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"Video games need fewer 'sexy' women and more you can actually fancy"
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Finale Fireworker
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That is exactly the place to promote morals!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Not to say that the concept is invalid as a topic, because there's some truth there, but I feel like women's appeal for men in media tends towards the "crush" more often, even in live action media. I so frequently hear of my women friend's "new crush" over this or that fictional male hero in television in film in a way that I usually don't hear from men about women in fictional media. "Matthew McConoughy is my new boyfriend", I hear after my friend watched Interstellar. "Tom Hardy is my new future husband", another says after Fury Road. Do guys talk like that as often?
Sure guys will tell you who they think are "hot" on screen, but "fancying" them? "Crushing" on them? I dunno. It might be biology or it might be society dictating what people verbalize, but I'm just putting it out there that it might not just be an issues with videogames thing.
Point is still valid that women might be more often created to be sexual objects rather than likeable for other reasons.
Sure guys will tell you who they think are "hot" on screen, but "fancying" them? "Crushing" on them? I dunno. It might be biology or it might be society dictating what people verbalize, but I'm just putting it out there that it might not just be an issues with videogames thing.
Point is still valid that women might be more often created to be sexual objects rather than likeable for other reasons.
pitcairn55
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Yeah, that's just what I was thinking. My wife and I talk about people, both real and imaginary, that we fancy all the time.
I like Trip from Enslaved, for the record. And I also quite like the look of Senua from the new Ninja Theory game in development, Hellblade.
RockTurtle
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i like cheesecake and eye-candy.
i also enjoy complex characters.
sometimes i like a cheeseburger instead of filet mignon
i also enjoy complex characters.
sometimes i like a cheeseburger instead of filet mignon
Maybe it's just that women wouldn't want to know what goes on in my head.
Anyone know what the m/f breakdown is in the world of visual porn and the world of literary porn in terms of consumers?
Messofanego
Banned
Kinzie's nerd pandering reminds me of April Ryan from The Longest Journey
Both are cool characters.I'll take a nerd any day
KirbYuuYuu
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Such an age old phenomenon of fancy in
I don't know. I'm not sure who I would hang out with, personally.
and waifu/husbando
I don't know. I'm not sure who I would hang out with, personally.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Ignoring that the vast majority of video game characters are still little more than player avatars or quest or flavor text generators, and making the pretty huge assumption that if any video game character was real they would even give me the time of day?
Honestly, I feel most video game protagonists would be pretty interesting people if real, but then again I'm the sort of person whose life experience informs me that once you get past the exterior and the presentation, the actual number of really boring people is surprisingly small. Either that, or I just find the mundane pretty interesting on some level.
Why go out for a burger when you got steak and potatoes at home
The Lamonster
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Femshep. She's my hero <3
Did the author of this article really write this based on a reply from her boyfriend?
This seems a little ridiculous. There are women with plenty of personality in the Mass Effect games, Dragon-Age games, Resident Evil games, and then she goes onto say that Link is one of her favorites. Link, the silent protagonist from the Zelda games who has no personality whatsoever. She also notes that she likes Leon specifically from RE4 because of his jacket. So not personality...but looks.
Lightning Count
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Xiuying Hong from Shenmue II.
Beautiful, wise, understanding, practical.
Beautiful, wise, understanding, practical.
GravityMan
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Precisely. Her BF handled that question smartly. She read WAY too much into his answer.
Other men (particularly those who are awkward or poor socially with women) could learn a thing or two from him.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that her article isn't "based in reality", especially when there are numerous cases where females can't lead a game since it is deemed that it won't sell as well as the male counterpart, there aren't enough "straight male" choices in a game, or any other thing that has cropped up on either the fringes or mainstream. It's still reality. There are many bland characters both male and female, but the bland female can usually fall back on being the unnecessary eye-candy whereas a male will be forgettable soldier number #2343423423. Neither is right. Plus I wouldn't say that video games aren't a narrative medium as someone said before. Inherently video games are video games because they are interactive, but when the industry itself likes to showcase their "stories" it becomes something up for discussion. There's room for improvement, but my point was that the article would have to address some different points if the discussion would've gone differently than just "can't think of any". There have been a lot of well-written female characters, especially recently that it's just hard to believe that the entire article was written with that as his response.
Messofanego
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30yearsofhurt
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BibiMaghoo
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Or maybe, you know, some people are actually honest with their partners. People responding like yourself very much give the impression of not being.
akidnamededdy
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Or they give the impression that they know better.
Haha yeah okay.
If your girlfriend/wife/etc. asks who you have a crush on, or which of her friends you think is the prettiest, or who you would get with if anything happened to her, 99% of the time your best course of action is to say NOBODY DEAR YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE FOR ME. It's not rocket science.
