ezekielpacman
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Who the fuck is paying you?
Seriously I cannot believe a normal gamer could write this. I don't want to believe a normal gamer could write this!
Pretty sure he is just trolling. I mean, he must be, right?
Who the fuck is paying you?
Seriously I cannot believe a normal gamer could write this. I don't want to believe a normal gamer could write this!
How do they determine who your family is? They specifically say 'up to 10 family members' but how will they know if Joe Schmo is my brother or my friend?
They don't give a shit about the people with no money. They are targeting people who do have money to spend.I want to know, MS, what about third world countries where there are no Gamestops, nothing of that kind, where indie stores (or mom and pops stores, whatever) sell games, huh? Or am I going to be fucked over when I purchase your console?
what the fuck?lol.
If Sony follows, then Wii U future it is.
this isn't AS bad but it still is awful. Getting a pinecone up the butt is technically not as bad as ygetting shot in the nuts....doesn't make it desirable.
fucking shame.
bu-but we are listening gaaaiz
So, you CAN lend games to friends, but only up to 10 of them? And you can borrow as well using this method? Is that right? This is sort of confusing.
Its not a logical step, they are two very very different companies. What one does is not necessarily what another might do. oh and am very calm, i might still buy the console but its probably 3 years down the line.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main
Highlights (lowlights?):
No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)
Console Checks in Every 24 hours
Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers
You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.
Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time
I'm out, fy microsoft. If Sony does the same with the PS4 I'm out as well.
I'll stick to Steam, handhelds, and Wii U.
This seems like they're willing to ride the storm for a while and looking at the long term.
By next gen ("xbone 2" - sorry, I love saying "xbone"), so many more people will never be buying physical media for anything - movies/music/games, and so a lot of this stuff will be all in the past: lending and selling games etc. And the next generation of gamers will have grown up in this era of no physical media so won't care about a lot of these things. And internet connections are only getting faster and better, so the connectivity won't be an issue either.
It fucking sucks that things are moving that way, I certainly don't support it and won't be buying anything like this. But just saying that is probably how MS are looking at it, in the long term, not just this launch.
Nothing crazy to me. I just want to play games.
The participating retailers part is pretty crappy. The 10 family members on any console is pretty neat though. Especially if they can play simultaneously.
As I've said before, blind brand loyalty to a corporation who could care less about you as an individual is the epitome of stupidity.
Anyone remember the Playstation Network outage?
Yeahhh. Hate to sound like a dick, but I cannot wait to see the result when that happens with the Xbone. "When", not "if". The people who do these kinds of things live to target DRM and closed-Internet enforcers, and this is by far the biggest and best target for them yet.
People are going to go beserk, and Microsoft is finally going to get the wake up call it's deserved for its behavior and business practices over the last few years. Thanks for your martyrdom in advance, Xboners. Your rage might just save the industry.
There will definitely be a "home" console, since otherwise they wouldn't be able to know what Xbone should use the 24 or the 1 hour check. I'm curious how they will tie this, because there's certainly some catch on this.
is this the new "I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)..."
That would mean your game could be used by multiple persons on your console. Bold."Family members" means "Same IP Address"
A lot of people on Gaf are already convincing themselves that this horseshit is "reasonable."
This is going to change consumer buying habits irrevocably!
I swear they will do all this anti-consumer bullshit and they will just end up with less people buying their games.
Jim Sterling deserves special credit since May 21. He has not for one second allowed Microsoft to stomp all over him with PR nonsense. Sticking up for the consumers is the ONLY right thing to do as a game journalist; if you do not, get the fuck out
I'm going to imagine its because they've never used it, or haven't used it in many years.Why the hell do people think this is like Steam?
I take it you know a EULA doesn't mean shit in Europe?I take it you have never read a software EULA?
It's not, you can't give trade games on steam.....
or gift them.....
all of you corporate apologists defending this because of PIRACY.
so pathetic...
they are spitting in the eyes of gamers. fuck them. if Sony does this, fuck them too.
seriously.
I mean, what is that? you're that invested in a company you want everyone else to validate their shit decision so you can feel better about yourself?
fuck. you.
if Sony go down this road then they can shove the PS4 up their arse sideways for all I care. I'm not going to support either.
Yup. this isn't an either or situation. If sony rolls out something similar, they deserve to get shit on, too- perhaps to a greater degree because they've had plenty of time to see the microsoft backlash.
They've effectively banned used games. Yes, you can get them at Gamestop but that just means the Gamestop, and the publishers, will control the price.
This ends any type of free, secondary market for used games which will result in higher prices on ALL games, because the publishers will no longer have to lower a new game's price to compete with the used market.
Gaming is about to get really, really, really expensive compared to the current gen.
I take it you have never read a software EULA?
does your internet connection really go out that much? mine hasn't been out for over 24 hrs without a power outage being the cause in a very, very long time.Pathetic.
That's why it pays to be cynical. These people defending this shit cannot possibly be serious. If they are, there's absolutely no way to relate to such insanity anyway, so it's still not worth bothering with themLooking at his history: yes, he did.
That one is not joking, shill as well.
Many of them aren't "people" as such.
It gets better when you start looking at the posting history of these accounts.
You find accounts with 40 posts that are only active to either defend Microsoft or shit on the products of one of its competitors, over years. You find people that implied XB1 hardware secret sauce right up to the reveal. Then you can start identifying the various diversionary tactics that have been designed to deflect from or counter genuine issues, and how they evolve over time. It's a dark place, and discovering it has made me a more angry poster.
Why is 24 hours bad? I cannot think of a situation where your internet would be off for longer than 24 hours besides when you're moving to a new house or your power was knocked out by a hurricane. Essentially it is the same system as steam only with a few improvements regarding trading.
Well, then take the argument a step further. Lets assume that everyone actually has no problem getting a broadband connection in the 21st century.
What the hell happens when the servers go down for an extended period of time?
If a console has to call home, they need an actual home to call, so what happens if there's no one home?
We'd still be screwed either way.
It's not a lot, just a small group.A lot of people on Gaf are already convincing themselves that this horseshit is "reasonable."
This policy is awesome. I'm ready for the future.
Just gonna leave this here.
It's not possible for Sony to have a similar licensing infrastructure, because the console does not need to access the internet.