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wavemetrix: Nintendo’s DS outplays Sony’s PSP

Amir0x

Banned
Ruzbeh said:
The stuff you see in Japan will basically happen in the US. And eventually in Europe. Just wait a lil longer (yes, American DS owners, even longer) and DS am explode. :)

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But how can it happen 'eventually' in Europe? PSP isn't out in Europe yet, so DS is still winning! As Reggie said "that ain't our problem." ;)
 

Sanjuro

Member
Amir0x said:
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But how can it happen 'eventually' in Europe? PSP isn't out in Europe yet, so DS is still winning! As Reggie said "that ain't our problem." ;)

While the PSP by any means is no N-Gage. They need a serious price drop and serious games to start getting in this war. The hidden weapon Nintendo will always have now is simply great more great games for the GBA. More people own that system than almost anything and with the Micro coming out even more will and Nintendo would be wise to keep that in mind.
 

Uter

Member
Drinky Crow said:
"No-one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" -- H. L. Mencken

"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others." -- Samuel Johnson
 

Amir0x

Banned
SanjuroTsubaki said:
While the PSP by any means is no N-Gage. They need a serious price drop and serious games to start getting in this war. The hidden weapon Nintendo will always have now is simply great more great games for the GBA. More people own that system than almost anything and with the Micro coming out even more will and Nintendo would be wise to keep that in mind.

I'm not badmouthin' PSP, if that's what you thought. I think PSP will do fine as soon as it gets some legitimate triple A titles. The future line-up has some in there, but it's just too sparce between. NDS is about to start kickin' ass in terms of content (Kirby/Meteos go go), and that's what really counts here. If PSP doesn't have a chance to get a leg up, it's going to be tough waters persuading more developers to up the ante on portable development costs and provide that stellar original content.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Amir0x said:
I'm not badmouthin' PSP, if that's what you thought. I think PSP will do fine as soon as it gets some legitimate triple A titles. The future line-up has some in there, but it's just too sparce between. NDS is about to start kickin' ass in terms of content (Kirby/Meteos go go), and that's what really counts here. If PSP doesn't have a chance to get a leg up, it's going to be tough waters persuading more developers to up the ante on portable development costs and provide that stellar original content.

WHAT! Your a pussy I was about to sign you up for the anti-PSP clan.....

I'm not really against the PSP either. I owned one for three weeks. Loved Lumines and the potential of the bad boy. But the lack of games, being anal to keep it clean and not break, and retail price are definatley huge downsides as the DS steam picks up.

But I'm not bashing it by any means, if Sony comes up with some smart solutions to those problems they can hop back into this.
 
I hate to pull the old N-fan standard out of the hat, but


Wait for GTA: LCS. I think that will be the litmus test for the future of PSP. I just got my OPM the other day and have been reading through the feature and looking at all the pics and I am blown away. Sure, I'm a GTA nut, but if LCS can't move alot of PSPs and set a bar for development quality, then nothing can (at least in western markets). Sweet Christ, just the thought of tear-assing around LC on a sportbike gets me hot, excluding all the standard (re: totally kickass) R* fair should really help set PSP apart.

I got my first taste of roms on PSP when my friend showed me his with NES stuff and it was really cool, but once LCS comes out, I won't leave home without it.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Guy LeDouche said:
I hate to pull the old N-fan standard out of the hat, but


Wait for GTA: LCS. I think that will be the litmus test for the future of PSP. I just got my OPM the other day and have been reading through the feature and looking at all the pics and I am blown away. Sure, I'm a GTA nut, but if LCS can't move alot of PSPs and set a bar for development quality, then nothing can (at least in western markets). Sweet Christ, just the thought of tear-assing around LC on a sportbike gets me hot, excluding all the standard (re: totally kickass) R* fair should really help set PSP apart.

I got my first taste of roms on PSP when my friend showed me his with NES stuff and it was really cool, but once LCS comes out, I won't leave home without it.

Yeah that would definatley be pure sex. I'm a multi-console gamer. I don't give a shit what game a system is for as long at is fun. Right now I see no reason to have a PSP over a DS. This game would most likely change my opinion and most likely warrent a price drop near the game's street date.
 

