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WaPo: Trumps voter-fraud commission wants to know info of every voter in the U.S.
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Host Samurai
Member
Now Kansas
Widdle Puppy
Banned
What would his idiot commission even do with this information?
Beer Monkey
Member
Starting to think they knew the voter roll requests would be rejected so they can use it to feed their fraud narrative.
They are already saying "what do these secretaries of state have to hide" on the radio.
They are already saying "what do these secretaries of state have to hide" on the radio.
Fishing for even smallest infraction so they could use that / them as stepping stone for voter suppression laws.
djplaeskool
Member
Of course Georgia is going to comply. JFC.
Edit: hmmm, seems what they're providing won't include private or privileged information.
Edit: hmmm, seems what they're providing won't include private or privileged information.
PabloBolivar
Banned
I'm all for a national ID or chip, but im not sure about this shit.
SaviourMK2
Member
The voter-fraud commission can fuck off. Why should we surrender information to a commission run by a biased voter fraud propaganda believer when they've offered zero evidence to back up Trump's claim?
We don't need to prove they're wrong. It's fact
We don't need to prove they're wrong. It's fact
Shadow Puppetry
Member
Even if they don't find anything, Trump and his Minions will still cry voters fraud.
Autodidact
Banned
Thankfully, most the states will yell, "Fuck you!" right back. He can't force them to change their election laws - one of the benefits of having a decentralized voting system and states' rights.
They'll cry anyway. This is useful for gerrymandering and other methods of voter suppression. Not so much for disseminating correct information to the masses, which is something they have never had any intention of doing.
Squirrel Killer
Member
Assuming they're looking to identify fraud, they would cross check the information to look for duplicate voting. Does Firstname: Widdle, Lastname: Puppy, DOB: 1/1/1990, SSN: xxx-xx-1234 (and maybe a couple of other fields) show up as having voted in the 2016 general election in both California and Texas? That might be a case of voting fraud. This kind of voting fraud (people with old addresses that still receive absentee ballots, people with 2nd addresses, etc...) happens a bit more than the in-person voting fraud Republicans use to scaremonger into voter ID laws, but it's still probably a drop in the bucket.
What I assume they really want to do is gin up a big number they can point to in order to claim Trump really won the popular vote. If they drop any one of those comparison fields, there are enough people in a population of 300m+ that have the same name that this would generate a shitload of false positives. I recently took an old voter file I had lying around and out of ~14,000 people, if I only did first and last name, >1,000 showed as dupes. Adding YOB, I still had ~50. So I expect them to do what I did. Cross checking against just first and last name is going to be an absurd number, so they'll probably tailor the cross check to target a number around what Trump lost by.
Heh, Wisconsin's handing over the public data and selling them the private stuff for $12,500
Well, I suppose we all do have a price.
http://a.msn.com/r/2/BBDuVo5?a=1&m=EN-US
Edit: Yeah, okay okay. I read it wrong. :'(
Well, I suppose we all do have a price.
http://a.msn.com/r/2/BBDuVo5?a=1&m=EN-US
Edit: Yeah, okay okay. I read it wrong. :'(
Autodidact
Banned
Anyone can technically access and/or buy this information.
Zoe
Member
Er... no. Maybe actually try reading their statement?
https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/880843028734382080/photo/1
As a Mississippian, can I say that I am super proud of my Secretary of State's response to the records request?
MS Secretary of State Delbert Hoseman (R): They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi is a great State to launch from.
Frankly, if a deep south state tells you stuff it, that's saying something.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/880897729152638977
MS Secretary of State Delbert Hoseman (R): They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi is a great State to launch from.
Frankly, if a deep south state tells you stuff it, that's saying something.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/880897729152638977
Autodidact
Banned
Yeah, if even deep south states with Republican Secretaries of State are flipping the bird, this thing won't go far.
Pennsylvania isn't handing anything over either.
https://twitter.com/GovernorTomWolf/status/880893706517315584
https://twitter.com/GovernorTomWolf/status/880893706517315584
CitizenVectron
Member
This is a win-win for Trump. If he gets the data, he gets it. If he doesn't he will tell everyone that the Democrats are hiding something, why else refuse? Then it muddies the water regarding hacking, voter manipulation, etc.
