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[Unknown?]

I disagree with the rest of what you're saying, but you've got a point here. The S came out Aug 2nd, and they're including July (which they won). That's slightly misleading, since what I took them to be implying was, "We've sold more since we introduced the Slim." Actually, it started the month before. (Which is weird, btw; why would they win the month prior?)



Say it ain't so.

They won the month prior because the Xbox was $100 cheaper because of discounts and stock clearing by retailers. They only won by like 10k that month anyway.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Wonder if it's smaller than 15k and 1,5%.

7-10K

Spoiler

Kidding, of course

 

[TimeEffect]

Wow, how is the gap that small? I thought PS4 would have stomped on Xbox.

 

[Loudninja]

Xbox will outsell PS4 during the month of the Scorpio release and the month after (same as PS4 Pro) at the very least. That was my point.

Isn't it a little early to be talking about this?

Their are various factors, like price of both consoles, games and other things.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Wow, how is the gap that small? I thought PS4 would have stomped on Xbox.

Discounting the Minecraft bundle by another $25 would definitely help mitigate the gap, especially during a month where price is of utmost importance for holiday shoppers.

EDIT: Gamestop was also selling the blue Gears 4 bundle with a free controller and $30 gift card for $249. The XB1 had the better deals in December.

 

[Trey]

My sources inform me that Xbox One also sold better than PS4 on days that had prolonged periods of rainfall.

When the days are dreary, Xbox the All in One Console™ is there for you.

 

[hanspampel]

It would be an interesting look if they really did use the time since the S launched. They didn't. Instead it's "We are ahead over an arbitrary 6 month time period", said after they just lost the last two months of that time period.

I have no idea what's interesting about that.

how is that 6 months arbitrary?
5 months would be weird
a year has 4 quarter and 2 halfs

leaving out July would not make any difference at all
Xbox One also outsold Ps4 since launch of the Xbox One S the last 5 months of 2016



And that is exactly what Microsoft is talking about
The original Xbox One got outsold 1.14:1 by Ps4 for the first 2 1/2 years (32 months exactly, to be fair and counting the 2 launch months)
Since the launch of Xbox One S they outsold the Ps4 family (including the 1 months prior xbox one s launch, because we like to compare quarters and not an arbitrary timefrime like april to september)

 

[sirronoh]

You know, now that we know the price of the Switch ($300), if Sony dropped the price of the slim to $250 and announced the white PS4 for North America with a Horizon bundle... I wonder what the chances would be that they rain on Nintendo's parade for March NPD.

 

[blakep267]

You know, now that we know the price of the Switch ($300), if Sony dropped the price of the slim to $250 and announced the white PS4 for North America with a Horizon bundle... I wonder what the chances would be that they rain on Nintendo's parade for March NPD.

Not really how it works. For example when Titan fall and infamous dropped the highest you were getting was like 300-350k for march. I wanna say Sonys biggest non holiday was the September Destiny came out and that was , I may be mistaken but like 500-600k and that was with multiple months of preorders for the Destiny bundle.

I have no idea how the switch is gonna sell, but it should be at least more than 300k

 

[Unknown?]

how is that 6 months arbitrary?
5 months would be weird
a year has 4 quarter and 2 halfs

leaving out July would not make any difference at all
Xbox One also outsold Ps4 since launch of the Xbox One S the last 5 months of 2016



And that is exactly what Microsoft is talking about
The original Xbox One got outsold 1.14:1 by Ps4 for the first 2 1/2 years (32 months exactly, to be fair and counting the 2 launch months)
Since the launch of Xbox One S they outsold the Ps4 family (including the 1 months prior xbox one s launch, because we like to compare quarters and not an arbitrary timefrime like april to september)

It really leaves out facts though. It's true but Xbox wasn't the hottest seller during the holidays. It's like telling a half-truth and a half-truth is still a lie because it's not the whole truth and is deceptive.

Anyway it won't win any Q1 months, that's for sure. It has absolutely no software except one game and what's slated for later in the year is still a question mark.