Master Z

Member
The psp and nds will be fine. Neither one is doomed and both will have great games to play. Join the anti-fanboy movement and just enjoy games! One!
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
SanjuroTsubaki said:
Super Mario 64 DS
WarioWare Twisted
Polarium
Yoshi's Touch And Go
Kirby Cavas Curse
Meteos
Bomberman

With the best lineup of games coming out currently for any platform later this year? Like the other man said...you have never owned a PS2 at launch.

I didn't own a PS2 at launch (too much good DC stuff out at the time, really), actually, but I had one shortly after.

During the same time period, PS2 absolutely stomped a hole in the DS. The launch wasn't bad (there were some really bright spots, including one of the best arcade racers of the last 5 years), but from March onward, it really picked up. Right about now, Klonoa 2 would have been showing up even...with one of the most memorable falls yet coming up. The DS's upcoming lineup is nowhere near as appealing as PS2's 2001 Fall lineup (which is what made me a fan of the system).

LOOK at what games you listed. Perhaps games of that type are all you need, but I'd like more substance. Heck, the only two that appeal to me at this point are Meteos and Kirby (both of which were just released).

I'll pick up a DS down the road, though. I suppose I see why everyone is so excited about the future lineup, though...it's just unfortunate that most of those games are from series I don't care for. CV should be enough, though. Perhaps a couple others too...

Still, it seems like some of the DS praise is simply the rubber banding effect from the first few months of pain. The system had about the weakest start I've seen from a major player in the market. Honestly, PSP's launch is one of the very best I've experienced...but it was unable to hold that momentum.

On a side note, the unit just isn't as delicate as you seem to believe. I've dropped mine onto a hard tile floor and I've seen others suffer worse. None of them were broken or damaged in anyway (minor scratching in one case). Basically, the only result from the fall was a flying battery cover...which obviously isn't a problem (unless you drop it and the battery cover is lost somewhere).
 

Sanjuro

Member
You still can't throw it in your pocket by itself. Its very fragile maybe in some cases. I saw a friend drop his less than a foot and it was done for good. I enjoyed Logitech's Playgear, but playing with it in it for too long hurt my wrists. Its excellend for carry or if you have large pockets.

As far as the DS goes, I still maintain its better than the PS2 launch. Like you I was enjoying my DC still. Only thing that took my time was co-op Timesplitters and some Tekken Tag Tournament. I remember being hyped for the Bouncer soon after launch and that wasnt that great. First game I remember enjoying highly for the system was GTA3.
 

Andy787

Banned
Bluemercury said:
Of course its miserable, its on a Nintendo console.......
Huh? I'm one of the few people that actually loves the Cube, and the GBA was tied with the PS2 as my favorite system this gen for years. Please don't confuse me with a Nintendo hater. DS hater, sure, but it is only because of the system and what has been released for it.

SanjuroTsubaki said:
Apparently you are having too much fun playing Mace Griffon Bounty Hunter to expierence the great DS games available. Have fun!
Yeah, I guess you're right. Off to save some more.. uh.. stuff, in Mace Griffin.

SanjuroTsubaki said:
No I read the list. I'm enjoying my time with the DS far more than those titles. GTA3 still didnt come for some time. My PS2 until then was host to PS1 games.

And don't get me started on MGS2......If your a fan of the series dont start and argument I've had far too many. MGS and MGS3 are pure sex and two of the finest games ever made.
You honestly are enjoying games like Polarium more than stuff like GTA3 or MGS2 or Ico or Klonoa 2 or FFX?

Drinky Crow said:
I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that Americans aren't nostalgic for PSOne-era 3D and goofy mini-games just YET, but I've been wrong once!

(I'm also betting that Madden 2006 PSP will be a killer app, but we'll see -- the pared down DS version didn't exactly move units, although that could be attributed to the DS' initial sales base of Nintendo fanboys and "hardcore" haters.)
You and me both.
 

Sanjuro

Member
Andy787 said:
You honestly are enjoying games like Polarium more than stuff like GTA3 or MGS2 or Ico or Klonoa 2 or FFX?

Yeah. Cross MGS2 and FFX off the list and you have the arguement. But I don't believe hardware power has to be strong to have a good time. Sure PSP Madden will look better, but as they are starting to make good use of the stylus the games are very unique and fun.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
SanjuroTsubaki said:
Yeah. Cross MGS2 and FFX off the list and you have the arguement. But I don't believe hardware power has to be strong to have a good time. Sure PSP Madden will look better, but as they are starting to make good use of the stylus the games are very unique and fun.

