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[XcloudTimdog]

Xbox Series X confirms AMD RDNA 2.0 GPUs support DX12 Variable Rate Shading

The new Xbox reveal confirms AMD support for Microsoft's VRS technology

www.pcgamesn.com

Pretty substantial news, DX12 feature that as of right now is only supported in Nvidia Touring series of GPU.!

 

[mckmas8808]

Xbox Series X confirms AMD RDNA 2.0 GPUs support DX12 Variable Rate Shading

The new Xbox reveal confirms AMD support for Microsoft's VRS technology

www.pcgamesn.com

Pretty substantial news, DX12 feature that as of right now is only supported in Nvidia Touring series of GPU.!

So what does this mean really?

 

[Insane Metal]

This was posted already.

 

[Hendrick's]

So what does this mean really?

More GPU bandwidth for what the player is actually looking at. They can selectively allocate processing power to different parts of the image.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

More GPU bandwidth for what the player is actually looking at. They can selectively allocate processing power to different parts of the image.

So in nother words translation in English, a nasty, beastly hurricane coming next holiday season

 

[Dory16]

Sounds like a big deal but also like something that only first party studios would make use of. When Phil said fastest and most powerful (xbox) on the game awards stage, I knew he had to have some serious ammunition in his pocket even if he wasn't stating anything relative to other products.

 

[Starfield]

Sounds like a big deal but also like something that only first party studios would make use of. When Phil said fastest and most powerful (xbox) on the game awards stage, I knew he had to have some serious ammunition in his pocket even if he wasn't stating anything relative to other products.

He probably said that in case the PS5 turns out to be slightly or immensely more powerful than the Series X. Afterall they don't fully know what their competitor is brewing behind doors.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That sure read like a fanboy blog. Also, there was nothing confirmed about RDNA 2.0. Though I would enjoy it, if so.

 

[Starfield]

That sure read like a fanboy blog. Also, there was nothing confirmed about RDNA 2.0. Though I would enjoy it, if so.

If OP is the real timdog then this guy is probably the biggest Xbox fanboi that has ever existed out there

 

[JimboJones]

So what does this mean really?

Things in the background will be blurry and shit looking but it's ok because your not looking at it anyway.

 

[eastwood333]

Sounds like a big deal but also like something that only first party studios would make use of. When Phil said fastest and most powerful (xbox) on the game awards stage, I knew he had to have some serious ammunition in his pocket even if he wasn't stating anything relative to other products.

Phil Spencer 3 or so days ago " Our goal has always been to build the most powerful console we can,and i think we're there. We like leading in power and performance and i feel like we're going to be there again"

 

[Dory16]

Things in the background will be blurry and shit looking but it's ok because your not looking at it anyway.

NVidia use variable rate shading in their most advanced GPUs and they disagree with you:
"Programmable shaders defined modern graphics. Turing GPUs feature new advanced shading technologies that are more powerful, flexible, and efficient than ever before. Combined with GDDR6—the world’s fastest memory—this performance lets you tear through games with maxed-out settings and incredibly high frame rates "

NVIDIA Turing: Reinventing Gaming Graphics

We've fused together real-time ray tracing, artificial intelligence, and programmable shading to give you a whole new way to create and enjoy games.

www.nvidia.com

 

[Lone Wolf]

If OP is the real timdog then this guy is probably the biggest Xbox fanboi that has ever existed out there

Are you calling him fat?

 

[H4ze]

Damn, sounds good to me

 

[mrBarrelNut]

Doesn't confirm anything. RDNA2 may very well have VRS support (it would be foolish not to), but Microsoft is using their own patented VRS solution (supports both VRS Tiers).

Power Your Dreams with Xbox Series X, Available Holiday 2020 - Xbox Wire

Xbox Game Studios unveils Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II, a new chapter in the award-winning Hellblade story from Ninja Theory For eighteen years and three console generations, the Xbox community has shown us the power both games and fun can have on all of us. As we enter a new generation of gaming...

news.xbox.com

Additionally, our patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU

 

[JimboJones]

NVidia use variable rate shading in their most advanced GPUs and they disagree with you:
"Programmable shaders defined modern graphics. Turing GPUs feature new advanced shading technologies that are more powerful, flexible, and efficient than ever before. Combined with GDDR6—the world’s fastest memory—this performance lets you tear through games with maxed-out settings and incredibly high frame rates "

NVIDIA Turing: Reinventing Gaming Graphics

We've fused together real-time ray tracing, artificial intelligence, and programmable shading to give you a whole new way to create and enjoy games.

www.nvidia.com

I'm not sure how they are disagreeing they say it's "flexible and efficient" which is code for making some parts of the image look a bit worse to save on performance. It's kind of like foveated rendering but it doesn't rely on eye tracking.

