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[xStoyax]

Digital Foundry's latest video recapped the NVIDIA 30XX conference.

In regards to the $499 3070 Digital Foundry claims the card will offer Superior GPU Performance compared to the Xbox Series X and that is before you even factor in DLSS.

They say Microsoft is working on image upscaling tech similar to DLSS, but that Xbox Series X doesn't have dedicated hardware and it won't be competitive with what NVIDIA has short of a Miracle

They also point out that we don't know if Sony is working on similar tech yet.

Really disappointing if AMD doesn't have something that comes close to DLSS. I get that they're years behind, but it's such a huge leap that if this is true then it won't be long before we're getting another refresh.

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[Craig of War]

Should also add PS5 to it too.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Should also add PS5 to it too.

 

[Hendrick's]

Should also add PS5 to it too.

PC master race is taking over. Best place the play PS5 and Xbox games will be on a 3080.

 

[Craig of War]

PC master race is taking over. Best place the play PS5 and Xbox games will be on a 3080.

3090 but close enough.

 

[xStoyax]

Should also add PS5 to it too.

Its there, you just gotta read

 

[Craig of War]

Its there, you just gotta read

Add it to the title i mean.

 

[Shmunter]

I’m more concerned about the 2.5gig ssd going forward.

 

[Bryank75]

PC master race is taking over. Best place the play PS5 and Xbox games will be on a 3080.

They're not getting PS5 games till the end of the next gen....

I mean they might get TLOU1 or BB. They'd be doing well at that. I think that's optimistic enough.

 

[oldergamer]

Not sure what they mean it doent have the hardware. It has machine learning hardware. How does df explain ms adding hdr to older games? Same hardware that processes the entire screen can be used for upscaling

 

[xStoyax]

Add it to the title i mean.

They say we don’t know if they’re working on it. But with Xbox they say they’re confident they are and since we got a teardown of the Xbox they know there’s no hardware to do it

 

[MrFunSocks]

Why only focus on the Series X when the exact same applies to the PS5?

Silly question I suppose.

That Red Dragon tweet is ridiculous too. They're making the mistake in assuming that people that buy consoles will just buy a PC if it gets all the console games. That's not true, never has been true, and never will be true. The GPU alone that you need for this costs almost as much as the Series X will.

How exactly does DLSS work with the machine learning? Does the machine learning just build like a "profile" and then the hardware uses that profile for the DLSS? Surely it's not running machine learning and applying the results in real time to every frame? If it's the former, what reason is there why MS couldn't run the machine learning on azure and then send the profiles to the game?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

And Switch 2 will likely have Tensor cores and use DLSS 2.0 (or even the next gen of that). Scenes when a ~3 TF docked console delivers virtually the same visual output as the XSX and PS5.

 

[Potato Chip PRO]

I think comparing a GPU to a console with locked specs for the rest of its life is the dumbest thing in existence...

 

[Bryank75]

Why only focus on the Series X when the exact same applies to the PS5?

Silly question I suppose.

XSX is trying to sell itself on graphical performance, that was the pitch.

These cards are more damaging to that IMO.

 

[Kagey K]

Why only focus on the Series X when the exact same applies to the PS5?

Silly question I suppose.

The obvious answer would be that since the Series X can’t and is more powerful, the PS5 obviously won’t either.

They just chose to compare it to the stronger next gen console.

 

[RookX22]

Man reading can be tough. I am excited to see what amd and Sony is cooking up. Some amd upscaling and image sharpening helps get a better looking game with higher fps at a lower resolution already on current gen cards, I imagine they will have something for rdna2 wether the consoles use it I don't know but I do know that checkerboarding on PS4 pro was real nice so they will probably have something similar or better since the hardware is more capable.

 

[MrFunSocks]

The obvious answer would be that since the Series X can’t and is more powerful, the PS5 obviously won’t either.

They just chose to compare it to the stronger next gen console.

I'm more talking about OPs title.

 

[THE DUCK]

Wonder what people will say if Intel by some miracle delivers on the idea of a true multi gpu with the potential of dwarfing even the 3090? (Regardless of dlss)

And why does this article say xbox and not ps5? I do think xbox may have something up thier sleeves dlss wise for series s......(and x too)

 

[Shmunter]

S

XSX is trying to sell itself on graphical performance, that was the pitch.

These cards are more damaging to that IMO.

Sony introduced dedicated hardware even in PS4 pro with the stencil buffer in relation to checkerboarding. While there are no guarantees, common sense would indicate that their focus on iq enhancement tech will continue and evolve with PS5.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Things will balance back out, but at the moment it’s feeling a bit like Nvidia offered a product so compelling, they won the console wars as well. I see lots of switchers maybe happening.

It will be fascinating to see how this breaks down into multiplatform performance, especially as the generation goes on. I think it’s important to remember that PS5, and one assumes, Series X, are capable of some mind-blowing gorgeousness themselves, though. Just... not as much.

 

[xiseerht]

I don't understand this . $499 for one video card , vs $499 for the whole Xbox Series X is not really a fair match up. And also , MS is very much happy if you want to game on PC or Console. They still get your money .

 

[Chiggs]

Xbox Series X can’t have catch a break.

 

[RookX22]

I don't understand this . $499 for one video card , vs $499 for the whole Xbox Series X is not really a fair match up. And also , MS is very much happy if you want to game on PC or Console. They still get your money .

What if I game on Linux and pirate or pirate windows and pirate?