You most certainly do not need the most powerful hardware to have fun, but it does help (a lot in some cases).

The games that I enjoyed during PS2's first year are VERY different from something like Polarium...so it clearly comes down to some differing preferences.

Here's the thing, in addition to the really important games (to me, anyways) like ICO, Silent Hill 2, Klonoa 2, ZOE, Twisted Metal Black, Devil May Cry, J&D, GTAIII, MGS2 (GOT_fucking_Y), THPS3 (WAS really important), etc there were TONS and TONS of simply good (sometimes great) games that really received very little attention from most people (non-launch titles). Games such as Soul Reaver 2, Shadow Hearts, Kessen II, Burnout, Red Faction, Time Crisis II, Shadow of Destiny, Onimusha, Adventures of Cookie and Cream (awesome), Extermination, TXR-Zero, Frequency, Spy Hunter, MDK2, ATV Offroad Fury, Winback, Rumble Racing, XGIII, and RECV. If you DO count the launch titles, you have to remember that there were more titles worth playing at PS2 launch than DS launch by large margin.

Sure, YOU may not care for all of those...but you can't deny that they are all at least GOOD games. You simply are not going to find a list like that on DS. The games you named really are the ONLY games worth looking at, and to many people, half of them aren't even worth touching (just as many of those PS2 games may not appeal to you).

The DS does have plenty of good titles on the horizon, but I just can't understand how anyone could rave about its current lineup...
 

Teddman

Member
dark10x said:
The DS does have plenty of good titles on the horizon, but I just can't understand how anyone could rave about its current lineup...
And yet you are comparing the entire first year of the PS2 lineup to seven months of the DS's (not that you're the only one to do so in this thread). Come late November, the DS will have a LOT more quality software.

Nevermind the question of what the Hell relevance a PS2-Nintendo DS first-year software comparison has in a DS vs. PSP thread, but that's another matter.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
Teddman said:
And yet you are comparing the entire first year of the PS2 lineup to seven months of the DS's (not that you're the only one to do so in this thread). Come late November, the DS will have a LOT more quality software.

Nevermind the question of what the Hell relevance a PS2-Nintendo DS first-year software comparison has in a DS vs. PSP thread, but that's another matter.

Got a list of that quality software? I've seen them before, but I need a refresher... :D
 

Sanjuro

Member
7/02 Spyro Shadow Legacy
7/19 Nanostray
8/01 Ultimate Card Games
8/08 Madden NFL 06
8/22 Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends
Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends
Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends
Nintendogs: Shiba and Friends
8/23 Pac 'n Roll
8/30 Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubadour
9/13 Ultimate Spider-Man
9/15 Scurge: Hive
9/20 Lunar: Dragon Song
9/26 Trace Memory
9/27 Lost in Blue
10/03 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Viewtiful Joe DS (working title)
10/17 Metroid Prime: Hunters
10/18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
11/07 Mario Kart DS
Shrek SuperSlam
11/08 Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
11/14 A Boy and His Blob
ATV: Quad Frenzy
Black & White Creatures
Bust-A-Move DS
Crash Tag Team Racing
Electroplankton
Metroid Prime Pinball
Need for Speed Most Wanted
11/15 Golden Nugget Casino DS
King Kong
Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires
Snowboard Kids DS
Super Pac-Man Pinball
Texas Hold 'Em Poker
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
The Sims 2
Top Spin 2
Touch Golf
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
11/21 Animal Crossing DS
Mario & Luigi 2
11/29 Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
12/06 Ultimate Brain Games
 

JavyOO7

Member
dark10x said:
...but they didn't do it yet in America. That's what I don't get. Outside of a couple games (and only very recently), the library of games available for the DS is pretty awful. I even have a hard time taking opinion into account here. I've walked into stores recently almost willing to grab a DS for Kirby and a few upcoming titles, but everytime I look at the software section, I back off.

Folks just happen to like the DS software lneup, regardless. Doesn't mean it's downright awful.

Yeah.
 

