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The Black Culture Thread |OT14| Ruthless: The So Well Spoken Story

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Johndoey said:
Would it make more sense? Each separate development has it's own challenges and needs, consider marketing, fan massaging etc. I don't think this is a legitimate issue. The vast majority of people who buy games never finish them regardless of size, I don't think retention would be impacted significantly. Besides large open world games are selling right now best to get in on that market, marketing can trot out pretty stats about the digital square mileage, and number of lines recorded so on and so forth.
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I would question this. It's not like we would ever be given a straight answer, but I'd be willing to bet that more people would retain interest and play more of the content if it wasn't pushing the boundaries of being the most bloated game in recent history.
This is relevant, because we are talking about new dlc for a game that is already extremely long in the tooth without it. Consider that for every person that didn't finish the game are now not very likely to purchase this dlc, or even play it if they already have a season pass (level capped) if they didn't finish the main game.
There is value in hitting the refresh button on content, even if it's just in the portions and presentation. For every one person that finds this drawn out approach delightful, there are a lot more that will walk away remembering these products as being overly cumbersome and irritating. Even those that profess to absolutely love this game in its current form would be hard pressed to say that they could fit it all in easily, and it was delicious to the last drop.
My working theory is that it became "their thing" to retain the title of having the biggest and most vast in the wake of other open world game stretching the field with better overall gameplay, pacing and mechanics. The draw backs are that they haven't eased up on needing to be that and it's become their defining attribute more so than the quality of the content itself. Could end up being a bit of a problem when they finally get around to doing something new again.

Just a few thoughts.
 
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lightskintwin said:
Where you're from - Born in San Francisco, lived in Germany, and Delaware before settling down in Stone Mountain, Georgia when I was in 4th grade. Consider myself from Atlanta.
Where you live - I live in Lawrenceville, GA
What is your age? - Just turned 40. Yeah I'm old, but it's a good thing Black don't Crack.
Your cultural heritage, lineage and genealogy - I'm Black American, with lineage that includes some White American (more than likely massa's handiwork) and Native American on my Father's side, and my Mother is half Black American and Japanese. However my immediate family all look the same.
Do you know your roots - I watched Roots if that's any help. They did my nigga Kinta Kunte wrong. Oh and I look forward to the upcoming adaptation. Seriously tho, my father grew from out of the Black power movement in the 70's, so I was raised in a very pro black household especially at a time when the art also reflected it.
Favorite musical genre - Contemporary R&B/Hip Hop
Your profession/major/career interest - Sr. Technical Recruiter/Mass Communications/desire to create an all black role playing videogame through a black american lens.
Your religious affiliation - Atheist with reverence to the historical and cultural significance of The Black Church within America. I love gospel music.
Hobbies - Video games, women, sports, music, books, battle rap, talking shit
KFC, Popeye's, Churches, or Bojangles? - It's chicken. I'm genetically predisposed to liking all of it, although I don't think I've ever had Bojangles.
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Welcome.
 
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Mrs. Manky

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Welcome back, ishibear!

lightskintwin said:
The "you speak so articulate" was on point and probably went over a lot of white people's heads. I don't know how many white people in corporate America have said that to me.
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Yeah. I don't know which part felt more real: The "articulate" line, the "only rabbits get to call each other cute", or when Nick touched Bellweather's wool/hair.

And welcome, lightskintwin.
 
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Johndoey

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It's always difficult to tell with these things. I understand the argument for multiple smaller products released on a stable time-frame, but alternatively pooling resources and focusing on a single project can be extremely valuable. Neither approach is without fault. All I can go by is that CD is very pleased with the sales and critical response of Witcher 3 and it's first dlc, focusing on it as a product is probably in their best interest currently.

The turn around on producing dlc for an established game is far faster than setting up for producing a new title and you have a more guaranteed audience. My issues is it's an argument partially based upon retention and the only solid-ish (non conjecture) retention data I have access to is trophy and achievement data, which is of course questionable at best.

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I don't know how to feel about Bond, mostly because I can't muster up any interest either way.
 
