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[Zubz]

The only issue I can see here is that mixing MCU Spider-Man/Daredevil may not go over so well between this universe's Spider-Man being lighthearted & its Daredevil being violent. Still, D'Onofrio killed it in the role, and I could see his awkward proto-Kingpin working well with antagonizing "Sorry, it's my first day" Spidey.

Plus, any excuse to see a big-screen Spidey/DD team-up is fine by me!

 

[SillyEskimo]

Masked movie heroes should be popping in on the TV shows. Spiderman is a perfect example. Keep him in costume, use a stunt double, have a voice over.

The character more important than the actor for a quick cameo.

 

[SamuelSupreme]

Yes. Honestly I just want Disney to say fuck it and force their divisions to work together. There is no reason for such a huge divide between the divisions when they all want to strengthen the MCU brand.

 

[gutter_trash]

that would be cool but I also would like to see classic costumed villains as hired goons

 

[Cuburt]

SHH: Does Sony have the rights to Kingpin? That was a great Spider-Man villain until Frank Miller took him for his run on Daredevil and he became known more as a Daredevil villain, appearing in that movie.
Arad: Believe it or not, Kingpin was on loan to Daredevil, so again, anything that is part of the Spider-Man Universe or introduced in the Spider-Man Universe–without getting too legal beagle here–is an opportunity, and if we have a story that Kingpin is important, I’m sure we can handle that.

http://www.superherohype.com/featur...-with-the-producers-of-the-amazing-spider-man

Interesting note, Sony has the rights to Kingpin and only loaned the character to Fox.

That means they are already sharing him with Marvel so sharing the character is more a matter of working things out with the actor than Marvel and Sony having to work out which characters Sony is allowed to use that Marvel owns and vice versa.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Masked movie heroes should be popping in on the TV shows. Spiderman is a perfect example. Keep him in costume, use a stunt double, have a voice over.

The character more important than the actor for a quick cameo.

The large issue has to be contracts and commitments and of course MONEY

I think Downey being in Homecoming is already a huge get and it helps that Downey seems to WANT to be a part of it creatively

Thats the thing.. The actors have to WANT to do it and it has to somehow be worked out on the business side of things

I get that. Hell I was amazed that SAM J even showed up in Shield.(pretty sure he wanted too being an enthusiast and all)

HOWEVER I dont see any reason why any TV actor would turn down a chance to show up in the movies

In theory the entire Netflix crew should have a place in Spideys life based on source material alone but you dont want to get TOO crazy.... even though I want them to go full crazy

 

[Moff]

I would watch this just for D'Onofrio, he was great in Daredevil

 

[Shaanyboi]

http://www.superherohype.com/featur...-with-the-producers-of-the-amazing-spider-man

Interesting note, Sony has the rights to Kingpin and only loaned the character to Fox.

That means they are already sharing him with Marvel so sharing the character is more a matter of working things out with the actor than Marvel and Sony having to work out which characters Sony is allowed to use that Marvel owns and vice versa.

But then what's the reasoning for Spectacular Spider-Man having to use Tombstone in the "crime boss Big Man" role? I always thought that was due to the Daredevil rights?

 

[The Real Napsta]

I'd recast the role for the film.

Terrible idea.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

But then what's the reasoning for Spectacular Spider-Man having to use Tombstone in the "crime boss Big Man" role? I always thought that was due to the Daredevil rights?

Pretty sure animation rights have little to do with film rights

Was using Tombstone in that show a rights issue? Just thought it was a creative decision

 

[diaspora]

Cinematic Spider-Man is in a movie

Spoiler

where innocent people are blown up by a suicide bomb, another terrorist attack brutally kills a bunch of innocent UN members, brainwashed supersoldiers are shot in the head while they sleep, and Howard Stark is brutally punched in the head repeatedly by a bionic arm until he dies.

It's a kids movie really

All of which he was uninvolved with our not present for. Yeah, this is babby spider-man.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

All of which he was uninvolved with our not present for. Yeah, this is babby spider-man.

Kingpin is not going to break Spidey's skull open with a car door. I don't understand this argument. If kingpin shows up in Homecoming they simply don't have him do brutal shit he does in Daredevil. It changes little about the character. He should be more restrained at this point anyways and his role in the film should be less physical and more behind the scenes criminal manipulation. He doesn't need to fight Spidey one on one, he'd lose immediately.

This rumour is BS but if Kingpin were to appear in the movies, he simply has Smythe's Spider slayers to fight for him.

 

[The Artisan]

 

[diaspora]

Kingpin is not going to break Spidey's skull open with a car door. I don't understand this argument. If kingpin shows up in Homecoming they simply don't have him do brutal shit he does in Daredevil. It changes little about the character. He should be more restrained at this point anyways.