Sanjuro

Member
PSP

7/19 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
8/16 Death, Jr.
9/01 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
World Poker Tour 2K6
9/06 Gretzky NHL 2006
9/08 Namco Museum Battle Collection
9/12 GripShift
9/13 Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
MediEvil Resurrection
9/19 Frantix
9/27 Madden NFL 06
10/01 Midway Arcade Treasures
10/03 Virtua Tennis: World Tour
10/04 X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse
10/18 Bounty Hounds
Burnout Legends
The Con
10/24 Infected
10/25 AC Formula Front
11/01 Free Running
 
SanjuroTsubaki said:
7/02 Spyro Shadow Legacy
7/19 Nanostray
8/01 Ultimate Card Games
8/08 Madden NFL 06
8/22 Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends
Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends
Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends
Nintendogs: Shiba and Friends
8/23 Pac 'n Roll
8/30 Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubadour
9/13 Ultimate Spider-Man
9/15 Scurge: Hive
9/20 Lunar: Dragon Song
9/26 Trace Memory
9/27 Lost in Blue
10/03 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Viewtiful Joe DS (working title)
10/17 Metroid Prime: Hunters
10/18 Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
11/07 Mario Kart DS
Shrek SuperSlam
11/08 Disney's Kim Possible: Kimmunicator
11/14 A Boy and His Blob
ATV: Quad Frenzy
Black & White Creatures
Bust-A-Move DS
Crash Tag Team Racing
Electroplankton
Metroid Prime Pinball
Need for Speed Most Wanted
11/15 Golden Nugget Casino DS
King Kong
Real Time Conflict: Shogun Empires
Snowboard Kids DS
Super Pac-Man Pinball
Texas Hold 'Em Poker
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
The Sims 2
Top Spin 2
Touch Golf
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
11/21 Animal Crossing DS
Mario & Luigi 2
11/29 Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
12/06 Ultimate Brain Games


wtf, this is actually all coming out this year? :-o
 

Amir0x

Banned
dark10x said:
OK, that's the most worthless thing I've ever seen. NEGATIVE ON RIDGE RACER?!!

That's not even the worst offense. POSITIVE ON SMART BOMB.

Whoever did that thing were just trying to be assholes.
 
Society said:

That's what you get when you claim your machine has PS2 grfx and when the games are released you don't deliver...both in grfx and gameplay...

The ds version of NFSU is one of the best looking games on the DS..so people clearly see a bump in grfx...that's not the case with NFSU on PSP...

And I say it again in the portable scene it's not about grfx alone..but also quick fun, gameplay and cheap games.
 

Amir0x

Banned
OptimusPrime said:
That's what you get when you claim your machine has PS2 grfx and when the games are released you don't deliver...both in grfx and gameplay...

The ds version of NFSU is one of the best looking games on the DS..so people clearly see a bump in grfx...that's not the case with NFSU on PSP...

No offense, but that is pretty much the single worst justification for ANYTHING I've heard in my life.

Try again better just to try to save face.
 
OptimusPrime said:
That's what you get when you claim your machine has PS2 grfx and when the games are released you don't deliver...both in grfx and gameplay...

If thats what those people are judging it on then RR would've been in the positive section.
 
SolidSnakex said:
If thats what those people are judging it on then RR would've been in the positive section.

No cos it still doesn't look better then the PS2 counter part....

Amir0x said:
No offense, but that is pretty much the single worst justification for ANYTHING I've heard in my life.

Try again better just to try to save face.

I would love to hear your explaination...cos clearly people are thinking that...I see huge differences btween DS grfx and PSP...but people are comparing the PSP with a PS2...just look at the reviews of Midnight Club 3...it's Sony's own fault..they advertised it like a portable PS2.
 
OptimusPrime said:
No cos it still doesn't look better then the PS2 counter part....

Alot of people put it on the same level as the PS2 version. But if you still think that's the reason its in the negative section, then explain why NBA Street is in the positive section.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Alot of people put it on the same level as the PS2 version. But if you still think that's the reason its in the negative section, then explain why NBA Street is in the positive section.

Cos basketball is a huge sport in the USA! And a quick game of NBA is always cool...that's why :lol
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
No cos it still doesn't look better then the PS2 counter part....

It does, though. The only thing RRV has on Ridge Racers is the amount of geometry it throws around. RRV has higher poly cars, but RR features more effects, better lighting and reflections, and less draw-in (virtually none). The cars are the only area where RRV really stands ahead, and part of that is due to the odd designs chosen for RR.

