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Wkd BO 0630-070217 - Audiences want the D3, don't put Baby in corner but 2nd,
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alfredofroylan
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Transformers and Cars are finally fading away.
In a year that saw the release of BvS and Suicide Squad, WB moving that film to the same day as whatever Neighbors they were up to these days might have actually been the dumbest thing they did that year.
The Nice Guys doing so little made me sad. Was my favorite movie of the summer last year. Crowe was hilarious.
I think it was because Bronson gave it his seal of approval.
Really? I see about two movies a week in theaters and have never gotten a trailer for it. On TV, I've seen an ad for maybe once, and that was about two days ago. The only reason I even realized it existed before this weekend was a poster at my local theater. I think marketing on it was shockingly low considering the talent involved, but I guess WB just wanted to cut their losses considering those reviews.
The Chinese BOT members are expecting $90-100M.
Despicable Me 3 does have the benefit of being the last Hollywood film to open there before the summer local film protection period. Spider-Man et al. are going to have to wait until August to see Chinese money.
The-Numbers is now reporting that same $16.1M for Wonder Woman. So maybe there was an update from the original $15.5M estimate.
RastaMentality
Banned
Since the gross is so domestic heavy, could it outprofit the likes of Cinderella and such ($160m according to deadline)?
VeryGooster
Banned
It's funny because how a certain section of people feel about the MCU is how I've felt about the last few years' of comedies.
They're either:
a) a house party movie
b) (Mostly) white dudes/gals painting NYC or LA red
It's improv heavy but they end up with the same Apatow-esque insult jokes anyway
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Wow Despicable Me at $75M, was expecting low $80M debut.
T5 had a better hold than anticipated, Paramount need all the money they can get.
It's weird, I always thought that T5 would finish with a higher gross than PotC5 WW - who would have thought.
T5 had a better hold than anticipated, Paramount need all the money they can get.
It's weird, I always thought that T5 would finish with a higher gross than PotC5 WW - who would have thought.
vinnygambinkķmi;242416980 said:
It think that we made the same mistake as we made with Ice Age last year. Thinking that Foreign audiences were fine with the Transformers stuff they were getting, and that the freefall domestically would be muted some in the worldwide gross.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Also, none of these films are reading the room all that well, I don't think. Rough Night especially. Wonder Woman drops and starts cleanin house, being all inspirational and uplifting.
And here's this almost decade-late riff on "The Hangover" that's basically "Rich Cokehead White Women Kill a Stripper LOL" and like - who's really feeling that right now? Who wants to take time out of their day to check out a Broad City sketch stretched at minimum 5x past its ideal length?
Nobody's really feeling that vibe right now
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
True. It's just surprising really. Pirates is actually doing much better domestically than I thought it would and if it weren't for the current exchange rates, it would have achieved $1B WW or close to it so clearly audiences are still loving the franchise, but Transformers damn, did not expect such a heavy drop, domestically yes but internationally, nope.
Comedies haven't been kind to audiences. It's been cookie cutter stuff for a decade now.
Depends on the RT score; it's clearly killing or saving movies this year.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Get that money, Edgar.
Nappuccino
Member
Baby Driver's budget at least keeps the return reasonable.
Such a bummer that two of my recent favorites haven't lit up the box office and a major way. (I was hoping for 40 mil . . . I didn't realize the expectations were so low to begin with though.)
BronsonLee
Member
False, I purposely skipped screening of Nice Guys
I killed it because Disco talked about it!
happy baby driver is doing better than expected, expected it to completely bomb for a while now. at least here in the uk sony seem to be pushing it a surprising amount. that'll no doubt stop as soon as spider-man drops but hopefully it'll be enough for the film to do decently.
Starting to think Sony will be desperate to give Lord/Miller a huge paycheck to make MIB23 for next summer. They're available and a script is done. If they shoot by October, it can be out by next summer following 22JS' production schedule. Question is will Lord/Miller do Flash instead?
22 Jump Street was the last huge comedy; would think a third one with the quality of the first two would be at least as big as 22.
22 Jump Street was the last huge comedy; would think a third one with the quality of the first two would be at least as big as 22.
Deal is likely done already.
Zoloft Sonic
Member
Great to see Baby Driver striking gold; I'm sure the heavily-American casting didn't hurt.
I want to imagine Trans5 not making it to 200 domestic to complete it's humilation. Am I kidding myself?
I want to imagine Trans5 not making it to 200 domestic to complete it's humilation. Am I kidding myself?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is a great way to put it. I love it.
