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[BacklashWave534]

PC Gaming has become a joke. Beside mod support and high end emulation is nothing that justefies that big pricegap anymore if u play mainstream games.

The ability to keep your games forever regardless of upgrades, better sale prices on games, free online, ability to experience games at high frame rates at max texture settings, bigger choice of peripherals (controllers, VR, etc.), multiple store options, easier upgrades to storage, better streaming options. I could go on but i think that covers the basics.

 

[Elcid]

Oof I neeed that 3090

 

[Orta]

I'm assuming 10gb of ddr6 vram is 'better' than 10gb of ddr5 vram?

 

[Ulysses 31]

2 3090s in SLI.
Assuming it's supported

 

[Bernd Lauert]

If the 3090 is $2000, does this mean the 3080 will be at least $1000?

 

[ebb]

Any chance we will see AIO 3090s, and if so, they could be a shorter length?

I'm rocking a Meshify C case, I could swing the 3 slots and PSU requirements, but really don't want to rearrange my whole fan setup to try and fit this massive card.

 

[Ellery]

Friendly reminder that GTX970 has only "3.5GB" vram is still fine. I have a 1080Ti with 1440p screen and it barely reach 7gb usage, so stop with the memes

The 970 is honestly not fine anymore. Maybe if you want to play modern games in 1080p on medium settings with 40-50fps.
Also there are people out there using a 4K monitor or even bigger multi monitor setups so your anecdotal evidence of a completely different setup might not necessarily apply to other people.

I know that, i bought a ASUS Gefoprce 3 Ti 500 back in the day.
Its not about the high end cards, but also middle-high cards. Just look at a 2070 super, thats 500-600 Euros and u cant even run RDR2 at 1440/60fps on ultra. Meanwhile on the XBOXONEX u get a native 4k/30fps with mid to high settings (still looks awesome) for 399. And i bet beside the fps most pc gamer wouldnt notice the "bad" lod or shadow quality while playing. Maybe im too old but i wont pay nearly tripple the price, just so i can stand still in the game and observe 10 more bushes and trees at the horizion.

Well neither can the Xbox One X and I hope by now people have realized that running settings on ultra is extremely stupid and just a gigantic performance hog with virtually zero visual fidelity increase (obviously there are exceptions). I don't think the comparison you are trying to make is fair, but I get your point. My 12TF PC can't run a game that looks as good as Naughty Dog games.

 

[Myths]

Game over for these next gen consoles.

 

[Armorian]

Yes. But that's what the 2.5GB of the 16GB is for. 13.5GB is just for the GPU so it's more. Like I said though, the 3000cards have more bandwidth. I'm trying to look at the pros and cons of both.



Yes it's 2.5GB for system memory.



So effectively MS has 10GB of RAM that can practically be used for the GPU. 3.5GB of slower RAM which can also be used for the GPU, but will have to be leveraged differently. PS5 should be around the same but it's slightly slower, but they have more available at a higher speed.

2.5GB is for OS only, games had to use part of this GDDR6 as RAM on PC. So for example you can have VRAM usage of 8GB for GPU and 6.5GB left for CPU stuff.

If the 3090 is $2000, does this mean the 3080 will be at least $1000?

I thinks it's 1400 for 3090 and 800 for 3080.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

You forgot to add ram for CPU console gaming calculations

It's effectively minimal, isn't it? Here's KZ Shadowfall's footprint.

 

[00_Zer0]

Not liking the gap between the 3080 and 3090, especially when everyone knows Nvidia will release Super versions of these cards next year. It will be interesting to see what the price and performance ratio of Big Navi will be given that one of the rumored versions of AMD's card will supposedly have 16 GB of GDDR6 in it.

 

[llien]

If the 3090 is $2000, does this mean the 3080 will be at least $1000?

It will depend on how big AMD's chip is.
NV going conservative with RAM size on 3080 rather hints it expects AMD to have competing product in that niche.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

You forgot to add ram for CPU console gaming calculations

You're right actually. I think both consoles are probably more or less equivalent to 10GB VRAM when you account for the things that PC can offload into normal system RAM.

 

[Jonsoncao]

Dude, go blame Nvidia then. They marketed it to the PC Gamers. And dont forget "narcissistic" Gamers like me paved the way so this shit could innovate and become affordable today.

