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Wow A Link to the Past is amazing
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BlackTron
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Somewhere along the way, we started caring more about what hardware we were using to play than what we were playing.
Did anyway EVER say "I'm missing out on great Nintendo games but I can't bring myself to buy a Game Boy bc shitty Nintendo hardware" just because Game Gear came out?
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Empty? No ...
BlackTron
Member
Did you make it to adult Link? OOT is low on random busy work in an overworld but very dense in classic Zelda puzzle gameplay using items. Basically the inverse of BOTK.
If you get stuck in old Zelda, the game can feel "empty" because you start wanting more busy work so you have something else to do. BOTW/TOTK prevents you from ever getting stuck, just do something else. But are weaker in dungeons. Not saying one is better than the other, TOTK is an amazing achievement, but it's doing something different from old Zelda that doesn't quite invalidate or replace it.
New style is definitely more approachable and has wider appeal. It's more full of stuff, but OOT has other aspects missing in TOTK. So it becomes preference, or what flavor you want that day.
My best Zelda would be a large map full of things to do and side quests, with like 20 old style dungeons. Again, this doesn't invalidate TOTK in any way. It's outstanding.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Play ALBW on 3DS if you want more, it is LTTP-2, uses the same map and plays extremely well on the system.
Holammer
Member
Yes, it's a good game, so was Link's Awakening on the OG Gameboy, at the time anyway.
Now there's a fine remake of LA on the Switch. They should use the engine/experience from that to remake LttP too.
On a personal level I'd rather see a pixel-art remake bring it up to 32-bit style level with more parallax layers, particles and better transparency effects.
Now there's a fine remake of LA on the Switch. They should use the engine/experience from that to remake LttP too.
On a personal level I'd rather see a pixel-art remake bring it up to 32-bit style level with more parallax layers, particles and better transparency effects.
James Sawyer Ford
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Are you talking about ALBW?
It’s a fun playthrough but it’s not close to the original imho
Midnight Bliss
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Links awakening was like the good version of lttp
I guess the quality of games does not matter to the modern gamer
LttP is very good but definitely overrated, I'm not a big fan of the dark world mechanic usage honestly and while it's dungeons are very solid they have been topped in almost all of the 3d Zelda games.
Out of the 2D ones I've played so far I prefer Links Awakening personally even if I think LttP is slightly better. I really like the carefree mood of that game with all the little references and ultimately where the Tale goes is a unique melancholic feeling.
Also about the 3D ones, they are honestly nothing like BOTW I recommend trying Ocarina of Time N64 version 1st with either a GameCube Controller or a Pro Croller (modern controller), just don't use an N64 controller or play the 3ds version because both are a worse experience.
Out of the 2D ones I've played so far I prefer Links Awakening personally even if I think LttP is slightly better. I really like the carefree mood of that game with all the little references and ultimately where the Tale goes is a unique melancholic feeling.
Also about the 3D ones, they are honestly nothing like BOTW I recommend trying Ocarina of Time N64 version 1st with either a GameCube Controller or a Pro Croller (modern controller), just don't use an N64 controller or play the 3ds version because both are a worse experience.
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tomato shrub
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Good to hear, people way exaggerate how "poorly aged" some classics are. Links Awakening seems like a logical next step, since it's the direct sequel and easily available on Switch in its best form.
I'm not sure if you're willing to get a 3DS, but its version of Ocarina of Time is easily the best.
I'm not sure if you're willing to get a 3DS, but its version of Ocarina of Time is easily the best.
MikeM
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I have a hard 60fps minimum rule. 30fps is terrible on my LG C1.
Somewhere along the way, we started caring more about what hardware we were using to play than what we were playing.
Hardware is indicative to performance. Sorry I have standards.
Nintendo is not the sole maker of quality games.
radewagon
Member
It's okay. For me it's hard to ignore that it has a very limited scope compared to newer Zeldas but it's good for what it is. Having played most classic Zelda games past their prime, I was shocked at how highly people view Link to the Past but not at all surprised with Ocarina's reputation.
NeoIkaruGAF
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No, just like nobody ever said “I’m buying a GameCube for RE4 even if I have a PS2 because the PS2 port is inferior”.
The problem lies more in your TV than in gaming hardware.
Unfortunately people pay so much for their OLEDs, it’s hard for them to admit this. I know the feeling.
kvltus lvlzvs
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Blessed thread
MikeM
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The solution is a crt which I certainly do not have room for.