That little chart seems like bullshit to me (ie - based on a very small group). It's just filled with so many odd choices...
 

Amir0x

Banned
OptimusPrime said:
I would love to hear your explaination...cos clearly people are thinking that...I see huge differences btween DS grfx and PSP...but people are comparing the PSP with a PS2...just look at the reviews of Midnight Club 3...it's Sony's own fault..they advertised it like a portable PS2.

<petpeeve> God damn, I don't know if English is your second language but please use periods. Elipses is not a substitute for periods. </petpeeve>

On topic. Your justification implies that the reason people are disappointed or more critical of PSP is because it's too close to PS2 without living up to it. Discussing only visuals here, then this makes no sense. Why would someone say "oh yeh, i own a PSP but it doesn't live up to the PS2!" but instead say "but... Nintendo DS! Now that is where its at! It's a noteable jump from GBA, anyway!"

At the end of the day, that has nothing to do with perception. If it's a matter of visuals, it's not a matter of not living up to PS2. It's a matter of being the best there is in the portable sector... period. These excuses do not hold up under any scrutiny.

This is about games. And the fact that whoever took that little survey thing is a retard.
 
NFSU2 DS isn't bad.

Here's my feelings on the game as I posted them over at IGN...

..I personally love it.

I'd recommend buying cars before you buy many performance upgrades.

Unlike the console versions, there is no free-roaming mode. You simply go through the Underground menu and pick a level you have unlocked, or you let the DS throw you a random challenge. You can whizz through a decent chunk of the Drag Races quickly before you hit the difficulty threshold that will require you buy better cars, but Own-The-Zone and Circuit Racing find you hitting that point much sooner.

CONTENT

Once you start getting different cars and engaging in different modes, there is A LOT to do. They re-use various tracks, going in reverse, with or without traffic, and traffic also comes in different weights. There are all sorts of rule variations too. In Own the Zone you're competing to perform the best in 4 different areas of the race map. The one with the most zones wins - if it's a draw, whoever crosses the finish line first wins. As a subset of the Circuit Racing mode - there's time trial races, and normal racing... there's Lap Knock Out and stuff too... On each lap completion, the car in last position pulls up from the race. Last car racing wins. The various modes are selectable from the main menu as "Go Underground" or something to that effect. Each mode has a sub menu of levels. For example Circuit Racing has a sub menu of Level 1, Level 2 and Level 3. Each of these has a whole bunch of challenges inside to conquer. Same thing for own the Zone. Drag Racing was initially my favourite part of the game. Then you've got the minigames and the Garage.

The minigames are ultra simplistic. It's laughable that they are presented under the guise of "engine tuning", "nitro tuning" etc. because for the most part it's holding a lever with the stylus to keep a wavering ball within a given path, or using precise timing to tap one of six buttons on the touch screen as an appropriately coloured blob races towards a line (a bit like Donkey Konga, but without music and harder). They're not the main draw of the game obviously, and they're not particularly good, but their inclusion isn't obnoxious or obtrusive... it's better that they're there than not.

CUSTOMISATION

Visual and performance upgrades for your cars have to be unlocked as you progress through the Underground mode. So early on, you'll only be able to use certain rims, certain body work jobs, certain hood bevels, certain paints, neons, certain decals, certain custom decals etc. Once you've bought an upgrade you can use it on all of your cars. You start with what look like pretty lame cars. But with a bit of work they end up looking great! It's satisfying. You do the same for performance... adding better suspension, turbo, drivetrain etc. When you add things like Nitros, it actually alters the function of the touch screen when you're in a race...


GAMEPLAY: AI AND INTERFACE

General control is sensitive but good. You only need to tap the D-pad directions slightly in order to change your course. Holding left or right for any greater amount of time will have you skidding about, and probably stopped up against a wall or a truck. Taking corners is often done easier by releasing the grip on the acceleration as you approach and then taking the bend before applying speed again. The breaks can also do a good job... "R" being good for a sharp handbrake turn.

When you add things like Nitro canisters, you can tap the touch screen when in mid-race, and four Nitro canisters will appear on it. You can then choose which one you wanna burn off for a boost. This is a little fiddly (sometimes it's better to just press L or Y in a frantic race) but its cool none the less.