Why would I blame NVIDIA? As a researcher, I benefit from NVIDIA exploiting gamers.

 

[Rikkori]

So long as the 3080 20GB rumours are true then it's frankly easy to just buy that and the cruise for the next 6+ years of this coming generation. It will still be much faster than what consoles have, and if you try to go too far from that optimised settings target you run into some hard diminishing returns. Besides some hardcore ray tracing there's really no need.

 

[saintjules]

2.5GB is for OS only, games had to use part of this GDDR6 as RAM on PC. So for example you can have VRAM usage of 8GB for GPU and 6.5GB left for CPU stuff.

I thinks it's 1400 for 3090 and 800 for 3080.

Yeah, the user corrected himself on the pricing.

 

[Silver Wattle]

The pc GPU space looks horrible for the next year+, unless AMD can offer something compelling.
Just buy a console and wait it out, fk paying 1k for a 10GB card.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I thinks it's 1400 for 3090 and 800 for 3080.

That makes much more sense.

 

[Chastten]

10-15 years ago you bought a midrange graphics card for €100 or a high end card for <€250. Nowadays we have... this.

And people still wonder why some people prefer consoles

 

[mckmas8808]

Rumours are $800 for the 3800 and $1400 for the 3090. Ouch.

Jeez man!

 

[nkarafo]

VRAM seems low. It means the midrange 3060 will probably have 8GB. My current card has 6GB and some games already maxes that.

 

[iJudged]

Yeah, the user corrected himself on the pricing.

NGL, that's not bad, $1400 for all that power, not bad at all, $800 for a card that blows 2080ti out of the water, and $200 cheaper then 2080ti is today...

 

[killatopak]

Could easily see a 3080TI/Super at $1000-1200 then.

 

[notseqi]

NGL, that's not bad, $1400 for all that power, not bad at all, $800 for a card that blows 2080ti out of the water, and $200 cheaper then 2080ti is today...

According to prices dictated by Nvidia, which you apparently got used to maybe a little too much. Top runner was always ~500 until they flexed, I don't like the new normal.

 

[Bog]

wow, imagine having that kind of money...

...and still feel good about spending it in a pandemic :yikes:

Who are you to tell other people how to spend their money? If you can afford this, rock it. Don’t apologize.

 

[Rbk_3]

TBH the prices don't bother me that much. If you upgrade every 2 years it just means your cards resale value is that much more as well.

 

[iJudged]

According to prices dictated by Nvidia, which you apparently got used to maybe a little too much. Top runner was always ~500 until they flexed, I don't like the new normal.

thank the ctyptominers

 

[CitizenX]

You're gonna need a bigger boat.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Not gonna go SLI this time, sold off one of my 2080TIs a while back since support is so minimal current-gen.

 

[The Pleasure]

Paying 2K for a GPU... just to play console ports and Fortnite.

 

[Brofist]

Paying 2K for a GPU... just to play console ports and Fortnite.

wow, imagine having that kind of money...

...and still feel good about spending it in a pandemic :yikes:

Sorry poors, some people have money to spend.

 

[Ellery]

According to prices dictated by Nvidia, which you apparently got used to maybe a little too much. Top runner was always ~500 until they flexed, I don't like the new normal.

I agree. However the cards are much bigger and more expensive to make now. An RTX 2080 Ti or RTX 3090 at $499 wouldn't be possible anymore like we remember from the days of 480/580 etc.

Still I think the price increase that Nvidia went through was too much even when we factor in rising R&D costs, inflation and the increase of the chip size of the flagship cards.

 

[wordslaughter]

So 3080 with 10GB in September but once Big Navi gets released and makes 16GB the standard, Nvidia responds with a 3080Ti/3080 Super with 20GB.

 

[Venom Snake]

Sorry poors, some people have money to spend.

Yeah, all of it

 

[Ellery]

So 3080 with 10GB in September but once Big Navi gets released and makes 16GB the standard, Nvidia responds with a 3080Ti/3080 Super with 20GB.

Good point and I speculated about that with a mate since Nvidia knows a lot more about what AMD currently plans (and they are much much better at having educated guesses about what AMD is doing than me) it would leave room for a card between the two to counter the Big Navi like you said.