Paper Sparrow
Member
The House doesn't always win. (I'm sorry)
digoutyoursoul
Member
Baby Driver is awesome
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Also, on the topic of the vile American comedies that have been a thing for about a decade or so (not to say 2017 comedies are the same brand, but that's kind of what American comedies tend to be now) and Michael Bay vileness finally being shown the door that they should have shown a decade ago, it is worth pointing out that the 2016 election and its outcome of a Trump presidency have made people appreciate that all things are political and have consequences. (which for some reason people had forgotten)
So, killing off the Sandler-brand of 'racism is fun' comedy might actually be something we can thank Trump for.
Ditto on Bay, who somehow does both that AND proactively seeks to sabotage himself with his latest doodoo. You'd almost think he actively hates having to make Transformers movies, yet they keep hiring him for some reason.
So, killing off the Sandler-brand of 'racism is fun' comedy might actually be something we can thank Trump for.
Ditto on Bay, who somehow does both that AND proactively seeks to sabotage himself with his latest doodoo. You'd almost think he actively hates having to make Transformers movies, yet they keep hiring him for some reason.
PhantomX1313
Member
Wondy 5th wknd 16M bigger than
TDKR 5th weekend - 11 million,
AoU 5th weekend - 11.4 million,
Spider-Man 5th weekend - 14.3 million.
TDKR 5th weekend - 11 million,
AoU 5th weekend - 11.4 million,
Spider-Man 5th weekend - 14.3 million.
Hah.
It was only a matter of time before RT became as influential as it is today. I'm surprised it took this long tbh. Yelp did it much quicker
I honestly don't think this is true.
I honestly don't think this is true.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It feels funny considering all the doom and gloom "wah no original movies", "wah rotten tomatoes" hoopla that's been going around lately.
They stilk exsist?
That's also because people are actually taking time to think about purchasing tickets to actual good films. Rising ticket prices and an easy to access movie streaming with quick theater to home turnarounds on films have really affected that.
Like the gramophone.
Messofanego
Banned
What was that about Baby Driver bombing cause of the title?
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
I don't think it's RT as much as the influx of "review drama" that Youtubers have obviously been able to make good money on as their influence is probably increasing over print media.
I mean, I'm not the only person to never read a review anymore yet actively seek Double Toasted, Gremlinproduction (cinemasnob), RLM, and even Angry Joe videos on 'just how bad is it' after 2016 thought us all to never trust reviews of movies ever again. Because with the editing DISASTERS that 2016 shat out, you'd be a fool to watch a movie blindly now. I mean, ID4-2. Ghostbusters, BvS, Suicide Squad... even if you like those movies, you can't make an argument about them having good editing in good faith of reasonable discussion. Because they don't have it.
And somehow TF5's is even worse. I mean, HOW? How can anything be WORSE?
So yeah, that's why you now want reviewers to suffer instead of having to do it yourself, and more importantly, it's free to watch them suffer while saving yourself both money and suffering, while getting some entertainment out of watching people squirm instead.
different topic:
Compare reviews and general responses of audiences of previous Bay movies with the exact same garbage in his latest one. It's not a big effect, but it's there. People are more galvanized and willing to call something out now than they were a few years ago.
That's not always a good thing, but as a non-American I haven't seen a good American comedy in twenty years. Not counting the cornetto's because they're all Brits.
It's funny because last year at this point, we had only four non-sequels (and one sorta sequel, depending how you want to classify BvS) pass 100M, and, out of those, only one wholly original film (Zootopia). This year, we've had three sorta sequels/sorta originals, four additional non-sequels, and out of those four, two were wholly original ideas (I'm counting the Boss Baby here because it's based off an obscure book).
Financially, original ideas are clearly doing better this year.
But the thinkpieces told me REAL CINEMA is doomed
The top 3 openings and domestic runs this summer are likely to be superhero films now. People stop looking beyond that.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Why do you hurt yourself when you don't have to?
This is self-harm, Freeza.
Yet it'll fail to reach the domestic total of any of them. Kinda weird how that works. But still far better performance than I ever expected from Wonder Woman. Congrats.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
"I don't trust critics anymore."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Let's be honest, the real problem was making a comedy called The House and not casting Hugh Laurie.
starchild excalibur
Member
Happy to see comedies like The House and Baywatch underperform. Hoping the same hate befalls Daddy's Home 2 if the film ends up being as lazily-written as some of the other comedies that have come out this year.