Well it is basically a whole new console that just happens to have complete previous-gen BC this go around.
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Well it is basically a whole new console that just happens to have complete previous-gen BC this go around.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Power advantage and, if true, upgradeable.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
New generation consoles usually get games that can't be played on the previous console though.
Herp Derpington
Member
Come on, I hope I'm not the only one to get this reference. Well done.
RedRedSuit
Member
It's an attempt to revive a quite flagging sales performance. It's timed almost like a next-gen console. And its alleged power jump is far more significant.
Pro is Sony stating the course -- the course which has been working. It's okay even if its insignificant sales-wise. Not much is risked.
Scorpio is an attempt to reverse course. It's risky.
And I thought Scorpio was getting games just for that platform?
edit: Derp, they were just talking VR games.
RedRedSuit
Member
To be fair it's not as relatively powerful as next-gen consoles tend to be.
I don't disagree really, but it's not all the way there.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
VR maybe that's it. They've specifically stated they won't leave XB1 owners behind.
It's the exact same type of device as a ps4 pro except with beefier hardware unless you believe MS and Spencer to be lying.
The Artisan
Member
scorpio is supposed to be the next xbox?
gaffers have been going back and forth about this sentiment
SneakersSO
Member
Yeah, unlikely. On MS having any real sort of plan in stopping what Sony is about do next year. In fact, i've been thinking over the lineup both 1st parties are gonna be presenting in the next few years, and I didn't realize things were looking so thin for MS. They're going to need to sign some deals with independent studios, or signing 3rd party exclusives, cause this waterfall affect Sony has is really going to be hard to stop.
Heck, just in terms of 3rd party deals for next holiday season, Sony has Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, RDR 2, & CoD all locked up. I've said it somewhere else; these last few years Sony & MS have basically exchanged the heavy marketing focus for the fall->holiday season with one another. MS was dominant in 2014, Sony dominant in 2015, MS dominant this year. Next year it looks like things are swinging back in Sony's favor.
However, looking at the potential software roadmap, 2018 might be the first year where Sony may actually challenge the holiday season with 1st part offerings of their own (I am currently estimating both GoW & Death Stranding launch in Q4 2018). Thats going to be an interesting battle because 2018 is when Halo 6 will most likely be released, and it'll be the next time when the fall->holiday marketing pendulum is meant to swing back in MS' favor
It's not, it's a "high end" xb1
I don't think I agree with that. What is actually risky about an optional box that plays the same games? You know, like a Pro?
It'd be risky if it was a new generation box that wasn't tied to the Xbox One platform but it's not.
So really, I don't see where the "risk" is. If it doesn't sell well, then it's business as usual for Microsoft, just like your reasoning for PS4 Pro.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
It is. A new generation.
SneakersSO
Member
How is the Scorpio a much bigger deal than the Pro? Cause its stronger?
The marketing pitch is going to be "Play your Xbox One games in Native 4K". The Scorpio isn't a new generation; its just a mid-gen console revision, like the Pro. MS has continually reiterated this. Why fans online refuse to believe it is baffling.
Every time a Gaffer says Scorpio is a new gen (tales from his/her ass) God kills a kitten.
No
No
Electret
Member
Source on this?
2blackcats
Member
Here:
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Nope.
They've said again and again that there will be no scorpio-only games other than VR since XB1 is not strong enough for VR.
Who knows, right now I personally view it as the next step for the Xbox brand.
The whole reason I view it as the next step is because of the way MS/Spencer are talking about it. Calling the XBO an old laptop (that was a dev, not MS) is building the Scorpio to be more than just a high end XBO, in my mind.
SneakersSO
Member
How? MS has continually said the Scorpio is a part of the Xbox One family of systems. Why are fans so insistent on calling this a new generation. Do they think calling it a new gen would have the same affect that jump starting the generation with the 360 did in '05? Cause the market realities of consoles is both completely different than it was back then.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
If it will have exclusive games it's a new generation (with BC).
Nobody from Microsoft said that...
SneakersSO
Member
First off, it wasn't Spencer who said the quote about the old laptop thing - that was a 3rd party, independent developer who most likely doesn't even have a Scorpio dev kit (very few outside of MS studios do, is my understanding).
What Spencer HAS said is that the Scorpio is a part of the Xbox One family, and that there would not be Scorpio exclusive games. Trying to call it a new generation when no one at MS is even implying so is literally the definition of a fool's dream.
According to Phil Spencer, there will not be Scorpio exclusive games. So, by your very own admittance, its not a new generation. Stop spreading this misinformed BS.