I have a Panasonic ST60 but its wall mounted above a fireplace. No way I can stick a console anywhere near it.
BlackTron
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This is why I still don't have a C1. I want a TV that displays video games well. Not just like the top performing games.
Your standards of performance are like a person who won't read a book unless the pages are on industry leading parchment paper in your preferred size and font. Sounds like a great reading experience but most people are showing up for the actual content of the book. I mean all other things being equal, the game with better graphics wins, but things are seldom equal these days. You would never see me playing a less fun game because it runs better. I have standards too which is why I optimize the setup for the game. For example FPS games on a low latency 144hz monitor with a gaming mouse and Switch games on 46" TV that makes them look good. So I'm playing the good games I actually want instead of letting the format dictate the content.
93xfan
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I started with the NES version and loved it. When I played the beginning of this game at a Super Nintendo Mall Tour, I was blown away to OP. The opening was so amazing! The expanded move set, being able to knock soldiers off a cliff and having scrolling screens in a top down Zelda was such a step up. My hype was through the roof for the final release.
So many good memories of playing that and even replaying it. Special shout out to the Lost Woods music when you first enter them and also the credits music.
So many good memories of playing that and even replaying it. Special shout out to the Lost Woods music when you first enter them and also the credits music.
SmokedMeat
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I played Link to the Past after OoT, and I remember being surprised at how much OoT borrowed from it.
TLZ
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LegendOfKage
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Yeah, I've said for years that LTTP could be released as an indie game right now and it would still be incredibly well received. It's a great game, and you can see its influence everywhere in modern game design.
lachesis
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Glad you like the game.
SNES LTTP pretty much set the entire 2D Zelda formula to its perfection in my opinion. Other 2D Zelda games tend to be the variation of the LTTP. It's that good.
3D Zelda - Ocarina of Time would be the best one. I also concur with the 3DS version as it's easier on the modern eyes. However, if you think of BOTW or TOTK being the standard 3D Zelda... you'd be surprised how different it is. Ocarina of Time set the standard (like LTTP) for 3D Zelda games - but BOTW and TOTK are very very different from its original form, almost to the point of it not feeling like older Zelda games.
Not that I am dissing the BOTW or TOTK - I honestly welcome the change because there have been so many iterations of 3D Zelda games that inherited the Ocarina of Time 3D formula. It was high time for them to break and try something new - and they did amazing job with BOTW and TOTK. That kind of freedom isn't found in past 3D Zelda games. However, previous 3D Zelda games are super solid on its own - with rigid but very entertaining formula and structure.
SNES LTTP pretty much set the entire 2D Zelda formula to its perfection in my opinion. Other 2D Zelda games tend to be the variation of the LTTP. It's that good.
3D Zelda - Ocarina of Time would be the best one. I also concur with the 3DS version as it's easier on the modern eyes. However, if you think of BOTW or TOTK being the standard 3D Zelda... you'd be surprised how different it is. Ocarina of Time set the standard (like LTTP) for 3D Zelda games - but BOTW and TOTK are very very different from its original form, almost to the point of it not feeling like older Zelda games.
Not that I am dissing the BOTW or TOTK - I honestly welcome the change because there have been so many iterations of 3D Zelda games that inherited the Ocarina of Time 3D formula. It was high time for them to break and try something new - and they did amazing job with BOTW and TOTK. That kind of freedom isn't found in past 3D Zelda games. However, previous 3D Zelda games are super solid on its own - with rigid but very entertaining formula and structure.
BlackTron
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I agree with you about Link's Awakening but I have to offer a differing opinion on how to play OOT. This game is like THE REASON I cannot just have an old Wii/WiiU to cover all old Nintendo stuff. Did you play this game originally on N64? Aiming, mapping items to C buttons and playing the ocarina is ruined on anything but the original. I mean if you want to use Gamecube whatever but the advice to avoid N64 is just strange, it's the definitive controller for this game.
Ulysses 31
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Still one of the best Zeldas!
One a sidenote: is my mind playing tricks on me or did one of the dungeons require you to take the boss key from another dungeon? I recall that's how I had to finish one of the dungeons...
This was with the SNES PAL cartridge version so maybe that go changed in later versions. Temped to verify with my Super NT.
One a sidenote: is my mind playing tricks on me or did one of the dungeons require you to take the boss key from another dungeon? I recall that's how I had to finish one of the dungeons...