If parts of the screen are moving fast they could lower resolution or detail on objects because flatppanel are crap displaying things in motion, so you wont notice anyway or at least it won't be as noticeable.

 

[TeamGhobad]

where is DX13?

 

[Dory16]

I'm not sure how they are disagreeing they say it's "flexible and efficient" which is code for making some parts of the image look a bit worse to save on performance. It's kind of like foveated rendering but it doesn't rely on eye tracking.

If parts of the screen are moving fast they could lower resolution or detail on objects because flatppanel are crap displaying things in motion, so you wont notice anyway or at least it won't be as noticeable.

If you're going to skip the description of the outcome (max settings and higher frame rates) to focus on the mean as if it was the outcome (flexible and efficient) then it's beyond help, mate. Turing GPUs are the most advanced PC graphic cards and not because they make things "a bit worse".

 

[JimboJones]

I'm not arguing that they are not advanced? It's a very advanced feature to be able to selectively drop the resolution and detail on objects to save on performance without the user noticing.

 

[onQ123]

How would this compare to Foveated Rendering? (Asking for a friend)

 

[OmaeWaMouShindiggity]

Afterall they don't fully know what their competitor is brewing behind doors.

You would think they have SOME type of idea most likely more than less. They know what is available on the market, for the price point they expect to hit. Unless Sony goes balls deep and decides to either take a huge loss on hardware or charge $799 for their next system (or even has some super secret tech that puts them at 20TF at the same cost as the XSEX 12TF...).....neither side should be getting "blown away".

If Sony does pull a okie doke and completely smashes MS then I would literally lol my way to the bank to take out a loan for the new PS5

 

[Starfield]

You would think they have SOME type of idea most likely more than less. They know what is available on the market, for the price point they expect to hit. Unless Sony goes balls deep and decides to either take a huge loss on hardware or charge $799 for their next system (or even has some super secret tech that puts them at 20TF at the same cost as the XSEX 12TF...).....neither side should be getting "blown away".

If Sony does pull a okie doke and completely smashes MS then I would literally lol my way to the bank to take out a loan for the new PS5

The last thing you said happened at the launch of last year's generation and there's no reason that it couldn't happen again, albeit it has a much smaller chance of happening now.

 

[Aceofspades]

Normal occurance, just like PS4 supported 8ACE prior to Polaris cards. Consoles usually tends to have forward thinking, future proofing features.

I'm sure PS5 will have similar RDNA2 features ready.

 

[ethomaz]

Are there any leaked RDNA 2.0 feature set?

 

[XcloudTimdog]

So what does this mean really?

 

[ZywyPL]

The VRS will be a big deal and quite a game-changer - it already boosts performance by around 15% in Wolfenstein, which doesn't have the biggest and most open levels, to say the least, so in most modern games that blindly follow the open-world design the performance savings will be huge, enabling for better visuals of what's actually around you, instead o the things that are 2 miles away and you can't even tell the difference if they have 10k or 100k polygons etc.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

That sure read like a fanboy blog. Also, there was nothing confirmed about RDNA 2.0. Though I would enjoy it, if so.

 

[Spukc]

DAMN xbox going X sick!
quickly someone post how this means nothing!

 

[Armorian]

The VRS will be a big deal and quite a game-changer - it already boosts performance by around 15% in Wolfenstein, which doesn't have the biggest and most open levels, to say the least, so in most modern games that blindly follow the open-world design the performance savings will be huge, enabling for better visuals of what's actually around you, instead o the things that are 2 miles away and you can't even tell the difference if they have 10k or 100k polygons etc.

All open world games use lod transitions, VSR will just lower quality of some objects

 

[Dr.D00p]

..could be very useful for the 4K ambitions of the next gen.

My RTX 2080 saw a 65% increase in framerate @4K when using VRS in 3DMark's newest test, released last week, with no discernible drop in quality. Meant that it never dropped below 60fps.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is very interesting.

 

[DeceptiveAlarm]

Are you calling him fat?

