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Wkd Box Office 531-6213 - Eisenberg, right ahead! of Mr & Mr Smith, Whitta am cry
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Bobby Roberts
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"Remember the Karate Kid? Man, I wish things had gone differently for that Jaden Smith kid."
The problem is I've never heard of anyone talk about I Am Legend as a zombie film ever; while its source material had influence on what zombies became in film, the antagonists are vampiric in nature.
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Deleted member 1235
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which was the last good M Night movie, signs? Actually I liked that one in the woods as well, but remember it all being about WHAT WILL THE TWIST BE?! because of the guys record of making twist movies. If you watched it without that expectation, it wasn't too bad.
Lady in the crapper.
starchild excalibur
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They made a tubgirl movie?
Will Smith is the ultimate hover parent. Ruining his kids B.O. numbers before he even had his own career (or Will is just making sure no one can ever top him, I can't decide which one I like more).
Bobby Roberts
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It's gone relatively ignored, but there was a story that came out a couple weeks ago in which it was revealed that what Jaden wants for his 15th birthday is emancipation.
That's his birthday wish. To be legally separated from his parents.
That's his birthday wish. To be legally separated from his parents.
Majmun
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The Sixth Sense
He might not be. What are younger audiences going to know him from? His films generally have a short shelf life. Nobody's going back to much of his filmography, even though stuff like Hitch or Men in Black was successful at one time. Comparatively, Brad Pitt's filmography resonates a lot more today with younger audiences. Fight Club is pop culture at this point, Inglorious Basterds, Seven. Pretty widely seen, talked about, revisited. Will Smith's most re-visitable material is Fresh Prince.
Will also had years between films, leaving on some weaker ones in Hancock and Seven Pounds in 08, and coming back with Men in Black 3 in 2012 (which felt dated as it released, and reflects on the star). I wonder if people are really missing him all that much. It doesn't help being that this is advertised as a father/son film, and nobody cares about the duo as a performing team.
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nah, unbreakable was cool
That could either turn out incredibly beneficial or awful for him. Time will tell I suppose. That's very sad though.
It will be a sad day the day he is no longer a headliner.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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It amazes me that M. Night still has this disgustingly massive ego even after 4 major critical flops in a row.
World War Z will suffer from being unable or unwilling to commit to being either a disaster movie or a zombie movie. The marketing is too full of mixed messages. General zombie fans aren't going to be particularly excited about a zombie movie where you seemingly never see an individual zombie up close. It's just hordes of nondescript people climbing over each other. And if it's being sold as a disaster movie, what's the disaster? Some kind of vague infection?
The marketing isn't selling it as either one. They're failing, and perhaps the movie is as well, to deliver a hook. I think that'll be the biggest reason audiences stay away. Just a general impression of "I don't know what this is and why I should care".
The marketing isn't selling it as either one. They're failing, and perhaps the movie is as well, to deliver a hook. I think that'll be the biggest reason audiences stay away. Just a general impression of "I don't know what this is and why I should care".
Bobby Roberts
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He actually tweeted on the day of release that he wanted to sell it by comparing it to Malick and Spielberg.
It would turn out awful. From his point of view, emancipation would give him the right to spend whatever money he has made from acting and singing on whatever he wants. But he's 15 years old and would therefore just be an idiot. All 15 year olds want their parents to butt out of their life, even if their parents are doing a good job. This 15 year old just happens to be rich.
EDIT: Also Will Smith was a producer on The Karate Kid, which is the only reason his kid was in the film.
That's why I said it could go either way. We don't know what the family life really is like. Public image isn't much to go off of because it looks like Smith has his kids trained fairly well on top of stuff we know about the Church of Scientology, who knows how far down the rabbit hole Will stuck his head down there and mushed up his brain because of it.
For all we know his dad is a complete prick behind closed doors and he's trying to escape that.
or yea, rich kid with too much money and wants to blow it on pop rocks and coke. Who knows.
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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Jesus. Did you ever see his interview for The Last Airbender where he says that it's only America that hates his movies and everywhere else calls him a genius?
Thanks. I'm curious to know how much some of these movies spend on marketing.