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D i Z

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Johndoey said:
It's always difficult to tell with these things. I understand the argument for multiple smaller products released on a stable time-frame, but alternatively pooling resources and focusing on a single project can be extremely valuable. Neither approach is without fault. All I can go by is that CD is very pleased with the sales and critical response of Witcher 3 and it's first dlc, focusing on it as a product is probably in their best interest currently.

The turn around on producing dlc for an established game is far faster than setting up for producing a new title and you have a more guaranteed audience. My issues is it's an argument partially based upon retention and the only solid-ish (non conjecture) retention data I have access to is trophy and achievement data, which is of course questionable at best.
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This is probably all that's really important, all things considered. I'll be waiting like everyone else to see how Cyber punk shapes up. There most likely will be enough time between now and then for people to come to terms with and really digest what they got, and what they expect going forward. We're not at the point yet where (I feel at least) people are ready to examine the pro's and con's of this generations open world innovations and tweaks (or lack thereof) and where to go from here.
The Witcher 3 is probably the only pure open world game besides GTAV that didn't manage to shoot itself in the foot and let the game shine.
 
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they can make their statements, but will they be appreciated is the question I have.

A female bond, a waste of time but that's my opinion. A female double O agent who gets as much screen time and swagger as Bond? Call me up and count me in.

A black Bond? why? because its just a detail but it means a lot more in a world where those 'minor details' mean everything.

You make Bond a woman, you change him utterly. Its just interesting to see people latch on so well to this idea, though I have doubts about its 'momentum'. But white woman Bond is more acceptable than a black male Bond? Color me shocked.
 
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Johndoey

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All I really have in my head concerning Bond is "stone killer that pushes up on people they want to fuck" so if they hit that high standard i'm cool with whoever. Bond is such a non character you can do whatever with whoever.
 
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Slayven

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The one where he went to japan was crazy racist too. When he first gets there he looks at the girl like "why isn't my dick wet?".
 
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lightskintwin

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As it relates to casting a black person as Bond; what's interesting is one of America's greatest playwright, August Wilson, who happens to be black, was against this type of color blind casting at least in the theatre but I'm certain he'd feel the same way about it in film. As he put it, "colorblind" casting--a term often used to describe using minority actors in roles originally written for whites--"an aberrant idea that has never had any validity other than as a tool of the Cultural Imperialists who view American culture, rooted in the icons of European culture, as beyond reproach in its perfection.

"To cast us in the role of mimics is to deny us our own competence . . . colorblind casting is the same idea of assimilation that black Americans have been rejecting for the past 380 years. For the record, we reject it again."

"by making money available to theaters willing to support colorblind casting, the financiers and governors have signaled not only their unwillingness to support black theater but their willingness to fund dangerous and divisive assaults against it."

It's a very interesting perspective and one I acknowledge does have it's valid points while also acknowledging without colorblind casting the majority of minority actors wouldn't have a sustainable career in America or Europe.
 
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MikeBreezy92 said:
Just watch The Spy who Loved Me, Goldeneye, Goldfinger, Casino Royale, and Skyfall and you'll be good.
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Oh yeah, Skyfall was super great, especially when Bond let a victimized woman get killed without batting an eye and made a quip about it just to show how tough and badass he is. /s

I like the helicopter scene in the last act, though. Looks like Bond as directed by Hideo Kojima. It had a good score, too, but that's about it.
 
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Johndoey

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I finally watched that Star Trek 2009 movie, and man that was a bad. The villain is uninteresting, Kirk is just frustrating throughout the entire movie, how he becomes Captain is especially bad.

Spock is this interesting figure that gets pushed aside for this dick-head that has no concept of how lucky he's been. Into Darkness is a way better film in virtually every respect and I don't even like that movie terribly much

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Bond is a legacy character, and besides that race and gender in this day and age are largely irrelevant for the type of character Bond is supposed to be. No real history for the most part, no political opinions to speak of, unwavering determination, willingness and ability to infiltrate and exterminate etc. Bond is as neutral as a character can get.

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Craig was a good Bond all things considered.

Casino's ending was about him detaching himself emotionally, Skyfall continued that thread, Spectre ended it poorly. Bond is not supposed to be a good man, or depending on what view you subscribe to not even particularly heroic.

Quantum was a waste. But Spectre made me angry, even if Craig didn't like the role he did an admirable job and deserved a better send off, and did Waltz his best but even with his considerable talent it wasn't enough to salvage that mess.
 
