Yeah. Let's pat ourselves on the back for winning our self-created strawman arguments. Never mind the validity of being the least bit concerned and asking questions about suspect media content. Now those pesky LGBTers can shut the fuck up and leave our precious vidya games alone.
Well, there's the fact that the game's written by a gay man which should immediately discredit any sort of homophobia attacks that were made around that pink suit. But whatever, that's just a detail.
Thanks LGBT community, but we already know that gay =/= evil. Thanks for your concern.
Yeah, and? Dude answers to people and can still fuck up. The number of times that minorities have written horribly offensive content about their own kind cannot be understated. See: Tyler Perry, Eva Longoria. The number of minorities who arent self-aware and perpetuate and go along with prejudices of their own kind also cannot be denied.
But whatever, it's just reality. Let's beat up on a few people on GAF for being the least bit concerned.
Yeah, and? Dude answers to people and can still fuck up. The number of times that minorities have written horribly offensive content about their own kind cannot be understated. See: Tyler Perry, Eva Longoria. The number of minorities who arent self-aware and perpetuate and go along with prejudices of their own kind also cannot be denied.
But whatever, it's just reality. Let's beat up on a few people on GAF for being the least bit concerned.
Concerned about what? Seriously. It was a cover with ZERO context and some people made up their mind about it. Being concerned with context and facts is one thing, but shaping the truth to what you want and then creating false controversy, like Kotaku, is another.
Don't you remember Kotaku's story about Blood Dragon being homophobic?
Crying wolf, etc.
Does that mean we can't bring it up, though?
We made tons of games about WWII and Germany doesn't raise a fit.
'Whore of the Orient' was the nickname of Shangai during late XIX/early XX. Understandably not an era Chinese people have a lot of affection for.
No, no, no. You people are all wrong.
This guyensured me that the villain is gay and a horrible, demeaning stereotype.
And he's bisexual, so he can tell by appearance alone.
You know what isn't reality? Video games.
Whenever I'm riding around on an elephant shotgunning fools, or flying above an island with a wingsuit, the last thing I tend to think about is the sexual orientation of the bad guy. I separate social issues from video games because I see games as works of pure fantasy; make believe, silly, nonsensical but enjoyable entertainment to be consumed. They are not reflections of the real world, just a heavily distorted parody of it.
Cyberdemon, Blinky The Ghost, Pagan Min. They're all the same to me. Just another clump of pixels I'll turn red or outwit. Nothing more.
Right Ubisoft sure showed us. The only mob mentality I saw was the backlash against the original person. No they aren't sending a message because no one learned anything on both sides. It's either a mistake on Ubisoft's part or contreversy to stir up sales and attention.Or, you know, it could be them trying to show how mob mentality works on the web.
Your posts are golden. I mean that they are seriously well thought out and awesome. I enjoyed reading them.So if a publisher came out with a game where the entire point was to strip, mutilate and murder naked women or racial minorities, you'd be fine with it and wouldn't think it's misogynistic or racist, because it's "just a video game". Also, anyone who had a problem with it and criticized it would be "overreacting" because they don't understand "it's not reality!"
Well I agree it's not reality - but the difference here is that if that stuff happened in real life, you'd go to jail; because it's "fantasy" the game just gets called out and criticized for being horribly offensive.
Sorry, just because it's a video game (or a movie, or a book, or a song) doesn't mean it gets to portray all sorts of negative behaviors and attitudes or employ offensive language and imagery and get away with no criticism.
So if a publisher came out with a game where the entire point was to strip, mutilate and murder naked women or racial minorities, you'd be fine with it and wouldn't think it's misogynistic or racist, because it's "just a video game". Also, anyone who had a problem with it and criticized it would be "overreacting" because they don't understand "it's not reality!"
Well I agree it's not reality - but the difference here is that if that stuff happened in real life, you'd go to jail; because it's "fantasy" the game just gets called out and criticized for being horribly offensive.
Sorry, just because it's a video game (or a movie, or a book, or a film, or a song) doesn't mean it gets to portray all sorts of negative behaviors and attitudes or employ offensive language and imagery and get away with no criticism.
Bring it up if you want, but don't be surprised if you get a strong reaction from Chinese customers.