This was with the SNES PAL cartridge version so maybe that go changed in later versions. Temped to verify with my Super NT.
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cartman414
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Hard agree on the final sentence in particular. Actions in LA felt more swift, the map design felt less gated, and the Roc's Feather jump added a lot. I don't see why ALBW didn't have it, because it would have helped with the verticality.
One other issue with LttP was that a lot of the items didn't retain their usefulness beyond the dungeon they're obtained from.
cartman414
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I did. The movement just felt slower in general, especially in the Water Temple (and that had to do with the slow underwater movement).
BlackTron
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Haha the famous Water Temple. I think a lot of people stopped there. Iron boots, changing the water level. It seemed so intimidating back then, now I love it to death.
Yeah… having played OoT before LttP it was kind of tough. I only then realized that what I had played in 3D as a kid wasn’t all that new. It was just 3D. I think if I went back and played LttP again now I might be more favorable to it knowing it’s coming.
BlackTron
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Yeah Link's Awakening is in a weird spot of being buffed because it was the successor to ALttP but also nerfed because it was on Game Boy. You see aspects in it that would have made a SNES sequel instead the end all.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
LTTP really is a masterpiece, and I really miss that approach to the series. It was so much more direct and, for me, fun.
Once you've finished the game, check out A Link Between Worlds. It's a worthy sequel that, while not quite as good, is a damn fun experience overall that puts a novel spin on the mechanics from LTTP.
Once you've finished the game, check out A Link Between Worlds. It's a worthy sequel that, while not quite as good, is a damn fun experience overall that puts a novel spin on the mechanics from LTTP.
I played Ocarina on the Wii with the GCN controller and it was incredible. Every N64 game played with a GCN controller has worked so much better than the original design, SM64, Paper Mario, Star Fox, Sin and Punishment, you name it, that c stick works like a dream for the N64 controller scheme. The N64 controller is awful, it was bad when I was a kid and as an adult (even though I did figure out the best way to use it via pretending the joystick is a little arcade stick). I played almost all of these games on the original N64 for reference. It has made my Wii secretly my favorite console because that's where all my favorite games are with one if the best ways to play them.
If you can't play with the GCN controller a Pro controller would probably work too but don't quote me on that one.
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yurinka
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Yes, Link's Awakening, A Link to the Past and Breath of the Wild are the best Zelda games by a big distance.
And back in the NES times, in that context, the first Zelda was trully awesome too since it included most of the stuff from the series, including ideas that were brought back in BotW.
And back in the NES times, in that context, the first Zelda was trully awesome too since it included most of the stuff from the series, including ideas that were brought back in BotW.
sainraja
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I experienced A Link to the Past on the SNES in 16-bit, and I got it thinking it was "Ocarina of Time," as that was the game I saw my cousins playing. I didn't understand system spec differences, so my initial reaction was shock, but once I continued playing, I really loved it.
BlackTron
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You are wrong and I deeply resent the misinformation that you are spreading. I have a hacked Wii U with everything on it and a pile of controllers. I keep a Nintendo 64 near it specifically for Ocarina of Time, Starfox and Goldeneye because those three games need the OG controller or else are essentially ruined.
I played OOT Master Quest on Gamecube in a room full of people who had played OOT, watching and taking turns. It was obvious to everyone (who actually played through the game already on the 64) that the new controller was worse for this game. It's brazenly obvious to anyone who played the game on original hardware. Mario 64? Doesn't really matter, play it on anything.
What you are saying is that you don't like the N64 controller. I can respect that opinion (even if I disagree). I'll even give you that GC is a much, much better design. Had OOT been designed for GC controller, that would be nice. But it wasn't, it was designed around the 64 controller and using anything else only adds jank to what should be a perfect all-time gaming experience.
EruditeHobo
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It's genius. Plays and controls wonderfully, even today. Still looks great. The best Zelda.
I tried out Link Between Worlds earlier today... doesn't hold a candle to LTTP. It's ugly. Too minimalistic (in terms of 3D) to even have a good art design. Really disappointing, never played that one before but was very let down.
A Link to the Past, forever!
cartman414
Member
Reread my post. It's the slow underwater movement. No way to just swim, much less the lack of, say, the Zora Mask from Majora's Mask.
cartman414
Member
Yeah. Design refinements. Felt the same way going from Symphony of the Night to Aria of Sorrow.
I won't lie saying I didn't wish for the extra buttons or resolution of the consoles. (Would have been satisfied with 320x240.)