Electret
Member
Heh. Yeah, it's not going to be upgradeable. In any universe.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Yeah if you consider the new 3ds to be a separate generation from the original 3ds.
VR Games.
I realize that.
I feel like MS has learned a lot about what people want from their consoles and even the console after the Scorpio will still be a part of the XBO family, in that it will be fully backwards compatible.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
I'm ready to eat my hat if it won't have exclusive games (outside of VR games)
A new gen doesnt signify hardware, but how new software interacts with said hardware to bring a completely new technological baseline.
In that case, either scorpio or Pro are new generations at all, only Switch it for Nintendo
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Question is, will the PS4 Pro have exclusive games. I am talking about when the PS5 is out, and the game is possible on a Pro and not so much on the base PS4, without huge amount of works.
Bitch Pudding
Member
OdysseusVA
Banned
Me
I posted some info during, I believe, the MS conference at E3 this year and hinted about it a month prior. You would have to go searching but the esports/clans/arena/whatever thing that came along with the upgradeable stuff turned out true.
Would make sense considering their stance on "console generations"
Pro will not have exclusive games.
Simply for the fact that there is nothing that Pro can do that PS4 can't do at a lower resolution or marginally lower FPS.
The CPU, and the bandwidth speed and the RAM basically ensure that. Pro is locked to the PS4's base limitations.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I think you guys need to read this interview with Phil Spencer: Here
He directly answers the interviewer's question if there will be Scorpio games that can't be played on XB1 by saying that is not their plan. Their plan is that all games will be playable on both the original XB1 and the scorpio.
They later did say that the original XB1 wouldn't be able to support VR though.
So again... Unless you're calling Phil a liar.
He directly answers the interviewer's question if there will be Scorpio games that can't be played on XB1 by saying that is not their plan. Their plan is that all games will be playable on both the original XB1 and the scorpio.
They later did say that the original XB1 wouldn't be able to support VR though.
So again... Unless you're calling Phil a liar.
I wonder if the same will apply to the ps5.
Then we don't need new consoles at all. You can reduce everything so that it runs on old gen hardware.
In your mind, but it's not the reality they've portrayed. The Scorpio is an upgraded Xbox One, and the GPU power disparity between it and the Pro is 30% - the same as the difference in between PS4 and Xbone base models. Of course with higher numbers, the percentage accounts for more. Either way, it's not a generational leap.
Ehh...with Sony not doing BC currently, I don't have faith in that. One would hope though.
I hope both MS and Sony have at least previous gen compatibility going forward.
yeah, I shouldn't state what I think as facts, apologies.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
Here we go.
"Not in their plan" is not a steady no.
They can't say it now because the xbox one would be less "valuable".
SneakersSO
Member
No, hang on - when MS talks about the Scorpio being a part of the XBO family, they aren't talking about it being BC; they're talking about its APU being built from a very similar foundation from the XBO. It's not doing BC for XBO - its running them natively, because the APU is built as a beefed up XBO APU, worts & all.
The console after Scorpio will be a wholly different APU, and will be strong enough to run XBO through BC. But traditional BC, via some form of emulation, is NOT what the Scorpio is doing.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Lol, no. The Pro is faster, but it uses the same CPU, almost the same memory solution and a faster GPU. Whatever devs come up with for PS4 Pro will also run on an OG PS4.
A PS5 with 16+ GB RAM and a new gen CPU/GPU, now that's another story. But let's cross that bridge when we come to it.
Ahhh...that is something I didn't know. I get ya now.
That's not what i'm referring to. I'm saying that the Pro hardware itself is structured in a way that it is essentially limited to what PS4 can do inherently. We even see issues with Pro trying to push too far beyond, even in its core advantage of GPU power(resolution) because the bandwidth is not great enough.
Pro itself cannot sustain much else beyond what it is explicitly intended for, running PS4 games marginally better and in higher fidelity.
Lel i do
Bitch Pudding
Member
Didn't Phil mention in one of his interviews that it is not written in stone yet that Scorpio will support a VR solution right from the start anyhow?
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Everything right now is a "plan". The thing doesn't even exist yet.
I don't get how you can conclude from what he's said to "it's going to have exclusives" or "it's a new generation".
Yes. May not be at launch but their plan is to support VR.
PS3 BC is problematic due to CELL. Can't be helped but PS5 will have PS4 BC.
RedRedSuit
Member
I already explained why it's a bigger deal above. We can argue about that if you want.
I misspoke. I meant the stakes are higher, not that it's riskier. The only risk is the probable somewhat high price due to the alleged specs.