Racing with the first four cars is immensely frustrating. The handling is worse than it is on later cars, the speed is often nearly-enough but not quite enough. Sometimes if your car isn't as fast as the cars coming up behind you, they can hit you from behind or slightly from the side -- and rather than just shunting you as it would in other games, it sends your car spinning and flipping out of control! Games don't typically get me angry these days, but I was sitting in my room the other day - leading a race for two laps, when suddenly I ran into an oncoming truck. The three other racers whizzed past me and crossed the finishing line. I had not been breathing for the last ten seconds, so I took a good deep breath and tried to restrain myself... "FFFFFFFF..."

I couldn't restrain it. "****ING ****** ****!"
Expletives poured out from my mouth for a good 2 minutes and the urge to snap the DS was very high indeed. I happen to think it's good though. This is challenge. If I don't want it to happen? I've simply gotta be good enough to not hit cars head on!

Now as I've gotten further in the game, I'm starting to like the cars. The handling is better, the speed is great... those videos on IGN? They don't do justice to how quick this game can get. It's probably one of the most graphically impressive games on DS too, even if there is quite bad pop up sometimes. It has nice lighting in particular. Comparisons to PSP games will yield no constructive comment on the quality of this game. As for the AI? Well I have my suspicions as to why people don't like it. I believe that on most levels the game plays "catch up". When you do a custom race this is an option you can turn on or off. This isn't an option in the main single player game. It IS annoying when you've worked hard to get where you are, you make one mistake and then everybody passes you... but having said that, if the option to turn it off had of been there, I probably would have whizzed through this game and put it to rest in a cupboard already.

What I want in the sequel:

• Single card multiplayer mode if possible. If it means less tracks or cars in that mode, that's fine.
• Online play.
• A chat mode incorporated into that online functionality.
• More than two camera angles.
• Bigger custom-decals or more data banks for them.
• An even better interface for drawing them. A Zoom function perhaps?
• An option to turn rubber band AI off in the main game.
• Other than this? More of the same!
 

Monk

Banned
Society said:

You know I was just trying to make sense of it. Could it be possible that non gamers had such an effect?.... No, I give up. I will just assume that people are insane.
 

jarrod

Banned
dark10x said:
The DS's upcoming lineup is nowhere near as appealing as PS2's 2001 Fall lineup (which is what made me a fan of the system).
Really? I dunno, I think they're very comparable... in terms of software timelines DS has been almost exactly like PS2 (weak but varied launch, slow spring/summer, huge 2nd christmas).
 
I'm saving myself for all the DS lovin come August. That's going to be a great month. Not to mention the great console titles (Sonic Gems).
 

akascream

Banned
Look, I'm all for pointing out the PSP/DS drought, but using Ridge Racers as an example of some kind of PSP let down is outright retarded. RR PSP is a fucking great looking game that puts many ps2 games to shame graphically, and it plays like hot neon sex. So get out of here with that shit.
 

Ranger X

Member
I would say that the DS "survived" to the PSP attack.
Mind you guys, Sony right now is having a better entry in the handheld market than Microsoft is having on home console. Don't underestimate the PSP, it's clearly having having the power to reverse things at the next handheld gen ---- clearly more chances than Microsoft taking the lead on the next-gen of home consoles imo.
 

Monk

Banned
Wyzdom said:
I would say that the DS "survived" to the PSP attack.
Mind you guys, Sony right now is having a better entry in the handheld market than Microsoft is having on home console. Don't underestimate the PSP, it's clearly having having the power to reverse things at the next handheld gen ---- clearly more chances than Microsoft taking the lead on the next-gen of home consoles imo.

You are talking like there are games coming on the psp that will kill the DS. So far all the games to be on the DS. In a years time the DS will still be dominating. Maybe the year after that, but I am not so sure since the DS will have a very large lead over the psp by then.
 

Ranger X

Member
Monk said:
You are talking like there are games coming on the psp that will kill the DS. So far all the games to be on the DS. In a years time the DS will still be dominating. Maybe the year after that, but I am not so sure since the DS will have a very large lead over the psp by then.