So he's not going to be as good or as interesting. Unsurprising, though i don't really have any expectations for young spider-man in the first plac since it's one of the worst versions of the character.

 

[JTripper]

Been thinking that this would be a great idea since Homecoming was announced.

Do it Marvel. It would be so fucking cool to merge your best character with your best MCU villain and Netflix property.

It should be part 1 of a Kingpin story that would bleed into the rest of the Netflix MCU and then be continued in a future season of Daredevil once Spidey does his part. We're gonna need Spidey and DD to interact on-screen at some point. They're one of my favorite Marvel team-up bros.

 

[Hot Coldman]

OK, if we can't get Kingpin can I at least get Black Cat

 

[Slayven]

So he's not going to be as good or as interesting. Unsurprising, though i don't really have any expectations for young spider-man in the first plac since it's one of the worst versions of the character.

That is what I been saying.

 

[NightOnyx]

I would love this. He's great in Daredevil and it would be nice to finally connect the shows with the movies more than just casual mentions and Easter eggs. Of course doing this will only make me want Daredevil in the infinity war movies even more.

 

[The Artisan]

Fucking do it already Marvel!!

Watch it being a different Kingpin.

why would you think that? the OP says Disney is considering adding Vincent D'Onofrio to homecoming

 

[mrmickfran]

Have him

Spoiler

slam someone's head off with a car door

for some nice mood whiplash.

 

[Famassu]

To steal Nonny Roberts term "Nerd OCD" is funny, the shows and movies are setup just like comics. In the comics they don't refer to each other every other sentience

The references to Alhpa Primitives, Betsy the vampire cow,Fucking Nuke, and the Fucking Hologram shield are much better than the characters sitting around going "Remember when Cap did that thing"

They don't need to have Captain America in Agents of Shield or mention Iron Man in every other sentence, but Civil War would have been a perfect movie to name-drop Inhumans in as another reason why the whole deal with registering powered people is important, considering Inhumans have already caused some harm in the world. It's not so much about such mention validating AoS as a series or being some super huge deal, but it would just help with making the different parts of the MCU feel a bit more coherent.

And it will be weird if Spider-Man has no mention of all the other vigilantes in the city.

 

[J_Viper]

Kingpin is way to brutal a character to fit into the MCU films. I just don't see it.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

why would you think that? the OP says Disney is considering adding Vincent D'Onofrio to homecoming

The Op is also not based on any credible source whatsoever

 

[The Artisan]

he's probably not going to be the main villain, but...

Spoiler

maybe they're setting him up as the main villain of the second movie, and potentially if they base the third movie on sins of the father from the animated series, then he'll be the ring leader of the sinister 6

and the third movie in the trilogy can just be sinister 6!

 

[Mushroomer25]

He might work better as an ominous puppeteer, with another villain under his watch. Let Kingpin be the Thanos of MCU NYC, present and threatening but not always in the fray.

This would also let them bridge tones - Daredevil is a relatively brutal show, maybe not perfectly appropriate for the Spiderman audience.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

He was great, add him to everything.

 

[SillyEskimo]

The large issue has to be contracts and commitments and of course MONEY

The whole point of my post is that you can avoid all that with a masked hero. RDJ does not need to be booked in order to have a CGI Iron Man fly by in the distance. Tom Holland does not need to be present to have Spiderman swing by and do some flips.

 

[The Artisan]

The Op is also not based on any credible source whatsoever

come on man...

 

[Blade30]

The only issue I can see here is that mixing MCU Spider-Man/Daredevil may not go over so well between this universe's Spider-Man being lighthearted & its Daredevil being violent. Still, D'Onofrio killed it in the role, and I could see his awkward proto-Kingpin working well with antagonizing "Sorry, it's my first day" Spidey.

Plus, any excuse to see a big-screen Spidey/DD team-up is fine by me!

After seeing Winter Soldier and Civil War, I don't see this being a big issue. Both Cap 2 and 3 are tonally different then avengers 1-2 and Iron Man 3 or rather all mcu movies. They already started changing/mixing the tone.

 

[Slayven]

They don't need to have Captain America in Agents of Shield or mention Iron Man in every other sentence, but Civil War would have been a perfect movie to name-drop Inhumans in as another reason why the whole deal with registering powered people is important, considering Inhumans have already caused some harm in the world. It's not so much about such mention validating AoS as a series or being some super huge deal, but it would just help with making the different parts of the MCU feel a bit more coherent.

And it will be weird if Spider-Man has no mention of all the other vigilantes in the city.

Did you forget the scene where Vision said "Enhanced individuals and incidents involving them have grown sharply yada yada".