 

[notseqi]

I agree. However the cards are much bigger and more expensive to make now. An RTX 2080 Ti or RTX 3090 at $499 wouldn't be possible anymore like we remember from the days of 480/580 etc.

Still I think the price increase that Nvidia went through was too much even when we factor in rising R&D costs, inflation and the increase of the chip size of the flagship cards.

I believe that we would see very different pricing as soon as AMD can get their sorry asses in gear (of which I am a fanboy of). Bloody monopoly.

 

[GymWolf]

Wtf why? You pay 800+ dollars just to have only 10 gb?

 

[The Pleasure]

Sorry poors, some people have money to spend.

Fuck that graphics card. Oled tv calls. So does sound. Pc gamers can sit in early access with a case of redbull.

 

[longdi]

At least Nvidia knows how to do pre-launch hype

 

[Ulysses 31]

Fuck that graphics card. Oled tv calls. So does sound. Pc gamers can sit in early access with a case of redbull.

Some OLEDs support G-Sync which games them good for PC gaming with this new card!

 

[The Pleasure]

Some OLEDs support G-Sync which games them good for PC gaming with this new card!

Don't want pcs giving me burn in. Plus i can get a better sound bar for the movies. So imma hed out from nvidias greedy hand. I'm not paying two gs for six months of power advantage. I did that shit in the mid 90s when it was worth it.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

This is the true next gen launch of the year.

 

[GymWolf]

I know that, i bought a ASUS Gefoprce 3 Ti 500 back in the day.
Its not about the high end cards, but also middle-high cards. Just look at a 2070 super, thats 500-600 Euros and u cant even run RDR2 at 1440/60fps on ultra. Meanwhile on the XBOXONEX u get a native 4k/30fps with mid to high settings (still looks awesome) for 399. And i bet beside the fps most pc gamer wouldnt notice the "bad" lod or shadow quality while playing. Maybe im too old but i wont pay nearly tripple the price, just so i can stand still in the game and observe 10 more bushes and trees at the horizion.

Console version has a lot of things on low or lower than low and the iq on pc at 1440p is cleaner than xone x at 4k (don't ask me why, probably the aa used on console).

Not trying to say that you are wrong, it was just a "for the record" thing.

 

[notseqi]

sound bar

1,4k for gfx, tree fiddy for sound.

edit: misread your stance, still leaving it as posted

 

[Ulysses 31]

Don't want pcs giving me burn in. Plus i can get a better sound bar for the movies. So imma hed out from nvidias greedy hand. I'm not paying two gs for six months of power advantage. I did that shit in the mid 90s when it was worth it.

True, I'd never use an OLED when I do a lot of desktop work but just for games it would be good. The price was corrected to 1400$.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

The 970 is honestly not fine anymore. Maybe if you want to play modern games in 1080p on medium settings with 40-50fps.
Also there are people out there using a 4K monitor or even bigger multi monitor setups so your anecdotal evidence of a completely different setup might not necessarily apply to other people.



Well neither can the Xbox One X and I hope by now people have realized that running settings on ultra is extremely stupid and just a gigantic performance hog with virtually zero visual fidelity increase (obviously there are exceptions). I don't think the comparison you are trying to make is fair, but I get your point. My 12TF PC can't run a game that looks as good as Naughty Dog games.

yeah. i just went from a 970 to a 2080 a d the difference is very obvious. I'm getting 70+fps on MS FS2020 @1440p with my 2080.. I imagine my 970 would poke.

 

[Spukc]

Friendly reminder that GTX970 has only "3.5GB" vram is still fine. I have a 1080Ti with 1440p screen and it barely reach 7gb usage, so stop with the memes

Enjoy less i guess

 

[iHaunter]

Sticking with my 2080Ti. Fuck thattttttttt.

 

[tillbot8]

Sounds monsterous, but doesnt it make it appear the 3080 is devalued? Its a strangly massive jump between their two top cards and where is a TI going to fit in with that? Why didnt they just call the 3090 a Titan and seperate them completely?

 

[Knightime_X]

Can't read this without this playing in the background...


oh yeah, MUCH better. XD