 

[Lichter]

found the answer myself

 

[sirronoh]

Not really how it works. For example when Titan fall and infamous dropped the highest you were getting was like 300-350k for march. I wanna say Sonys biggest non holiday was the September Destiny came out and that was , I may be mistaken but like 500-600k and that was with multiple months of preorders for the Destiny bundle.

I have no idea how the switch is gonna sell, but it should be at least more than 300k

Yeah I would hope Switch pulls decent launch month numbers. I just worry that it can be overshadowed by the buzz from the PS4, especially considering the price and lack of launch games outside of Zelda. Fascinating that Microsoft and Nintendo are both having a rough start to the one year that Sony is knocking it out the park with the slew of games releasing every month. Really unfortunate timing for them but they do have time to turn it around and if I learned anything from politics in 2016, people have a short memory.

 

[AmFreak]

Woops my bad, didn't read carefully enough.
From the OP though it sounds like NPD are referring specifically to US?

Yeah, the sentence is misleading.

 

[Welfare]

It really leaves out facts though. It's true but Xbox wasn't the hottest seller during the holidays. It's like telling a half-truth and a half-truth is still a lie because it's not the whole truth and is deceptive.

Anyway it won't win any Q1 months, that's for sure. It has absolutely no software except one game and what's slated for later in the year is still a question mark.

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

 

[hanspampel]

It really leaves out facts though. It's true but Xbox wasn't the hottest seller during the holidays. It's like telling a half-truth and a half-truth is still a lie because it's not the whole truth and is deceptive.

Anyway it won't win any Q1 months, that's for sure. It has absolutely no software except one game and what's slated for later in the year is still a question mark.

so Ps4 was the best selling console in 2014 in the us is / was a lie, because it's just half-truth and leaves out the fact xbox one was the hottest seller during the holidays?

 

[blakep267]

Yeah I would hope Switch pulls decent launch month numbers. I just worry that it can be overshadowed by the buzz from the PS4, especially considering the price and lack of launch games outside of Zelda. Fascinating that Microsoft and Nintendo are both having a rough start to the one year that Sony is knocking it out the park with the slew of games releasing every month. Really unfortunate timing for them but they do have time to turn it around and if I learned anything from politics in 2016, people have a short memory.

Nothing Sony puts out these first few month is going to outshine Zelda. The first part of march is going to be dominated by Zelda news and the second part is going to be dominated by Mass effect

 

[ethomaz]

so Ps4 was the best selling console in 2014 in the us is / was a lie, because it's just half-truth and leaves out the fact xbox one was the hottest seller during the holidays?

The comparison you are trying to do is who was the biggest seller in second half of 2014...

Nobody knows, care or whatever...

XB1: 3.27m
PS4: 3.12m

See? Why did MS not used this fact in 2014? Because they have the best seller on holidays spin... now they don't have it so they needed to use the second half of the year spin.

BTW holidays sales is way more important than second half of the year sales.

Why is that bigger news ?
I mean it's good that MS did great but i don't see it as big news .

It is not a big news.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

Why is that bigger news ?
I mean it's good that MS did great but i don't see it as big news .

Nothing Sony puts out these first few month is going to outshine Zelda. The first part of march is going to be dominated by Zelda news and the second part is going to be dominated by Mass effect

HZD if it's good has good chance.
I expect Sony to market the hell out of it .

 

[michaelius]

Yeah I would hope Switch pulls decent launch month numbers. I just worry that it can be overshadowed by the buzz from the PS4, especially considering the price and lack of launch games outside of Zelda. Fascinating that Microsoft and Nintendo are both having a rough start to the one year that Sony is knocking it out the park with the slew of games releasing every month. Really unfortunate timing for them but they do have time to turn it around and if I learned anything from politics in 2016, people have a short memory.

Why would you hope that badly priced console sells well? What kind of incentive would console companies have to work on making best prices for customers if people bought everything ?
Competition only works when people reward good products with better sales otherwise you could release anything.