Signs was legit creepy in the beginning, the part where Joachim Phoenix is watching news in the tv and they show footage of the alien was great and his reaction sold it.
but then it goes to shit.
I enjoyed Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, though, those were great movies.
but then it goes to shit.
I enjoyed Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, though, those were great movies.
Bobby Roberts
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There's a basic rule of thumb, but I've forgotten it. I bet kswiston knows.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
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The Village is fine. It's directed well, the cinematography is amazing, the acting is great and the music is fantastic. And there's nothing wrong with the story. It's just the weird odd dialog that brings it down.
Phoenician_Viking
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After bomba. Give me karate kid 2, now.
Multiply the production budget by 2. That´s the general consensus i think.
Multiply the production budget by 2. That´s the general consensus i think.
It depends on the movie. For most big budget movies, $50-100M. For something like Iron Man 3, probably upwards of $150M. For tentpole and family films, some of this is offset by co-marketing campaigns with fast food restaurants or snack food companies and product placement though. Sony in particular takes advantage of product placement.
A rough rule of thumb for determining if a movie was successful is taking the production budget and multiplying it by three. If the worldwide gross is higher than that number, the movie was probably successful.
TheKaeptain
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So you've never seen Crime Story or any of Jackie's series movies?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, I've seen em, I just think he was pretty boilerplate in those. Most Jackie Chan movies he's a likable figure, but he's still just Jackie Chan being Jackie Chan.
Which is fine: I love those flicks. But for me, he wasn't really Jackie Chan in Karate Kid, to a level I hadn't seen before.
But maybe I'm being a little unfair. I should rewatch and find out. Any excuse to rewatch Police Story is a good one
Which is fine: I love those flicks. But for me, he wasn't really Jackie Chan in Karate Kid, to a level I hadn't seen before.
But maybe I'm being a little unfair. I should rewatch and find out. Any excuse to rewatch Police Story is a good one
Holy shit, After Earth bombed harder than the Coalition Forces in Iraq.
Also, this poster for STiD is terribly apt:
It's only going to be down a bit over 09 but up a lot internationally. In the end it will end up in about the same place, if not slightly ahead of 09. In fact it's only 60 million off from surpassing 09 worldwide. Factor in after market and it's more than fine with a guaranteed sequel (that might have a budget more comparable to 09 than Into darkness, which is probably more than fine).
TheKaeptain
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Nah, I've seen em, I just think he was pretty boilerplate in those. Most Jackie Chan movies he's a likable figure, but he's still just Jackie Chan being Jackie Chan.
Which is fine: I love those flicks. But for me, he wasn't really Jackie Chan in Karate Kid, to a level I hadn't seen before.
But maybe I'm being a little unfair. I should rewatch and find out. Any excuse to rewatch Police Story is a good one
Crime Story isn't part of the Police Story series. It's a Crime drama. A very serious crime drama.
Bobby Roberts
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Oh shit. I misread you. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I haven't seen Police Story. I should rectify that.
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
Yeah, I haven't seen Police Story. I should rectify that.
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
World War Z could have been a moderate success or a barely break even movie if the marketing wasn't awful. But right now trailers have failed to show anything exciting, what the threat is and barely explain the premise. Those kind of trailer (John Carter and Star Trek Into Darkness had the same kind of shitty marketing) usually don't lead to massive success.
If you liked Fast 5, you should love Furious 6 also. Very good for what it is.
Succinct Verbosity
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Star Trek's performance is fine by me. It's good enough to keep the franchise alive, but low enough for Paramount to think some changes need to be made.
AgentChris
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I never knew Will Smith was down with that Scientology shit
Really. Never heard anything of this until now, has it been reported anywhere.
Everything that has been painted about the family is basically how golden they are, always doubted myself especially with Scientology thrown into the mix but there must be some crazy shit going on for him to want to make that happen.
Yeah, I also expected it to top TDKR domestically. Now it seems like it'll end at ~$420M at most.
Eh the movie seemed pretty expensive. CG was pretty good, and it was all over the movie. Plus the whole cast must have much bigger paychecks this time around.
All in all, I think the movie did solid. We'll see a sequel, but as others said, it'll be lower budget.
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