"I don't trust critics anymore."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
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Wkd BO 0630-070217 - Audiences want the D3, don't put Baby in corner but 2nd,
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Youtuber reviewers may have some influence but they're not exactly reaching the total movie-going audience. RT has alot more outreach. I doubt you would see a Chris Stuckmann or RLM sticker on a DVD. I still got that DOFP that has that RT Fresh sticker slapped on it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That's a pretty good question, too.
You're damn right
"I don't trust critics anymore."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
Why does AngryJoe get his own comment.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Because he is actually as terrible as 2016 blockbusters were.
inb4 Ghostbusters comments.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
"I don't trust critics anymore."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
Still not as sinful as watching the "Everything Wrong With..." video of a movie instead of the movie itself.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Yeah, that was a bad example.
I included him for legacy reasons and the possibility that other readers might be more inclined to watch him. Aside from some video games and that one Battleship review (because nobody else watched it) I honestly haven't watched his videos in a long time.
I should have said Mark Kermode, but that name wouldn't mean much to American readers of this site. And probably be 'too negative' for most as well because he's more of a classical European critic, meaning that he's not keen on 'shutting his brain off' and that crap.
But I don't read many written reviews on new movies as it is, no. Incidently at best, and without a 'go to' place, like Roger Ebert's reviews were. Sorry man, but that is the honest truth of what reviews I interact with. And presuming other consumers to be similar, I would assume that most consumers are moving into youtube for reviews rather than written form.
Messofanego
Banned
LOL Freeza"I don't trust critics anymore."
*Turns on Angry Joe*
"I feel smarter and more informed already."
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I dunno, I feel like more than a few readers here know of/appreciate Kermode.
Messofanego
Banned
I'll tell you this, citing Kermode is gonna get you more respect than Angry Joe, just a tip!
There's a dick joke in there.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Kermode is great.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Anyway, I feel like it's hard to advocate for the notion that people are eschewing reading reviews (although they probably are) for shitty superficial typically trash-ass YouTube critics—the whole reason we're discussing the phenomenon is that Rotten Tomatoes' influence as a consumer tool is somehow still growing even more than it already had, and Rotten Tomatoes only aggregates written work, not video.
Basically, RT as a legitimate influence on filmgoing choices is, ultimately, a reinforcement that writing about film matters more than "HEY YOUTUBE" open-mouthers doing panel shows to talk about their misconceptions of the film industry.
Basically, RT as a legitimate influence on filmgoing choices is, ultimately, a reinforcement that writing about film matters more than "HEY YOUTUBE" open-mouthers doing panel shows to talk about their misconceptions of the film industry.
Reviews told me ID4-2 was terrible but it was a great comedy.
Can't trust those snobs.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Oh god, pile on me why don't you for not clarifying one side remark.
Unfortunately, that would be one example of a very poorly edited movie somehow getting into the 'certified fresh' territory, yes. But it is just one example among many.
And that's not the problem. The problem that I hoped would be relatable would be the difference between written reviews that might actually not be positive at all, getting tagged as 'fresh' or 'positive' or whatever, making the bonding process of all those together unreliable. Or as I sadly phrased it: not trustworthy.
We have literally had the 'can I just use RT' a dozen times before and the answer was usually 'no' until recently.
The difference being that in an audiovisual format you get more information on the actual feelings of the reviewer because you can see their faces.
Also, on a technical level it doesn't matter which reviewer or critic you believe is more trustworthy, but having more information on what is actually meant versus what the aggregate makes of it, is what I meant to refer to.
Can we move on from my bad phrasing now?
edit:
I was under the false impression they did both, but apparently Stuckmann has a short written site as well next to his Youtube presence. So I assumed they counted his videos. :\
However, as a pattern of looking for reviews, mine is usually imdb or RT, and then go find a video review. Not going for the written ones.
Hell, I look up Kermode on youtube too, not his written reviews either.
Unfortunately, that would be one example of a very poorly edited movie somehow getting into the 'certified fresh' territory, yes. But it is just one example among many.
And that's not the problem. The problem that I hoped would be relatable would be the difference between written reviews that might actually not be positive at all, getting tagged as 'fresh' or 'positive' or whatever, making the bonding process of all those together unreliable. Or as I sadly phrased it: not trustworthy.
We have literally had the 'can I just use RT' a dozen times before and the answer was usually 'no' until recently.
The difference being that in an audiovisual format you get more information on the actual feelings of the reviewer because you can see their faces.
Also, on a technical level it doesn't matter which reviewer or critic you believe is more trustworthy, but having more information on what is actually meant versus what the aggregate makes of it, is what I meant to refer to.
Can we move on from my bad phrasing now?
edit:
I was under the false impression they did both, but apparently Stuckmann has a short written site as well next to his Youtube presence. So I assumed they counted his videos. :\
However, as a pattern of looking for reviews, mine is usually imdb or RT, and then go find a video review. Not going for the written ones.