 

[cakely]

so Ps4 was the best selling console in 2014 in the us is / was a lie, because it's just half-truth and leaves out the fact xbox one was the hottest seller during the holidays?

No, obviously.

"PS4 was the best selling console in 2014 in the US" is a fact.

If you want to look at a smaller time period, that's fine, but it doesn't make a statement about the full year a lie or a half-truth.

You would think that no one would need to explain this to you.

 

[Unknown?]

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

I never said it wasn't, in fact I did say it was a fact. Lol There's no downplaying, just pointing out that it doesn't paint the full picture.

so Ps4 was the best selling console in 2014 in the us is / was a lie, because it's just half-truth and leaves out the fact xbox one was the hottest seller during the holidays?

In itself it's a true fact but if you're telling that to someone without all of the facts it is very deceptive. I.E. it's not the whole truth.

 

[hanspampel]

The comparison you are trying to do is who was the biggest seller in second half of 2014...

Nobody knows, care or whatever...

XB1: 3.27m
PS4: 3.12m

See? Why did MS not used this fact in 2014? Because they have the best seller on holidays spin... now they don't have it so they needed to use the second half of the year spin.

BTW holidays sales is way more important than second half of the year sales.


It is not a big news.

so is that less or more bad than sonys yearly spins? because the timeframe is bigger.
the less the timeframe, the bigger the spin? is that the logic behind this "spin calling" here on gaf? or the other way around? or is it just personal preference what you find a spin, or not?


what about nintendos switch PR spin about 4.4bn units of software sales and over 600million units of hardware?
just because wii u sells like shit, they need to spin that huge and take the whole company history...

Spoiler

i hope i made it clear enough how ridiculous all this stupid spin talk ist

In itself it's a true fact but if you're telling that to someone without all of the facts it is very deceptive. I.E. it's not the whole truth.

there you go

and you never give all the fact behind any statement. that's not how it works.
"dad i won the 100m dash at our shool"
- but hey the best runner did not participate
- the second best runner was disqualified
- i just won my run, not all runs
- our school is not really knows for a great athletics programm
- i'm white so it is even more so an accomplishment
- i just started running 4 years ago, while all other trained for 6 or more
- etc...

you can apply this to everything else


and back to on topic:

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

what about this fact?
you could run this endless and that is the reason it does not make sense.

additional information is always better, but calling a true fact (like you said) a spin just because you don't give out all other additional information, that are context to the fact, is very far-fetched

 

[cakely]

In itself it's true a true fact but if you're telling that to someone without all of the facts it is very deceptive. I.E. it's not the whole truth.

I disagree, completely.

If I give you a statistic that's true for a given time range, such as:

"McChicken was the best selling sandwich at McDonalds for the day of Friday 2017-01-13"

Is it dishonest if I don't mention that Egg McMuffin was the best selling sandwich from 8am-9am?

Spoiler

It is not dishonest.

 

[Humdinger]

They won the month prior because the Xbox was $100 cheaper because of discounts and stock clearing by retailers. They only won by like 10k that month anyway.

Ah, thank you. I figured it was something like that.

Wow, how is the gap that small? I thought PS4 would have stomped on Xbox.

I was actually figuring Xbox would regain the lead in December, with the price cutting, Forza and Gears, positive momentum from the S and the rather muted reception of the Pro. I'm no good at predicting these things, though.

 

[Fdkn]

Why would you hope that badly priced console sells well? What kind of incentive would console companies have to work on making best prices for customers if people bought everything ?
Competition only works when people reward good products with better sales otherwise you could release anything.

this man speaks the truth

 

[onemanasylum]

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

How so? Who is downplaying it? X1s gave x1 a boost, it's really nothing else. Fail to see how that is big news...at all, and we are talking a small difference. If the holiday months did not wipe out the gap....the next few will and add to it.

 

[ethomaz]

If you start to get random periods of time to galgue success then it start to be spin... MS is every time finding a new way to say XB1 did success if you look at this specific scenario.

That way in future they will say "XB1 was the best selling console in second week of January after the XB1 Minecraft bundle" in NPD month thread.