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Secret Fawful said:
Oh yeah, Skyfall was super great, especially when Bond let a victimized woman get killed without batting an eye and made a quip about it just to show how tough and badass he is. /s

I like the helicopter scene in the last act, though. Looks like Bond as directed by Hideo Kojima. It had a good score, too, but that's about it.
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I mean, in Goldfinger
he rapes a lesbian woman.
-_- Bond has been a piece of shit for a long time.
 
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Slayven

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Johndoey said:
I finally watched that Star Trek 2009 movie, and man that was a bad. The villain is uninteresting, Kirk is just frustrating throughout the entire movie, how he becomes Captain is especially bad.

Spock is this interesting figure that gets pushed aside for this dick-head that has no concept of how lucky he's been. Into Darkness is a way better film in virtually every respect and I don't even like that movie terribly much

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Bond is a legacy character, and besides that race and gender in this day and age are largely irrelevant for the type of character Bond is supposed to be. No real history for the most part, no political opinions to speak of, unwavering determination, willingness and ability to infiltrate and exterminate etc. Bond is as neutral as a character can get.
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The enterprise interiors looked too clean and sterile, lens flare didn't help
 
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Secret Fawful said:
You're absolutely right, and you know what movie changed all that? Casino Royale. All that character development out the fucking window in Skyfall.
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I dunno, he's still a pretty shitty person in Casino Royale. He does seduce that woman for information and leave her to get murdered after all.

EDIT: I'd argue that that more than anything is inherent to his character. Bond is a piece of shit, it's just that he's aimed at people who are supposed to be worse.
 
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I like this thread better when its 2-3 pages a day of easy to follow conversation rather than like 8+ pages of hard to follow nonsense.

A hearty welcome back to ishibear though!

bobbychalkers said:
I've been shonen manga free for 3 years now, life is much more simpler now.

I aint gonna front, I contemplated picking Bleach back up recently.
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Eh there's some good shonen manga out there, I wouldn't write it all off

Slayven said:
So Ichigo's final form
is every species you seen in bleach, he is all of that at once. Soul Reapers, Soul Cutter, Quincies, Fullbring, Hollows, Vizards, and Arrancar. He is all that

Like you didn't see that coming
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Bleach should be written off though. Shit is the most predictable trash on the market right now.

Htown said:
this is about the Sanders/Trump debate thread, right?

I checked out after the first page of that. People are fucking delusional at this point.
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I think I saw someone try to argue with a straight face that the mere act of having a lot of money was inherently evil. I've seen some wild shit but I wasn't prepared for that.
 
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Order

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Slayven said:
So Ichigo's final form
is every species you seen in bleach, he is all of that at once. Soul Reapers, Soul Cutter, Quincies, Fullbring, Hollows, Vizards, and Arrancar. He is all that

Like you didn't see that coming
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Hahahahaha that's like if Naruto
could use all the Tailed Beasts!

Wait...oh...nvm...
 
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Secret Fawful

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TheBlackMarvel said:
I dunno, he's still a pretty shitty person in Casino Royale. He does seduce that woman for information and leave her to get murdered after all.
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Yes, he's still a heartless asshole killer, but the movie has actual character development for Bond where he tries to move beyond that life and be an actual human being. I'm probably forgetting something, but I feel like it's the only Bond movie that does something like that and tries to humanize him. By the end of Royale, he's a killer again, but he's out to get revenge for Vesper. Instead of continuing to humanize and attempt to redeem him, the sequels put him back where he was at the beginning of Royale, because James Bond being more than a cold inhuman killer would be a crime. /s

Like, you'd think Vesper would have taught him to treat women like human beings and changed his modus operandi, but nope.
 
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Secret Fawful said:
Oh yeah, Skyfall was super great, especially when Bond let a victimized woman get killed without batting an eye and made a quip about it just to show how tough and badass he is. /s

I like the helicopter scene in the last act, though. Looks like Bond as directed by Hideo Kojima. It had a good score, too, but that's about it.
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i thought he would hit the glass and prove he was a better shot. gonna guess Bond thought the same thing, though that doesn't explain Bond's comment after.
 
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