My state's (Mississippi) Secretary of State (a Republican) just refused him. Good luck on Trump trying to spin that into partisan politics.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Even Red states are refusing him.
Autodidact
Banned
Yes, that line of logic works when Mississippi and South Dakota and their Republican Secretaries of State have denied the request.
djplaeskool
Member
Seems to be the same data Georgia provided.
Now I'm kinda concerned about the fact that all of that data is more or less publicly available information.
PhoenixDawn
Member
I just can't see that working. Even the more hardcore Republicans are likely strongly against their personal information/voting records being sold and made publicly available by the white house. I just can't see how they would spin it so that that base would eat it up outside of people who are hopelessly brainwashed especially when a significant number of Republican leaders have already came out against the request.
Zoe
Member
Why?
Multiple governors and AGs of red states just refused him or are going to just give them already public information and refusijgnto hand over private info.
RPGCrazied
Member
Damn, 22 states so far saying no, you aren't getting them?
What about the states that matters in elections?
What about the states that matters in elections?
hammysaurusrex
Member
I'm not sure how widespread it is, but during the last election some Republican groups send out fliers to neighborhoods basically saying "if you try to sit out this election, we'll make sure your neighbors know..."
I can see people being uncomfortable with that, even while understanding the need for public voting records for transparency.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
Not even Kobach's own state wants any of it.
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) says his state will not provide certain information to the voter fraud commission for which he serves as the vice chairman.
The Kansas City Star reported Friday that Kobach has declined to hand over the last four digits of voters' Social Security numbers to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, the panel created by President Trump to investigate his claim of widespread voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election.
In Kansas, the Social Security number is not publicly available," he told the Star. "Every state receives the same letter but were not asking for it if its not publicly available.
Some officials have said that their state's laws do not permit them to release information that's not publicly available. Others, however, said they would not comply with the request in protest of Trump's establishment of the commission, which some have accused of being a voter suppression tool.
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) says his state will not provide certain information to the voter fraud commission for which he serves as the vice chairman.
The Kansas City Star reported Friday that Kobach has declined to hand over the last four digits of voters' Social Security numbers to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, the panel created by President Trump to investigate his claim of widespread voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election.
In Kansas, the Social Security number is not publicly available," he told the Star. "Every state receives the same letter but were not asking for it if its not publicly available.
Some officials have said that their state's laws do not permit them to release information that's not publicly available. Others, however, said they would not comply with the request in protest of Trump's establishment of the commission, which some have accused of being a voter suppression tool.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yup. This is the start of their move to ensure a Trump re-election.
sturgboski
Member
Fox had an article about Democrat governors interfering in the voter fraud investigatation. I only read the headline which was heavy on these "Democrats ruin everything Trump wants to do."
Mississippi's secretary of state says he'll tell the commission to go jump in the gulf of Mexico if he receives a request from the commission for personal information about voters.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/30/hosemann-voter-records/444623001/
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/30/hosemann-voter-records/444623001/
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Can someone provide a list of states that said no?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Ahahaha wow I'm surprised even the red states are saying "fuck you" this hard
EdibleKnife
Member
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
Wow, even Kentucky. That's surprising.
She's been trump slobbering since day one. Be interesting to see how this propels her career.
What is going on this week? Between republicans defying this commission, republican lawmakers denying Trump's attempt to privatize air traffic control, and a council pushing forth a plan to limit Trump's authority to fight ISIS without congressional approval, they seem to be viewing him more as an obstacle to overcome than someone they can rally behind.
Edit: IL hasn't said no yet? What the f?
Edit: IL hasn't said no yet? What the f?
samoscratch
Member
IMO they basically want to use this info to redraw district lines. They did after all ask for party affiliation to be included in data.
And isn't the guy in charge of this the architect behind past voter suppression efforts.
I'm sure Florida (my state) will hand the data over, which makes my blood boil. They will be hearing from me if that's the case.
And isn't the guy in charge of this the architect behind past voter suppression efforts.
I'm sure Florida (my state) will hand the data over, which makes my blood boil. They will be hearing from me if that's the case.