If you can't see how this is ridiculous then I can only give up.

 

[jroc74]

this man speaks the truth

Yup.

See:

Launch 3DS.
Launch PS3.
Launch XBO.

Only one of those companies seemed to learn from previous launch price mistakes.

 

[Pif]

If no PS4 games are further delayed, I believe 2017 is gonna be the year where the gap in sales for both consoles is going to differ greater like never before.

And Switch having a lackluster line-up aside of Zelda, helps to that situation.

 

[Melchiah]

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

So it sold more in total when you combine July-December sales?

 

[Space_nut]

Was Xbox the only YoY this December?

 

[Rurunaki]

Problem with the Scorpio release is that Nintendo Switch will be vying for the holiday top seller as well. So NPD this 2017 holiday is anything but predicatable.

 

[hanspampel]

Was Xbox the only YoY this December?

”December was the biggest month ever for Xbox One sales in the U.S., and Xbox One was the only [current-generation] console with year-over-year growth, according to NPD,"
”In addition, Xbox One was the top-selling console over the second half of 2016, following the announcement of Xbox One S at E3."

so ps3, xb360, wii or 3ds could be up YoY, too


especially ps3.
ps3 sold only 29k units in December 2015
could be easily be up YoY

 

[Tycho_b]

Desperate PR by Microsoft. Geared towards internal audience more than consumer, who doesn't care single month YoY.
Fully expecting 'Best selling console in December)* adverts now
*YoYgrowth

 

[DOWN]

That Microsoft quote. Do they know it is tragically an accidental beacon that screams "we sold less than the competition"?

And wait we got PS4 numbers last week or so and it sounded like it grew

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Problem with the Scorpio release is that Nintendo Switch will be vying for the holiday top seller as well. So NPD this 2017 holiday is anything but predicatable.

Different markets. Bicycles might be down though. What do kids get for Christmas nowadays?

Desperate PR by Microsoft. Geared towards internal audience more than consumer, who doesn't care single month YoY.
Fully expecting 'Best selling console in December)* adverts now
*YoY

It's PR. Spinning things positively is it's purpose. Who cares? They don't want to give consumers the impression that the product is a loser. They don't want the WiiU lonely in the window jpg. Their job is to create excitement for the product.

 

[mejin]

If you start to get random periods of time to galgue success then it start to be spin... MS is every time finding a new way to say XB1 did success if you look at this specific scenario.

That way in future they will say "XB1 was the best selling console in second week of January after the XB1 Minecraft bundle" in NPD month thread.

If you can't how this is ridiculous then I can only give up.

It's really absurd.

 

[reKon]

A $299 Pro at sale price at the big retailers around 2017 BF is going to slay...

I expect that if God of War doesn't make 2017 Holiday's the will be kicking off the marketing campaign around the end of the year for their inevitable March 2018 release and they will start showing off more of the Last of Us 2 by the end of the year as well (PSX). Throw Uncharted Legacy in there for 2017 holidays and you have a party!

I think that the Scorpio at $399 (which is a good price point to target) is still going to be a hard sell to most Xbox One S/PS4 owners (the hardcore who don't have gaming PCs will go after it though). They will NEED to have to have some big exclusive to push it, unless they are really going to take the 4K gaming route and begin making those promises of insane power. I wouldn't put it past them to market it like this just as they've been spending years marking the Xbox has the console with the "biggest and best blockbuster exclusives" (including Ryse in that line up - lol).

With all that said, if Nintendo doesn't at least cut the Switch $250 with a bundle game, RIP!

 

[anothertech]

so is that less or more bad than sonys yearly spins? because the timeframe is bigger.

Cause there's no spin needed when you win the holidays and win the year. What spin you talking about?

Spin is when you lose and pr speak like you won.

"We sold the best during this random time that we've never reported about before!"

