and pedophiles.
yep, and the staff hands over pedo info for free anyway, no point shutting them down.
 

Ferrio

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ezrarh said:
Why not use the money to get the actual sites and people that facilitate this kinda stuff instead of arresting a couple dudes. It's like setting up at a corner peddling drugs and arresting buyers.

That'd require real work geeeeeez

Not gonna do much except help your stats

That's what they care about. They just want numbers to show they're doing something, even if it doesn't mean squat.
 
ezrarh said:
Why not use the money to get the actual sites and people that facilitate this kinda stuff instead of arresting a couple dudes. It's like setting up at a corner peddling drugs and arresting buyers. Not gonna do much except help your stats
Why pick just one enforcement strategy? Why not have these sting sites and go after the real child porn sites, and producers, and customers, in addition?

Also if by 'helping your stats' takes potentially dangerous pedophiles off the street what exactly is the problem?

Ferrio said:
That's what they care about. They just want numbers to show they're doing something, even if it doesn't mean squat.
I think it means a lot. People who show a willingness to pay to travel to other countries to molest children should be behind bars, not in our communities.
 

Slayven

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Neuromancer said:
Why pick just one enforcement strategy? Why not have these sting sites and go after the real child porn sites, and producers, and customers, in addition?

Also if by 'helping your stats' takes potentially dangerous pedophiles off the street what exactly is the problem?


I think it means a lot. People who show a willingness to pay to travel to other countries to molest children should be behind bars, not in our communities.
That and they can get the guys they do catch to drop a dime on others.
 

h_a_t

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ezrarh said:
Why not use the money to get the actual sites and people that facilitate this kinda stuff instead of arresting a couple dudes. It's like setting up at a corner peddling drugs and arresting buyers. Not gonna do much except help your stats



Oh really...

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Ferrio

Banned
Neuromancer said:
I think it means a lot. People who show a willingness to pay to travel to other countries to molest children should be behind bars, not in our communities.

I will agree that ya they might catch the odd joe here or there. *But* the really really bad offenders, the ones we *should* care about seems to be rarely touched. Whether because of time/money/they aren't stupid as these single people who knows. But catching a few fish that were stupid enough to wander away from the school isn't doing a lot in the big picture.
 

Slayven

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Ferrio said:
I will agree that ya they might catch the odd joe here or there. *But* the really really bad offenders, the ones we *should* care about seems to be rarely touched. Whether because of time/money/they aren't stupid as these single people who knows. But catching a few fish that were stupid enough to wander away from the school isn't doing a lot in the big picture.
So they shouldn't even try?
 

Ferrio

Banned
Slayven said:
So they shouldn't even try?

Sure they can try, but like I said it's more of a "make everyone feel better" hand waving than anything.

The drug analogy someone mentioned early fits nicely. You can bust as many addicts as you want, but you aren't really helping the overall problem.
 

Dresden

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Ferrio said:
I will agree that ya they might catch the odd joe here or there. *But* the really really bad offenders, the ones we *should* care about seems to be rarely touched. Whether because of time/money/they aren't stupid as these single people who knows. But catching a few fish that were stupid enough to wander away from the school isn't doing a lot in the big picture.
You gotta start somewhere. I also have no sympathy for the guy.

I heard once, though, that the worst offenders--those who produce cp, along with human trafficking--are nearly untouchable, especially if they operate outside of the US.
 
Ferrio said:
I will agree that ya they might catch the odd joe here or there. *But* the really really bad offenders, the ones we *should* care about seems to be rarely touched. Whether because of time/money/they aren't stupid as these single people who knows. But catching a few fish that were stupid enough to wander away from the school isn't doing a lot in the big picture.
You don't know the numbers on how many guys this site has caught. It is probably more than you think.

Ferrio said:
Sure they can try, but like I said it's more of a "make everyone feel better" hand waving than anything.
Arresting people who show a willingness so sexually abuse children is not hand waving. It's making a difference. Even if this site only caught one guy, who was then arrested and unable to hurt a child, I'd say it was worth it. YMMV.
 

Slayven

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There have been several high profile international stings that have netted hundreds of people in the last few years.
 
Our local news once had a child porn story that was very obviously false. The website they described (while technically child porn) was rather borderline and not something that someone would actually make. Then they gave the FULL web address on air.

Soooo obviously a trap. Which I am fine with. I DO think it is unethical to pass it off as news though.

(btw the news channel that did it is owned by the Mormon church)
 
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