3 day ban for fat shaming.

 

[Karak]

As we go further seeing these efficiencies is some of the most fun in tech for me.

 

[Shin]

So what does this mean really?

 

[XcloudTimdog]

So what does this mean really?

MS will be explaining in near future. I promise

 

[XcloudTimdog]

Funny in Sony deep dive w/ Wired. No mention of it, maybe a work around


Additionally, our patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU

 

[mckmas8808]

Funny in Sony deep dive w/ Wired. No mention of it, maybe a work around


Additionally, our patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU

Where are you getting the bolded from? Or are you personally saying this?

 

[Hendrick's]

Where are you getting the bolded from? Or are you personally saying this?

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/12/12/microsoft-unveils-Xbox-series-x/

 

[Tarin02543]

As if Sony will allow Microsoft to wear the technology crown.

 

[mckmas8808]

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/12/12/microsoft-unveils-Xbox-series-x/

Maybe this is how they are getting these results from Hellblade 2.....

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

ETA: Sorry, wrong thread!

 

[EverydayBeast]

There's been a lot of reports of consoles borrowing PC components doing forward like SSD, amount of ram etc. watch this be the trend going into PS5, 6, etc.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Funny in Sony deep dive w/ Wired. No mention of it, maybe a work around


Additionally, our patented Variable Rate Shading (VRS) technology will allow developers to get even more out of the Xbox Series X GPU

Patented. Yeah, AMD has also a "patented" VRS. Everyone has a patented VRS :

AMD Patents Variable Rate Shading Technique for Console, VR Performance Domination

So, it's not Xbox exclusive at all. Btw. VRS was invented and presented by Nvidia :

VRWorks - Variable Rate Shading (VRS)

developer.nvidia.com

We introduced Variable Rate Shading (VRS) last year with the Turing architecture. This new, easy to implement rendering technique allows developers to vary the amount of processing power spent across the image, to spend time and increase quality in the areas where they are most needed. Since virtual reality demands both a high performance and a high image quality, VRS is the perfect fit for VR experiences, especially when used in conjunction with eye tracking.

NVIDIA Variable Rate Shading Demonstrated in Autodesk VRED | NVIDIA Technical Blog

We introduced Variable Rate Shading (VRS) last year with the Turing architecture. This new, easy to implement rendering technique allows developers to vary the amount of processing power spent across…

devblogs.nvidia.com

 

[GHG]

Maybe this is how they are getting these results from Hellblade 2.....

That's from the result of it running on a high end PC.

That's the big advantage Microsoft have going into next gen from a marketing perspective. They can throw around things like "in-game" and "in-engine" without needing to specify whether it's running on PC or Xbox hardware since the games are being developed for both.

As an example, we know Flight Simulator 2020 looks stunning on the PC but we are yet to see how it's shaping up on any console hardware.

I don't have a problem with it because it's not flat out lying, but it would be better if they specified.

 

[Bernkastel]

 

[mckmas8808]

That's from the result of it running on a high end PC.

That's the big advantage Microsoft have going into next gen from a marketing perspective. They can throw around things like "in-game" and "in-engine" without needing to specify whether it's running on PC or Xbox hardware since the games are being developed for both.

As an example, we know Flight Simulator 2020 looks stunning on the PC but we are yet to see how it's shaping up on any console hardware.

I don't have a problem with it because it's not flat out lying, but it would be better if they specified.

A high end PC, that's targeting Xbox SX specs though, I'm assuming.

 

[XcloudTimdog]

That's from the result of it running on a high end PC.

That's the big advantage Microsoft have going into next gen from a marketing perspective. They can throw around things like "in-game" and "in-engine" without needing to specify whether it's running on PC or Xbox hardware since the games are being developed for both.

As an example, we know Flight Simulator 2020 looks stunning on the PC but we are yet to see how it's shaping up on any console hardware.

I don't have a problem with it because it's not flat out lying, but it would be better if they specified.

Even tho i dont agree with you on many things, the xbox pc perspective is beneficial to them with certain things.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

DAMN xbox going X sick!
quickly someone post how this means nothing!

 

[Max_Po]

so RDNA 2.0 but no exclusives?

more GAAS through ass ?

 

[pawel86ck]

Performance gain is extreme, almost twice as many fps. IMO this feature can actually make 4K 60fps a reality on next gen consoles.