Of course it happens more often with men as men play online games than Women.No, this is simply not true.
We ALL have endured plenty of crap online. This is how the world works, either for right or wrong. Even on games with good mood like Rocket League you have to put up with the usual "noob" accusations from trolls and much worse stuff.
I don't give a pass to these rat kids who act like this but making conspiracy and victimization theories out of this is not only out of proportion but wickedly manipulative and ill-intended.
If we had to bring to public attention every time a guy is harrassed over online gaming or the likes, we could fill up a 24/7 news channel and still would not cover half of it.
The logic is undeniable. Anyone that questions a culture that supports bad behavior must have ulterior motives. No need to make coherent arguments when you can use dumb insults like "white knight"
In neither case are those insults targeting or making fun of straight white males, which is the point. They are the privileged, untrollable demographic.
CorrectedBut do you even lift, bruh?
I dont call myself a gamer because while it is true (ie a human that plays games) its not something that defines me as a human. I mean I don't go around calling myself a breather either.
I don't believe this is an accurate picture. I don't consider mobile phone game players on equal footing to those who play on dedicated gaming devices.According to the Pew Research Center, in a 2015 survey, 33% of young men identified as “gamers”, while only 9% of young women felt comfortable with the label. Yet the same survey found that there wasn’t a huge difference between the overall number of men and women who actually play games – 50% and 48% respectively. Why are women almost four times as hesitant to embrace the label for what they enjoy doing?
with pretty rough online chatter to all parties, with women being berated even more than average.
I don't believe this is an accurate picture. I don't consider mobile phone game players on equal footing to those who play on dedicated gaming devices.
Perhaps there are 4 times less women who play "video games" that identify as gamers because there are 4 times less women who play core games that the actual gaming community care about?
Abnormal people who can not distinguish between games and reality
Writer? These people are professional victims, not writers.They better fire this sexist writer, btw she quote studies from 2015 which is also ridiculous, if they let this writer keep the job they should e label as one of the hate groups and be banned from many major social media according to their policies.
No, the problem are the dudes dropping all the insults of against everyone diminishing the enjoyment for everyone."And 92% of the people knows that" right? Give me an statistic study that demonstrates that.
No, I havent been harassed every game I played, and most of the times I play multiplayer games nobody is harassing nobody. I would even say I found more friendly people than idiots playing online.
Yes, indeed, when an idiot starts harassing a girl they will use common misogynistic insults an behaviour, like when some idiot tries to bully a guy they will overuse the usual "fag, virgin, i fcked your mother/sister". So what? It's a random idiot on internet. Mute+block and bye bye.
You know what's the problem? Attentionwhores. Girls that are being bullied and instead of doing what common sense dictates they decide to become snowflakes and cry out loud on internet how bad men are and how badly they are being bullied because they are women. Cut the crap, nobody is special, everybody gets bullied by some idiot. Mute+block+report and forget about them.
We ALL have endured plenty of crap online. This is how the world works, either for right or wrong.
So much defeatism in one sentence.
In neither case are those insults targeting or making fun of straight white males, which is the point. They are the privileged, untrollable demographic. All other demographics, and the slurs for them, are fair game for harassment and insulting those you don't like. And then straight white men wonder in shock why the extreme SJW crowd turned "straight white male" into a slur of sorts.
Not defeatism. Realism. The world isn't built to coddle you and protect you from things you find offensive. Take the punches, get a thicker skin, and toss some back.
Probably because these man hating feminists see that there is a social sphere that women do not dominate in that generates money and has some kind of societal impact.What is even the point of being called a "gamer" and so important about it? I mean, unless it is your profession or something - to play games everyday - I don't see the point. Like people said before, it's a hobby, most people barely care if you "identify" yourself as a gamer or not.
No, the problem are the dudes dropping all the insults of against everyone diminishing the enjoyment for everyone.
Dude, don't get your panties in a wad, you know good damn well its dudes doing the vast majority of if the insults making online gaming a less than hospitable place for everyone. You are being intellectually dishonest and moreover you are obviously immature. You let me know when it becomes a widespread problem when groups of women all in the lobby gang up on the lone dude saying terrible things.The problem are the PEOPLE doing that. Not only dudes drop insults while playing online.