Dusk Soldier
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Physical Attractiveness - means they are good looking and you like looking at them.
Sexual Attractiveness - means basically that you want to have sex with them.
There's definitely a difference. Although Hollywood would like you to think they mean the same thing.
Lying shouldn't be considered the answer to "knowing better." That sounds like a severe jealousy issue which should be confronted and worked on.
SprachBrooks
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This lol i'll put that shit down after i've 'beaten' the final boss. Most video games are poorly written to the point where I don't care about the characters themselves Dragon Age Inquisition exemplifies this.
The Wraith
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Sheva from Resident Evil 5.
BibiMaghoo
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If your partner asks for an honest opinion on something and you lie because you don't think they will like the answer they asked for, then you are a coward.
Croatoan
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Female video game characters I would want to date if they were real?
Triss Merigold (Wicher 1,2 and 3)
Abigail (Witcher 1)
Shani (Witcher 1)
Maranda Lawson (Mass Effect)
Liara (Mass Effect)
Elana Fisher (Uncharted)
Trip (Enslaved)
Sharon Cassidy (Fallout New Vegas)
Triss Merigold (Wicher 1,2 and 3)
Abigail (Witcher 1)
Shani (Witcher 1)
Maranda Lawson (Mass Effect)
Liara (Mass Effect)
Elana Fisher (Uncharted)
Trip (Enslaved)
Sharon Cassidy (Fallout New Vegas)
SprachBrooks
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Eh some people just have jealousy as their trait; no matter what you say or do they'll be jealous or get angry about it. It's why there's compromise and just not answering certain things; things like do you find her attractive or do you find him attractive are just fucking stupid questions to ask your partner because they're so pointless and achieve nothing.
For me it was yuffie because she had her shorts unbuttoned.
Are you married?
Yep. It might be better not to assume that women are so insecure they don't like to think about their partners finding other women physically attractive.
There seem to be a lot of hang-ups over the author citing Link and Leon as her crushes, despite a lack of personality. This is because there's more to it than that. Although I realise she focusses quite a lot on well written characters, she also mentions the idea that a character can bring something other than obvious sex appeal (ie form fitting outfits, showing a lot of skin, etc.) in their physical design. Something different, atypical, or a certain aura.
Now there are plenty of female characters who fit these criteria - I'm not arguing that. But I daresay there are plenty more male characters who aren't designed with sex appeal in mind. Either way, the physical design is just as important in this argument as personality.
TheJollyCorner
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One of my favorite low-key female characters that I could fancy would be Raine, from Final Fantasy VIII.
No special powers, no world-saving quests, no bullshit.
Managed her own little bar by herself, made a good surrogate mother for a child orphaned by war, and was able to connect with Laguna's goofy ass. She just had her shit together and seemed like a really lovely, pleasant woman.
She didn't have a ton of screen time, but made a massive impact. She managed to change certain characters for the better.
No special powers, no world-saving quests, no bullshit.
Managed her own little bar by herself, made a good surrogate mother for a child orphaned by war, and was able to connect with Laguna's goofy ass. She just had her shit together and seemed like a really lovely, pleasant woman.
She didn't have a ton of screen time, but made a massive impact. She managed to change certain characters for the better.
BibiMaghoo
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No, but I've been in a relationship with the same person for almost a decade. If she asks me for an honest answer, I give her one.
"Do I look nice in this"?
"those shoes don't match, wear these ones, otherwise yes''
Etc. Don't bullshit the person you love.
DannyDanger
Member
This is an imaginary issue
Play more games, you'll come across more personalities
With that being said:
I agreeeeeeeee (with her being my crush)
Play more games, you'll come across more personalities
With that being said:
I agreeeeeeeee (with her being my crush)
Messofanego
Banned
They're fictional, you can't make the comparison with real life people. If your partner legitimately gets angry about you having a crush on a fictional character, then that's not a good sign.
"Which one of my friends do you think is the hottest?"
FriedConsole
Banned
I can't believe we are down to playground "your a chicken". Would you like to question my manhood?
I feel like being honest with my partner tonight that I think her sister is hotter. Don't want to look like a coward to that guy on the Internet. I'll tell you how it goes.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Whatever you say buddy. I don't see why it's such a crazy thought that it might be a bad idea to give your wife a list of other women you are attracted to and why, fictional or otherwise.
Skiptastic
Member
Oh shit, that's a good answer.
Or you're considerate of their feelings and understand that sometimes people ought to be careful what they ask for, lest they get it.
It's different for everyone. If my missus asked which game character I'd most like to slip one, I would answer 'Rachel from Ninja Gaiden' in a heartbeat. If she asked which of her mates I most wanted to hop on, I'd duck that shit like George Bush in a shoe shop.
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