Vs

"We were number one in hollidays and for the year"

 

[Unknown?]

there you go

and you never give all the fact behind any statement. that's not how it works.
"dad i won the 100m dash at our shool"
- but hey the best runner did not participate
- the second best runner was disqualified
- i just won my run, not all runs
- our school is not really knows for a great athletics programm
- i'm white so it is even more so an accomplishment
- i just started running 4 years ago, while all other trained for 6 or more
- etc...

you can apply this to everything else


and back to on topic:

what about this fact?
you could run this endless and that is the reason it does not make sense.

additional information is always better, but calling a true fact (like you said) a spin just because you don't give out all other additional information, that are context to the fact, is very far-fetched

Well I was just saying it doesn't paint a full picture and that's why it's PR, you can't use PR to judge how the market is trending.

But why I say that is as far as what they're saying, my personal opinion is that it doesn't really matter. It's like in a quarter mile race where during one segment a car in behind is catching up but then still loses.

 

[hanspampel]

Cause there's no spin needed when you win the holidays and win the year. What spin you talking about?

Spin is when you lose and pr speak like you won.

"We sold the best during this random time that we've never reported about before!"

Vs

"We were number one in hollidays and for the year"

i make fun of other posts
because winning the year while loosing one months, is not "telling the whole truth"
and while winning the holidays and the full year was true for 2015, it wasn't in 2014
so pr for 2015 is fine, but 2014 not /s


there is also no spin needed, when you relaunch your band and console with a new hardware revision and see success in it and sales reflect that. you can just say it that way and everything should be fine. but some people here are desperate to call everything possible a spin. but as i said; either everything is a spin or nothing is a spin. and people then will start to argue about their own biased personal opinion about what counts as a spin and what not


and that is the point, where the conversation gets stupid and we should stop here.

 

[Unknown?]

i make fun of other posts
because winning the year while loosing one months, is not "telling the whole truth"
and while winning the holidays and the full year was true for 2015, it wasn't in 2014
so pr for 2015 is fine, but 2014 not /s


there is also no spin needed, when you relaunch your band and console with a new hardware revision and see success in it and sales reflect that. you can just say it that way and everything should be fine. but some people here are desperate to call everything possible a spin. but as i said; either everything is a spin or nothing is a spin. and people then will start to argue about their own biased personal opinion about what counts as a spin and what not


and that is the point, where the conversation gets stupid and we should stop here.

But I don't remember Sony explicitly saying they sold the most that year in a press release. If they did i would say the same.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

PS4 won the year and the holiday season AGAIN. Case closed. Everything else is just noise/fodder.

Worldwide...

 

[gtj1092]

The fact is that the holiday months could not cancel out the gains made by MS in July to October. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

The fact is that the last six months could not cancel out the gains made by Sony from January to June and November to December. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

Also when you factor in that Sony was able to outsell a more desirable product during the holiday the story gets even bigger.

 

[cakely]

The fact is that the last six months could not cancel out the gains made by Sony from January to June and November to December. That is actually much bigger news than what some try to downplay it as.

Also when you factor in that Sony was able to outsell a more desirable product during the holiday the story gets even bigger.

And let's not forget: Sony was crippled by the lack of that killer feature, UHD Blu-ray.

 

[Liabe Brave]

leaving out July would not make any difference at all
Xbox One also outsold Ps4 since launch of the Xbox One S the last 5 months of 2016

We do not know that for a fact. Depending on the December gap, PS4 might have sold more since S launch.

- i'm white so it is even more so an accomplishment

Did you just fucking post this bullshit as an acceptable example of an unstated factor?

Remove it immediately.

 

[JJH]

Wow, how is the gap that small? I thought PS4 would have stomped on Xbox.

MS were practically giving out consoles this holiday season. They had some really great deals.

 

[Hugstable]

Great to see both consoles doing so well month after month. Hope the success continues

 

[jeffram]

I wonder with all mention of 4K and HDR in the Xbox One S marketing if Microsoft will have a hard time positioning the Scorpio.

 

[cakely]

- i'm white so it is even more so an accomplishment

Is that you just checking to see if anyone was reading your posts?

Because I'll admit, I didn't see that little gem until someone else quoted it.