You are the only one focusing on the wrong thing.
Dude, don't get your panties in a wad, you know good damn well its dudes doing the vast majority of if the insults making online gaming a less than hospitable place for everyone.
It’s not the same. And it’s less. Come on. It is disingenuous to suggest otherwise:This logic doesn't make sense since mostly boys/men are playing with mics. But when girl are online with mics they do the same stuff as well. I don't know why you're acting like only males act crazy online.
It's so common that people sometimes only deal with a party they play a game with and no one else.
I dont call myself a gamer because while it is true (ie a human that plays games) its not something that defines me as a human. I mean I don't go around calling myself a breather either.
Dude, don't get your panties in a wad, you know good damn well its dudes doing the vast majority of if the insults making online gaming a less than hospitable place for everyone. You are being intellectually dishonest and moreover you are obviously immature. You let me know when it becomes a widespread problem when groups of women all in the lobby gang up on the lone dude saying terrible things.
The real fix here is not to focus on what the original article discusses. Its how to curtail this stuff in the first place to begin with to make it a better place for everyone playing. This shouldn't be controversial, yet, here we are. Some folks defending bullies.
Dude
My FFXI linskshell was led by a woman for years."Women should lead gaming communities."
Leadership is typically the result of merit and performance.
By all means, create and lead your own gaming communities. There is literally nothing stopping you.
I sure did. You are a dude.There are more guys playing multiplayer games with voice chat, therefore, there are more idiot guys playing multiplayer games. That doesn't mean there aren't idiot girls playing multiplayer games. There's no trouble with girls in multiplayer games, there are idiots that will pick any victim to have fun and you can behave like an adult and mute+block or you can act like a spoiled brat and write articles/upload youtube crying and bitching about that random idiot that called you names.
DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?????
But the point remains that more things should be done to bring down the level acrimony online towards all people.
You defending this sort of behavior is very telling.
I sure did. You are a dude.
I know this is not aimed at me, but..Again, you are putting the imputus on the affected. Maybe try and stop the behaviour to begin with? You defending this sort of behavior is very telling.
While I understand your criticism of the article. Fine. But the point remains that more things should be done to bring down the level acrimony online towards all people.
Dude, don't get your panties in a wad,,,
Maybe try and stop the behaviour to begin with? You defending this sort of behavior is very telling
Yes, indeed, when an idiot starts harassing a girl they will use common misogynistic insults an behaviour, like when some idiot tries to bully a guy they will overuse the usual "fag, virgin, i fcked your mother/sister". So what? It's a random idiot on internet. Mute+block and bye bye.
Enjoy being a Monster Truck. If its Grave Digger, Ill give you my number. (Yes, Im joking around).Indeed. And you know what? WE ALREADY HAVE THE WAY TO DO THIS!! Mute + Block!!! You can even report them after that and some of them will be punished or even banned from that game!!! Win/Win situation, no throwbacks, no recoil, no backfire.
I'm not defending them, I'm the one calling them idiots if you still haven't noticed. I'm only saying there's no "men stalking gamer girls" epidemy. It's just a bunch of idiots having fun doing stupid shit against other people, but some people can deal with it like adults and use the mute and block features and others decide to become snowflakes and cry out loud about how bad those guys are with them.
I identify myself as a Monster Truck :3
Yes, they do. But they do not have a right to be assholes while using the private servers of a company who is hosting a game. Companies are already starting to crack down on this type of stuff (like the racial slurs). I can specifically think of Rainbow 6 doing this. You do not have a right to be an asshole in a private server. Its more like being an asshole in a bar. The bar can kick you out for being an asshole.I know this is not aimed at me, but..
What exactly, are you proposing? People have the right to be assholes. If you don't like someone, avoid them. That's how you do it in real life and that's how you do it in games by blocking them. In games you meet a lot of people of different ages, cultures, classes, backgrounds. People with mental illnesses. People you would never be willing or able to interact with in real life. It's the price of true diversity. If you can't deal with that and blocking is too inconvenient for you, play with friends.