 

[DrROBschiz]

They don't need to have Captain America in Agents of Shield or mention Iron Man in every other sentence, but Civil War would have been a perfect movie to name-drop Inhumans in as another reason why the whole deal with registering powered people is important, considering Inhumans have already caused some harm in the world. It's not so much about such mention validating AoS as a series or being some super huge deal, but it would just help with making the different parts of the MCU feel a bit more coherent.

And it will be weird if Spider-Man has no mention of all the other vigilantes in the city.

Exactly

People like to hate on the idea of MCU and call it a poison to creative process. And it totally can be. It IS a slippery slope but THATS the challenge. To pull of something big and connected and make it work!

To be clever and smart with who and what you chose to crossover. Its never been done at this scale before and clearly its faltering here and there

The business end is very tricky and despite the massive money flow they are still just a little gunshy to commit 100% to the promise of MCU

Maybe they should have never went into Network TV at and stuck with Premium TV deals

 

[firehawk12]

After seeing Winter Soldier and Civil War, I don't see this being a big issue. Both Cap 2 and 3 are tonally different then avengers 1-2 and Iron Man 3 or rather all mcu movies.

I don't think anyone got their head smashed in during a Captain America film.

 

[diaspora]

Best case scenario is that he shows up on the news.

 

[Dirtyshubb]

They don't need to have Captain America in Agents of Shield or mention Iron Man in every other sentence, but Civil War would have been a perfect movie to name-drop Inhumans in as another reason why the whole deal with registering powered people is important, considering Inhumans have already caused some harm in the world. It's not so much about such mention validating AoS as a series or being some super huge deal, but it would just help with making the different parts of the MCU feel a bit more coherent.

And it will be weird if Spider-Man has no mention of all the other vigilantes in the city.

Yeah as much as i liked Civil War it was a pretty big omission that the Inhumans werent mentioned. I mean every day people are aware that there are 'aliens with powers' around us and there is a general sense of fear yet no mention at all from the film? Bullshit.

I know the issues about potentially confusing people who havent seen the shows but we already have people who have seen the films and are still missing information and getting confused so is it really so much to ask for some throwaway lines acknowledging the tv side of things?

 

[thecouncil]

So he's not going to be as good or as interesting. Unsurprising, though i don't really have any expectations for young spider-man in the first plac since it's one of the worst versions of the character.

The good / interesting thing about Kingpin is that he crushed someone's head with a car door once?

Best case scenario is that he shows up on the news.

In name only, on the CNN-like scroll at the bottom of the news on a TV in the background.

 

[The Artisan]

The only issue I can see here is that mixing MCU Spider-Man/Daredevil may not go over so well between this universe's Spider-Man being lighthearted & its Daredevil being violent. Still, D'Onofrio killed it in the role, and I could see his awkward proto-Kingpin working well with antagonizing "Sorry, it's my first day" Spidey.

Plus, any excuse to see a big-screen Spidey/DD team-up is fine by me!

Tone needs to be adaptable throughout the different IPs within the MCU since they're all within the same reality. Kingpin is his own character whether he shows up in Daredevil or not.

 

[Slayven]

Best case scenario is that he shows up on the news.

I am picturing him on the front page of the Daily Bungle in a scene where Aunt May tells Peter to clean his room.

 

[firehawk12]

Yeah as much as i liked Civil War it was a pretty big omission that the Inhumans werent mentioned. I mean every day people are aware that there are 'aliens with powers' around us and there is a general sense of fear yet no mention at all from the film? Bullshit.

I know the issues about potentially confusing people who havent seen the shows but we already have people who have seen the films and are still missing information and getting confused so is it really so much to ask for some throwaway lines acknowledging the tv side of things?

The flipside is that it's pretty stupid that SHIELD isn't investigating a super powered woman in NYC who is being chased by a guy with mind control powers.

The whole MCU and the business surrounding it is a complete mess.

 

[Famassu]

Kingpin is way to brutal a character to fit into the MCU films. I just don't see it.

The same MCU films where Fury gets shot several times through the chest, Winter Soldier (Civil War spoilers)

Spoiler

is shown brutally beating Tony Stark's father to death

and where Coulson gets skewered?

 

[DrROBschiz]

Yeah as much as i liked Civil War it was a pretty big omission that the Inhumans werent mentioned. I mean every day people are aware that there are 'aliens with powers' around us and there is a general sense of fear yet no mention at all from the film? Bullshit.

I know the issues about potentially confusing people who havent seen the shows but we already have people who have seen the films and are still missing information and getting confused so is it really so much to ask for some throwaway lines acknowledging the tv side of things?

There was an offhand mention

People with powers popping up exponentially. It was mentioned by both Ross and the Vision

So its an overarching narrative

 

[Slayven]

The flipside is that it's pretty stupid that SHIELD isn't investigating a super powered woman in NYC who is being chased by a guy with mind control powers.

