brandonh83
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I didn't mean it like that, read up a bit.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #3) - That's Not How the Force Works
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I didn't mean it like that, read up a bit.
dragonyeuw
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Funny, I found the saber fight underwhelming my first go-around too, enjoyed it much better on the second viewing.
Lifejumper
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I wonder if john williams is still composing.
Was wondering the same. Seems impossible to tell this early on, since scoring takes place so late.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016...viii-script-is-ready-filming-begins-soon.html
Sorry for double but it looks like Anthony Daniels has read the script, Carrie Fisher is in London, and John Boyega is training to resume his role. This is in addition (but previous) to the Rian Johnson tweet. Exciting stuff.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016...rs-episode-viii-going-to-film-in-croatia.html
Also, Ep. 8 could be filming in an old fortress in Dubrovnik (Croatia). Interesting.
Sorry for double but it looks like Anthony Daniels has read the script, Carrie Fisher is in London, and John Boyega is training to resume his role. This is in addition (but previous) to the Rian Johnson tweet. Exciting stuff.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016...rs-episode-viii-going-to-film-in-croatia.html
Also, Ep. 8 could be filming in an old fortress in Dubrovnik (Croatia). Interesting.
WadiumArcadium
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Last I heard he wants to do the whole trilogy. Hopefully he will if he feels able.
It's almost poetic...isn't it?
prag16
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Q
Queen of Hunting
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Loooking back the poster they used looks like rey is fighting rylo in a way
Especially with the gleam like a clash of weapons in middle of saber n her stick.
Especially with the gleam like a clash of weapons in middle of saber n her stick.
Loooking back the poster they used looks like rey is fighting rylo in a way
Especially with the gleam like a clash of weapons in middle of saber n her stick.
Yea. It was a shit bait and switch to be honest. Most everyone assumed Rey would be the Jedi.
BreezyLimbo
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If shes a skywalker then that means shes descendant of the biggest Mary Sue ever, its only natural that Rey is a Mary Sue, Kappa.
DragonSworne
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So I was thinking about Rey on the Starkiller base. I think she would have been able to escape the base without any help. It would have taken a while, but I don't think she needed to be rescued.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Even if she managed to evade all of the guards and make her way aboard a hyperspace capable ship, there's no way in hell she would have been able to escape ground based turrets, countless fighter squadrons, as well as whatever was in orbit to avoid getting blown across the sky.
DragonSworne
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That's why I said it would take time. She couldn't immediately leave obviously since they would suspect her being on the escaping ship. But they can't keep the star killer on complete lockdown. A ship would have to leave and I definitely think she would find her way on one on those ships.
There was definitely a point made when Finn/Han are debating their next move in finding and freeing Rey, and she appears in the background already in the process of escaping herself. But the hangars were locked down and the base on alert. I think she would have had trouble actually getting off the planet without the larger battle and the mess it caused.
LegendofLex
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Sure she would have.
Earlier in the movie, Han already showed her exactly the trick she'd need: jump to lightspeed before exiting the hangar bay.
WadiumArcadium
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My guess is that Kylo is the only force sensitive one. He's the only one with a lightsaber in the Forceback. The others just worship the dark side and like causing chaos.
How did the Falcon evade it all? They've established that you can hyperspace from within a ship and even into a planet--as soon as she finds a ship she can hyperspace to Jakku without leaving the hangar.
QuantumZebra
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either you didn't watch the movie or you don't know what that term means
SolicitorPirate
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That was kinda my fault. I saw Phantom Menace last night for the first time in like a decade and just thought how inane it was to call Rey a Mary Sue when Anakin does equally ridiculous bullshit as a child (not to mention the virgin birth, which I had completely forgotten). I just made a snarky post about that, not realising that someone in the thread still held onto the idea that Rey was a Mary Sue or that it would lead to a debate.
QuantumZebra
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You're totally right, though.
Anakin and Luke both exhibit more "Mary Sue" qualities than Rey does (Luke is much closer to a normal person than Anakin though).
Women are simply viewed in a different light when they have power. Depressing, yet true.
I thought I saw some poster of them with light sabers (at least two of them idk)
Monocle
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Expected, but great news all the same. I was sure she'd be back after I read about how much she pestered her agent to land her a role in Star Wars. You don't cast an actress of her caliber to be a background prop.