So you don't find it offensive so it's a-ok? Not sure I get your arguement here.That doesn't seem like fun to me. It seems like its just going for the shock factor and little more. Where is the gameplay in just stripping a woman and mutilating the body? If thats the focus of the game, I'd pass. And not because I find it offensive, but because I play games to have fun.
That doesn't seem like fun to me. It seems like its just going for the shock factor and little more. Where is the gameplay in just stripping a woman and mutilating the body? If thats the focus of the game, I'd pass. And not because I find it offensive, but because I play games to have fun.
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Exactly. In the demo the guy never displayed anything that could interpreted as gay stereotype. And even if he was gay, why not wait until you see the product, maybe it would actually be a good representation. Instead it's an outrage over freaking nothing.Concerned about what? Seriously. It was a cover with ZERO context and some people made up their mind about it. Being concerned with context and facts is one thing, but shaping the truth to what you want and then creating false controversy, like Kotaku, is another.
Don't you remember Kotaku's story about Blood Dragon being homophobic?
Crying wolf, etc.
So if a publisher came out with a game where the entire point was to strip, mutilate and murder naked women or racial minorities, you'd be fine with it and wouldn't think it's misogynistic or racist, because it's "just a video game". Also, anyone who had a problem with it and criticized it would be "overreacting" because they don't understand "it's not reality!"
So you don't find it offensive so it's a-ok? Not sure I get your arguement here.
So you don't find it offensive so it's a-ok? Not sure I get your arguement here.
This whole thing reminds me of Transistor, wherewere gay/bisexual and I thought it did a pretty damn good portrayal of gay people by showing it as essentially as healthy or unhealthy as heterosexuality is.three out of the four villains
I like how this is like the third thread asking if the villain of farcry 4 is offensive or not and we don't even know a thing about the character you actually play as!
So if a publisher came out with a game where the entire point was to strip, mutilate and murder naked women or racial minorities, you'd be fine with it and wouldn't think it's misogynistic or racist, because it's "just a video game".
Is something not allowed to exist if it offends?
I'm not sure if you'd classify him as flamboyant, but Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2 was gay. Or at the very least bisexual.
Where has it been confirmed that Jeffrey Yohalem is writing Far Cry 4? I know he did 3, but I figure he would have been busy writing Child of Light during the production of Far Cry 4 and I can't find his name attached to the project anywhere.Well, there's the fact that the game's written by a gay man which should immediately discredit any sort of homophobia attacks that were made around that pink suit. But whatever, that's just a detail.
I don't know, has anyone called for this game to be banned or pulled off the shelves? People have just raised an issue and hopefully communicated to Ubisoft that they think their particular depiction of a minority character is bordering on stereotype. Lord knows Ubisoft is getting plenty of messages these days about its treatment of female characters.
Is Ubisoft going to cancel or censor games because they don't include women or have unflattering portrayals of minorities? No, but maybe all the PR / marketing noise and feedback they get from their customers will lead their teams to take some time to think about how they treat diversity in future games. And maybe they'll make improvements based on the feedback they receive.
Or, you know, they could tell their critics to screw off, which is their right as a business. But at least they've been made aware of an issue that many people care about personally because it's been brought to their attention, rather than everyone staying silent because "it's just a video game" and "it's not important" - you know, as opposed to all the other critical world-changing things we complain about and demand they fix in future games, like sub-60 fps framerates, slowdowns and screen-tearing.
Where has it been confirmed that Jeffrey Yohalem is writing Far Cry 4? I know he did 3, but I figure he would have been busy writing Child of Light during the production of Far Cry 4 and I can't find his name attached to the project anywhere.
I don't think it has, actually I believe Ubi said it wasn't Yohalem but haven't revealed who the actual writer is. (please correct me if I'm wrong)
WAT? You know this for sure or is this like people saying the Frozen princess was gay?
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I don't get the point against the villain be gay.
It is weird because there is no problem at all.
Even if this game contained a truly morally reprehensible piece of shit guy, who also happened to be gay, why would it matter one jot?
Crime isnt the sole pavane of heterosexual people.
Reminds me of the guy from the movie the professional. I think his name was Leon.