Hell, I look up Kermode on youtube too, not his written reviews either.
Messofanego
Banned
You assume that consumers are moving to YouTube for reviews, but I think they are mainly going to videos for the entertainment. For actual "is it worth my money", people are just looking at one number and maybe some social media among friends. They are even adding "certified fresh" to every commercial nowadays. I can't remember if that was the case last year.
Also, the reviewer chooses whether it's fresh or not, no matter the context of their review, so not sure why it's not trust worthy
Alex_Mexico
Member
I really think it is a horrible title. First time I heard it I swore it was a comedy for kids.What was that about Baby Driver bombing cause of the title?
Eh, one should always read reviews. But then make their own minds up. Reviews put it to me that Blair Witch Project 2 was a mess when in fact it was so ridiculous it's my go to bad film.
I guess you could say the movie didn't have enough eyez on it.
Hehehehehehehehehehehe
I am so sorry
Obliterator
Member
You know that next Justice League trailer is gonna be 50% Diana footage
Violence Jack
Member
Should be the death of summer released R-rated comedies for a while.
Going to see Baby Driver on the 4th.
Going to see Baby Driver on the 4th.
Messofanego
Banned
It's a memorable title and if you are older than 20 then the reference to a famous Simon and Garfunkel song is cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeqUUNHwAl8
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
Following up on this, I think it's interesting to look at the calendar grosses for 2017 compared to last year
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[U]2017[/U]
1 Beauty and the Beast $503,861,542
2 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 $383,273,975
3 Wonder Woman $346,644,475
4 Logan $226,269,952
5 The Fate of the Furious $225,429,900
6 The LEGO Batman Movie $175,750,384
7 Get Out $175,484,140
8 The Boss Baby $173,540,805
9 Kong: Skull Island $168,052,812
10 Hidden Figures $167,359,816
11 Pirates of the Caribbean 4 $165,466,587
12 Split $138,141,585
13 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $123,941,474
14 Cars 3 $120,714,099
15 La La Land $120,121,532
16 Sing $117,475,050
17 Fifty Shades Darker $114,434,010
18 Transformers 5 $102,103,351
19 John Wick: Chapter Two $92,029,184
20 Power Rangers (2017) $85,364,450
[U]2016[/U]
1 Captain America: Civil War $405,171,192
2 Deadpool $363,070,709
3 The Jungle Book (2016) $359,268,367
4 Finding Dory $358,889,536
5 Zootopia $340,667,809
6 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice $330,360,194
7 Star Wars: The Force Awakens $284,694,956
8 The Revenant $182,765,375
9 X-Men: Apocalypse $153,203,049
10 Kung Fu Panda 3 $143,477,613
11 The Angry Birds Movie $105,585,560
12 The Conjuring 2 $94,074,309
13 Ride Along 2 $91,221,830
14 Central Intelligence $87,799,805
15 Daddy's Home $85,672,859
16 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 $79,268,036
17 Alice Through the Looking Glass $75,549,153
18 10 Cloverfield Lane $72,082,998
19 Independence Day: Resurgence $67,006,100
20 The Divergent Series: Allegiant $66,184,051In general, original/non-franchise films really have done a lot better than 2016, and the top 20 overall is a lot less top heavy. Also note how much animation has taken a dive compared to last year.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
This is pretty much impossible.
Uh yeah I would say most people under 30 haven't listened to Simon and Garfunkel. Their most famous song is now "The Sound of Silence."
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I mean, lets be perfectly clear
The underlying truth of all my criticisms of YouTube personalities is that they stem from a burning white-hot (un)professional envy of their success, and outreach, and their bountiful harvesting of an easily entertained, easily fed audience of rubes who can't wait to be parted from $5-10 bucks a month in patreon money to support my "work."
That I dress this shameful haterism up in respectable clothes and present it as impartial analysis does nothing to hide the roiling ocean of jealousy that is always less than a centimeter away from backing up my entire digestive system from the gall-bladder to my tonsils.
I think the title is fine, but Baby Driver is an obscure S&G song from nearly 50 years ago. It doesnt even make it into their compilation albums. Let's not act like it's just Gen Z missing that reference.
LordOfLore
Banned
Wow.
LordOfLore
Banned
Messofanego
Banned
Obliterator
Member
WW got a shot at $800? Its at $707 right now, so I'd think its at least feasible? That said though Spidey hits next week which will probably impact it pretty hard so maybe not
TheSkullPrince
Member
Hoping to go watch Baby Driver tonight, I'm really glad Edgar Wright has a hit now.
And Transformers only making $17 million in its second weekend and Wonder Woman still killing it has this big ass shit-eating grin on my face right now.
And Transformers only making $17 million in its second weekend and Wonder Woman still killing it has this big ass shit-eating grin on my face right now.
TheTylerDurden
Member
Do we know how long it's theatrical run is? Would be an important factor.
I am sure that with each week it loses screens.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah I think it's gonna miss but probably come reasonably close. Should do over $750 now for sure