I finally saw it, and it was good, but it fell short of expectations. I am going to see it again, without the expectations, because I think there is definitely a good movie there.
After one viewing though, it is clear where Rey comes from. She is Anakin reincarnated. That's why his saber calls out to her. Luke being her Father would be too obvious, but she is too much like them not to have a connection.
After one viewing though, it is clear where Rey comes from. She is Anakin reincarnated. That's why his saber calls out to her. Luke being her Father would be too obvious, but she is too much like them not to have a connection.
dragonyeuw
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The OT was originally about Luke's journey, retconned to ultimately be about Anakin's redemption. The PT was obviously built to revolve around Anakin, so I'm really hoping this new trilogy isn't about Anakin again in some form. Her being Luke's daughter lacks all imagination, but I'd rather that if I had to choose.I suspect the framework of episode VIII is already written, but I wouldn't be surprised if they make some story edits based on fan reaction. I'd love something completely out in left field from all the theories being tossed around.
prag16
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I still don't understand why some people are so adamant that she better not be a Skywalker, as if (no matter how it was handled) that would automatically make her arc worse than if she was just some random.
Nevertheless, there's guaranteed to be SOME kind of connection there. We'll have to wait to find out exactly what. She definitely is NOT just some girl abandoned by random people on a random planet for random reasons who happens to be force sensitive. There's definitely history there with regard to her/Snoke/Kylo/Luke/Han/Leia in some way shape or form. If there's not, nothing we've seen so far makes any sense.
BreezyLimbo
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If she wasn't a skywalker, than that would make her even more of a Mary Sue than not, as some people are worried.
Like...her being a Skywalker explains why she's naturally a good pilot and fast at picking up the Force. If she wasn't, if she was some rando, then she's a Mary Sue.
Edit-And before someone freaks out on me for 'Reys powers needing to be explained', something is going to ostensibly be explained in a future movie whether it's what family she's from or who snoke is or why Rey was left on a planet, THERE WILL BE EXPLANATIONS
dragonyeuw
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I'm not adamant about anything regarding her heritage. I'm only saying that everyone expects her automatically to be Luke's daughter, that I wouldn't mind if they do something completely from out of left field. It's not going to ruin my enjoyment of the next film if they go the route everyone expects. But I do think it shrinks the universe( in the movies to be clear) for everything to revolve around one family.
BreezyLimbo
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whenever I suggest Rey being a mary sue, im being facetious. Just like when I say anakin is the biggest of mary sues, Im being facetious as well, its riffing on the fact that all the skywalkers have shared similar traits on being good pilots and picking up the force relatively quickly. But Im not seriously teting to argue the mary sue aspect, lol
Ganzlinger
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Loooking back the poster they used looks like rey is fighting rylo in a way
Especially with the gleam like a clash of weapons in middle of saber n her stick.
They should have taken Poe's helmet. Dude looks absent in this poster.
Loooking back the poster they used looks like rey is fighting rylo in a way
Especially with the gleam like a clash of weapons in middle of saber n her stick.
It could also look like Han being stabbed by Kylo's saber
WadiumArcadium
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There was some concept art of another holding one but Kylo is the only Knight with a lightsaber in the flashback.
Even if she WEREN'T a Skywalker, that doesn't mean she's not just extremely attuned with the force. The Skywalkers aren't some mythological gods, they're mortal beings, just like anyone else. There were a ton of individuals who were nearly if not as strong as them. Palpatine isn't and look how powerful he was. Or just about anyone in the PT. Yoda's not. Windu is not. No one on the council was (before Anakin was partially admitted). Obi-Wan ultimately defeated Anakin (he beat him in Ep. 3 and sacrificed himself in 4) and he's not.
This argument doesn't hold any water.
I personally believe she IS a Skywalker and that she's Luke's but even if she's not, that doesn't make her any more of a "Mary Sue". That's just a ridiculous argument that wouldn't have been an issue if she weren't a woman, honestly. And I'm not even one to really delve into those types of arguments.
Anyway, like others have said, it's not even worth it and there's a whole thread dedicated to this non-issue.
I really wanna know when they start shooting dammit.
prag16
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Except it kind of does BASED ONLY ON WHAT WE KNOW NOW.