It looks childish because it is. Its a reflection on how much pearl clutching is going on on this thread that somehow their online experience will be ruined if companies take a more aggressive approach on trash talking in their games.C'mon man, drop that shit. It looks childish.
Yes, this should be the aim and then, by proxy women being attacked/harassed benefit automatically. However, you need to read this:
People pick up on anything. A lisp, a 'hillbilly' accent, an effeminate voice. You see most of us went through this - it's a rite of passage for online play. A lot of people - even here on gaf - have just shrugged it off and no longer play those games. I don't play CoD since WaW because of the amount of racist and gay insults down the mic. Also because I suck and got told it many times with different expletives I (and many others) haven't gone on a crusade to make everyone nice and friendly. There are tons of games to play with more wholesome communities. Some communities are built around elitism and having an 'edge', because that group of people thrive on those things to elevate and motivate their playing.
Also, you need to reappraise your position on women in general. Back in the day on MSN Gaming Zone some were infamous, then there were other places like iSketch and neopets, that's not even counting games like BF4, Warframe and WoW. If you think women are not capable of being assholes then you haven't played with a wide enough pool. I've known girls target someone, get in a private chat then get an ip and DDOS them off PSN. Guys were gullible and thirsty.
Your option for team based games is to just leave the game and queue again.Plus, this isn't an option for team based play.
Companies have always done something against people that behave like assholes... but it is fighting windmills. For any asshole that gets banned, a new one will pop up and banning someone on console won't do much anyways, unless the whole console gets banned from PSN/XBL.Yes, they do. But they do not have a right to be assholes while using the private servers of a company who is hosting a game. Companies are already starting to crack down on this type of stuff (like the racial slurs). I can specifically think of Rainbow 6 doing this.
They are idiots, but what you are proposing does not stop the idiots, just limits the idiots ability to reach the user. Plus, this isn't an option for team based play.
The only way to fight this properly is by ignoring said people. Blocking, muting or leaving a game as a last resort.
I never claimed that to be a good solution.That was never a good solutions to deal with Cheaters, Team Killers, Player Killers, early Quitters and about every other online nastiness. It's not for verbal abuse either.
No, its not stopping the idiots. Stopping the idiots is stopping their ability to continue to harass users (not just the ones who have to suffer some bullshit, then block them). IE ban them.Limiting the idiots ability to reach users to bully is literally stopping them.
And yes, it's an option for team based play because
1) You won't be playing well with a Kid/idiot Ranting nonstop on the voice chat so why bother hearing them
2)You won't play again with those idiots making the chances of having nice teams higher
Still a Win/Win situation the Mute+Block option. What's your idea? "Reeducating males so they don't bully???". Again it's not a "males vs females" situation. They don't give a fuck about sex, race, sexuality or wathever, bullies want one single thing: ATTENTION. And they get that attention when they manage to trigger somebody into answering them. Mute and block them and they won't get the attention they want, they will get bored and leave with the tail between the legs. Congratulations, an ancient system called "mute+block" solved the issue.
Yet the same survey found [...] the overall number of women who actually play games – 48%.
No, its not stopping the idiots. Stopping the idiots is stopping their ability to continue to harass users (not just the ones who have to suffer some bullshit, then block them). IE ban them.
I didn't say it was overall a male v. female issue (though they do get more than their fair share). Its an online toxicity issue. In other words, you have to ban the players for using such language. Not allow them to spew their nonsense in the first place. That is literally stopping them. To actually curtail behavior you have to address the source, not the symptom.
I don't think I agree with the "those whiny babies have thin skin" point of view. I'm glad the few shooters I have played regularly like Battlefield don't have open voice chat. I like how text is more in use on PC because you have to go out of your way to read it. The one single time in a pub server that someone talked to me in Battlefield 4 it was some asshole screaming because we were losing in a video game. Fuck that.
We aren't talking about just the user. We are talking about how to address this on a much broader scale.As a player I can't ban people but I can mute, block and REPORT.