I'm not considering all the possible futurs. I just pointed that so far, the entry of Sony is impressive. The DS is not selling 4 times like the PSP (like the Ps2 outsold 4 times the Xbox). I doubt the PSP will take the lead in a close futur (2005) but you never know what could happen in 2006. And don't understimate GTA. I think it will put back some teeth on Sony's side. Another thing to note is that the sales of the DS and GBA put together.
If both the DS and GBA were more popular than the PSP then i would say "good luck Sony", turn around and laugh.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
jarrod said:
Really? I dunno, I think they're very comparable... in terms of software timelines DS has been almost exactly like PS2 (weak but varied launch, slow spring/summer, huge 2nd christmas).

Not suprised you feel that way, as some of my favorite games from that time period (on PS2) are games that you seem to hate... :p

Whereas, most of those DS games don't interest me in the least.

Out of that list, I would consider buying...

7/19 Nanostray
8/23 Pac 'n Roll
9/27 Lost in Blue
10/03 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
10/17 Metroid Prime: Hunters (REALLLLLY uncertain about this one, though)
Mario & Luigi 2

That's it. Out of those, only CV really excites me.

PSP isn't much different, though...

8/16 Death, Jr.
9/01 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
MediEvil Resurrection
10/03 Virtua Tennis: World Tour
Burnout Legends
10/24 Infected
10/25 AC Formula Front (provided the massive overhaul makes a good game)

Out of ALL of those games, though, CV appeals the most. It's probably going to be more of the same, but I love those games. Hopefully the music won't suck (like the GBA games, though Circle of the Moon had some pretty catchy tunes).

Honestly, in both cases, the upcoming lineups really don't excite me a whole lot. Several of the PSP launch titles are STILL much more appealing than anything else coming out for either system.

Then again, those are all US releases. I gotta check out the Japanese release calender as well. Perhaps there will be more?
 

Zeo

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NintendosBooger said:
You must have not been an early adopter of the PS2.

To me, it stands as the system with the worst "year-one" to date.

I got my PS2 at launch and for almost a year and a half played nothing but my Dreamcast. I barely touched my PS2 other than SSX and MGS2 (one of which disappointed me).
 

jarrod

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dark10x said:
Not suprised you feel that way, as some of my favorite games from that time period (on PS2) are games that you seem to hate... :p
I'm not looking at this subjectively... industry attitudes reflecting both are almost idential. Most felt PS2/DS had a varied but subpar launch. Most felt PS2/DS had an exteremly slow spring & summer following that. And most felt/feel PS2/DS had/have a stunning fall and holiday season coming after that, loaded with significant releases across the board. It's uncanny really.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
I can see where you are coming from, but the DS comes up short in all three areas. They both had somewhat weak, yet varied, launches...but the PS2 had many more games with more original content AND an overall superior selection. They both have had slow periods leading up until the fall, but PS2 was able to fill the void with more games. Finally, they both have great outlooks for the Fall, but PS2s Fall 2001 lineup was one of the greatest we've had this generation...DS just can't match it.

However, it IS true that the general opinion is as you say it is...I just think their memories have failed them.
 

NWO

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Wyzdom said:
The DS is not selling 4 times like the PSP (like the Ps2 outsold 4 times the Xbox). .

The Xbox came out when the PS2 already sold a ton of consoles with no competition. :lol

If MS would have launched the same time as Sony did there is no way in hell that it would have sold 4 times as much as the Xbox did. Just compare what the PS2 sold to when the Xbox was out and you will see this. That's why there is no way in hell that the PS3 will be able to sell 4 times as much as the Xbox360 because MS will now be launching with Sony and not behind them.
 
NWO said:
The Xbox came out when the PS2 already sold a ton of consoles with no competition. :lol

If MS would have launched the same time as Sony did there is no way in hell that it would have sold 4 times as much as the Xbox did. Just compare what the PS2 sold to when the Xbox was out and you will see this. That's why there is no way in hell that the PS3 will be able to sell 4 times as much as the Xbox360 because MS will now be launching with Sony and not behind them.
Sony cowboy has the numbers, but the PS2 absolutely bitch-slapped the XBox after they were both out.
 
NWO said:
The Xbox came out when the PS2 already sold a ton of consoles with no competition. :lol

Kaz recently pointed this out. When the Xbox launched the PS2 was at 5m in the US. As of now the PS2 is up by 20m units in the US.
 
dark10x said:
However, it IS true that the general opinion is as you say it is...I just think their memories have failed them.

Ditto that. Much hay has been made about the "weak" PS2 launch, but really, not many launches compare. Even if you talk "launch window" and include a month or two.
 
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