The whole MCU and the business surrounding it is a complete mess.

It's really not

There was an offhand mention

People with powers popping up exponentially. It was mentioned by both Ross and the Vision

So its an overarching narrative

yeah Civil War then turns real personal, real quick

 

[diaspora]

The good / interesting thing about Kingpin is that he crushed someone's head with a car door once?

The good/interesting is how he ranges from a deranged calm to viscerally violent. Weakening that contrast weakens the character.

 

[Sanjuro]

Terrible idea.

Bucky should have used a car door on him.

 

[Maximo]

The same MCU films where Fury gets shot several times through the chest, Winter Soldier (Civil War spoilers)

Spoiler

is shown brutally beating Tony Stark's father to death

and where Coulson gets skewered?

Yeah still too brutal none of that compares to the stuff in Daredevil especially Season 2.

 

[trikster40]

Even if they do, they'll have to assume you've not watched the TV show anyway.

The majority of people who go to see spiderman won't have watched the TV show (the same reason that most of the tv shows don't get referenced at all).

The best way to get people to watch the shows is to reference them in the movies. The viewer feels like they're missing out and start tuning in.

The show references the movies, which assumes you've seen them as well. SHIELD referenced the movies the week after they premier, so the logic doesn't hold up.

The truth is, it IS a one-way street so far between movies and TV. Marvel needs to make it a true MCU and start including these shows into the universe. Would a shout out to Daredevil/Jessica Jones/Daisy have hurt when Tony was looking for more manpower in Civil War?

 

[Dirtyshubb]

The flipside is that it's pretty stupid that SHIELD isn't investigating a super powered woman in NYC who is being chased by a guy with mind control powers.

The whole MCU and the business surrounding it is a complete mess.

While i can see your point i do feel that Jessica Jones was handled low key enough that it could fly under SHIELDS radar. I mean the way Purple man was handled showed that the people he controlled tended to brush it off afterwards because of either fear or disbelief.

There was an offhand mention

People with powers popping up exponentially. It was mentioned by both Ross and the Vision

So its an overarching narrative

Yeah i suppose it could have been brought under that umbrella but its clear the wording was used so that even if it is including the SHIELD stuff viewers would still just think they are referring to the Avengers and their respective villains.

The best way to get people to watch the shows is to reference them in the movies. The viewer feels like they're missing out and start tuning in.

The show references the movies, which assumes you've seen them as well. SHIELD referenced the movies the week after they premier, so the logic doesn't hold up.

The truth is, it IS a one-way street so far between movies and TV. Marvel needs to make it a true MCU and start including these shows into the universe. Would a shout out to Daredevil/Jessica Jones/Daisy have hurt when Tony was looking for more manpower in Civil War?

Great point, instead of just saying 'i know a guy' they could have had the person Tony was talking to bring up some clips of powered people and it be Daisy, JJ etc. and then have Tony say 'i know someone more suited' or something along those lines. Still keeps the suspense for the Peter scene but at least acknowledges the TV side.

 

[brawly]

Would have preferred this

but oh well, better than nothing if true.

 

[JTripper]

I feel like the "tone" stuff really isn't as big a problem as people are assuming it might be. It's not like DD related stuff in a MCU movie won't feel like DD anymore because we don't hear necks snap or blood everywhere. Hell, some of the punches thrown in Civil War were pretty damn brutal. Marvel could pull it off if they wanted to, I have little doubt.

 

[Blade30]

I don't think anyone got their head smashed in during a Captain America film.

You can make it off screen. Just because the netflix shows show you violent/sex stuff, doesn't mean you can't imply it in the movies, that there are some things going on. The only difference is that you don't see it but rather know it's happening. Anyway with Infinity War, the MCU is bound to change one way or the other.

 

[firehawk12]

While i can see your point i do feel that Jessica Jones was handled low key enough that it could fly under SHIELDS radar. I mean the way Purple man was handled showed that the people he controlled tended to brush it off afterwards because of either fear or disbelief.

The way it ends though, basically a large group of people - including an entire police precinct - come under the influence of the Purple Man and remember that they were forced to act against their will. Given how much they were chasing down Inhumans during the early parts of this season of Shield, it's just strange that no one bothered to show up to check him out.

I guess it's doubly weird because Jones was also "out" as Jewel, so at some point she was some kind of superhero that was recognizable enough that someone would blame her for what happened in Avengers 1.

You can make it off screen. Just because the netflix shows show you violent/sex stuff, doesn't mean you can't imply it in the movies, that there are some things going on. The only difference is that you don't see it but rather know it's happening.

The movies are just completely tonally different from the Netflix shows though. You'd have to turn Kingpin into a goofball in order to fit him into the movie universe.