Of course there will be a ton of backstory filled in along the way. IN A VACUUM she's overpowered as of right now. But only because we don't know the backstory. If the backstory is she's Luke's daughter which is a logical conclusion many are coming to, then it all makes much more sense.
It could be something totally different too, and that could work. We just don't have enough information to come up with any really solid evidence based theories. It's why a familial connection (while it could very easily end up being incorrect) is the leading theory right now.
And for rational people, it has absolutely nothing to do with whether she is a male or female. I'm sure the sexism charge with regard to some people involved in those discussions. However most of the time I see it thrown around it looks more like a strawman.
I'm going to go ahead and answer this in the Mary Sue thread so not to detract from discussion here.
Dubbedinenglish
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Can't get the link on my phone but from Boyega's Instagram, he's gotten a lot more buff. Must be doing some serious mopping in ep 8.
That was my thought after my first viewing as well. I think she's had prior training.
I always thought this. It's so much that she's stupid strong and quick at learning. It's that she's done it before.
prag16
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Maybe she's not his daughter (however still a reasonable theory), but I'd be shocked if Luke hasn't seen her before. That staredown at the end looked to be worth 1000 words. We just don't know yet what those 1000 words are.
That's another thing. Even if she's not his daughter necessarily he's still shocked to see her specifically because he obviously knows her. I can't see it any other way.
That's bare minimum.
I'd like that.. but to be honest, I'd also like to see a half crazy Luke who's hallucinating, doing the Don Quixote thing.. maybe the stare is that he can't tell if she's real or if he's imagining things.
Kind of like how Yoda was introduced. The fate of the universe is in the hands of a potential madman. Hammill could pull it off without making it doofy.
That way things can't be solved by simply having Luke fix everything. They need to "fix" Luke first. Maybe he stumbled on some Lovecraftian/Sith thing that messed with him.
The idea being that Luke went to find this stuff, placing Rey in temporary care of someone (let's say Von Sidow's character) and when Luke didn't come back (because he went nuts) and Von Sidow was threatened, he tried to hide her.
This is why no one came back for her and let's Luke be her father, without being a dead beat, etc.
Kind of like how Yoda was introduced. The fate of the universe is in the hands of a potential madman. Hammill could pull it off without making it doofy.
That way things can't be solved by simply having Luke fix everything. They need to "fix" Luke first. Maybe he stumbled on some Lovecraftian/Sith thing that messed with him.
The idea being that Luke went to find this stuff, placing Rey in temporary care of someone (let's say Von Sidow's character) and when Luke didn't come back (because he went nuts) and Von Sidow was threatened, he tried to hide her.
This is why no one came back for her and let's Luke be her father, without being a dead beat, etc.
It could be that. Or it could be that he's shocked to see his father's lightsaber that's been missing for 30+ years.
Blue Ninja
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Luke was just horrified because he thought one of the rocks had come to life.
Anyone think that Episode 8 will continue directly on from TFA or be set a few weeks/months/years after like how the previous trilogies were? It just seems so ripe for a direct continuation on. I don't see how we can NOT see exactly what Rey and Luke say and do at that moment but just have it hinted at. Feels like we need to see that moment.
Rian Johnson has apparently said he will be doing something we've not seen in Star Wars before. Does that mean continue directly on from TFA... maybe feature an extensive flash back then flash forward back to the "present" to cover all of this stuff..? I'm very curious. CANNOT BLOODY WAIT. Best SW film incoming? And yeah I truly love TFA, it gets me every time (4 now), it has a ton of great moments and I actually love the new cast of characters in a way I thought was impossible. The casting and characterisation of them all was exemplary. Really invested in their arcs now, all equally.
Rian Johnson has apparently said he will be doing something we've not seen in Star Wars before. Does that mean continue directly on from TFA... maybe feature an extensive flash back then flash forward back to the "present" to cover all of this stuff..? I'm very curious. CANNOT BLOODY WAIT. Best SW film incoming? And yeah I truly love TFA, it gets me every time (4 now), it has a ton of great moments and I actually love the new cast of characters in a way I thought was impossible. The casting and characterisation of them all was exemplary. Really invested in their arcs now, all equally.
Man, that Mary Sue thread.. Noped right the fuck out of there. Unsubscribed.
That's how I took it too. Like he wouldn't be able to sense her presence.. His look was more of holy shit I can't control my emotion because of what's happening and what the future holds.