 

[xiseerht]

What if I game on Linux and pirate or pirate windows and pirate?

Then no one cares about you. LOL

 

[LOLCats]

and no one is surprised. this happens everytime.

 

[RookX22]

Then no one cares about you. LOL

Well fine I just wanted to be a pirate.

 

[Bryank75]

Things will balance back out, but at the moment it’s feeling a bit like Nvidia offered a product so compelling, they won the console wars as well. I see lots of switchers maybe happening.

It will be fascinating to see how this breaks down into multiplatform performance, especially as the generation goes on. I think it’s important to remember that PS5, and one assumes, Series X, are capable of some mind-blowing gorgeousness themselves, though. Just... not as much.

Hopefully it scares the shit out of the bigwigs at PlayStation so the triple down on exclusives.

 

[Kagey K]

I'm more talking about OPs title.

Oh well that’s obvious as well.

 

[longdi]

I watched the video, and DF thinks series x will have some ML, quite powerful but not as secret sauce as DLSS.

They also talked about ps5 lack of confirmation for ML upscaling. They give the impression ps5 hardware is the laggard but if you want sony games, then you gotta take its bad with its good. Feels like Sony will be in a Nintendo like position in terms of power v games

 

[Craig of War]

What if I game on Linux and pirate or pirate windows and pirate?

Pirate Windows Dual booting Linux with Wine

 

[RookX22]

Pirate Windows Dual booting Linux with Wine

Pirate windows with Linux virtual machine running Mac os virtual machine with a Linux side load running retropie.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

PC master race is taking over. Best place the play PS5 and Xbox games will be on a 3080.

Where is that picture of the steam guy holding a bunch of Sony games, asking if another guy is finished with his Sony game?

 

[Craig of War]

Pirate windows with Linux virtual machine running Mac os virtual machine with a Linux side load running retropie.

OK you win bro.

 

[Shmunter]

I watched the video, and DF thinks series x will have some ML, quite powerful but not as secret sauce as DLSS.

They also talked about ps5 lack of confirmation for ML upscaling. They give the impression ps5 hardware is the laggard but if you want sony games, then you gotta take its bad with its good. Feels like Sony will be in a Nintendo like position in terms of power v games

The predictable outcome is that the best looking games will still be on PS5. Just like the last 2 gens.

People that judge quality via a checklist of deployed hardware effects Vs the application of effects will of course deny this despite what their own eyes are telling them.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Yes, the Tensor Cores are definitely a breakthrough. I think it caught AMD off guard. Especially with the consoles.

 

[iJudged]

Looks rapey, like that bean from Rick & Morty.

 

[onQ123]

I don't think Digital Foundry has done the study on ML enough to know this or not. MS has done a lot of work on ML so we should at least wait to see how it comes out.

 

[Bryank75]

Yes, the Tensor Cores are definitely a breakthrough. I think it caught AMD off guard. Especially with the consoles.

They better be giving the console makers discounts now... that is embarrassing to be so outclassed.
Doesn't matter if you have exclusives but if you have no USP, then it's game over.

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

PC master race is taking over. Best place the play PS5 and Xbox games will be on a 3080.

Please, continue to tell us the size of your penis.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

Either DF is not fully informed or MS is not telling the truth about Direct ML.

 

[reinking]

I don't understand this . $499 for one video card , vs $499 for the whole Xbox Series X is not really a fair match up. And also , MS is very much happy if you want to game on PC or Console. They still get your money .

Except PC plays online for free without that annoying monthly fee. Sure, PC is a bit more expensive but you are getting more performance. Honestly, MS is making it harder to choose the Series X over a PC upgrade.

 

[JustP_Gaming]

The predictable outcome is that the best looking games will still be on PS5. Just like the last 2 gens.

People that judge quality via a checklist of deployed hardware effects Vs the application of effects will of course deny this despite what their own eyes are telling them.

Best looking doesn't mean anything..but it does help.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

Xbox Series X can’t have catch a break.

 

[Hendrick's]

They're not getting PS5 games till the end of the next gen....

I mean they might get TLOU1 or BB. They'd be doing well at that. I think that's optimistic enough.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

 

[MrFunSocks]

I don't think Digital Foundry has done the study on ML enough to know this or not. MS has done a lot of work on ML so we should at least wait to see how it comes out.

Microsoft’s all over machine learning, they offer it to everyone on azure. It just depends if they can leverage that for something like dlss.

Except PC plays online for free without that annoying monthly fee. Sure, PC is a bit more expensive but you are getting more performance. Honestly, MS is making it harder to choose the Series X over a PC upgrade.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. They don’t care about converting pc gamers to console, they want pc gamers buying their games on pc. Console gamers aren’t switching to pc en masse.

 

[Hendrick's]

Please, continue to tell us the size of your penis.

PM me for pics.

 

[Lethal01]

Should also add PS5 to it too.

Nah it's just Microsoft. They saw the Upscaling of the UE5 demo and said they needed to rethink their entire methodology.

 

[Bryank75]

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

I mean that is almost exactly what VFXVeteran said..... TLOU1.

I added in BB for something nice if they are being nice and I'm being optimistic there.

However I fully expect Sony to think twice about everything after this Nvidia presentation.

 

[Hendrick's]

I mean that is almost exactly what VFXVeteran said..... TLOU1.

I added in BB for something nice if they are being nice and I'm being optimistic there.

However I fully expect Sony to think twice about everything after this Nvidia presentation.

I expect the to ramp up PC gaming. Why wouldn't they? Not day and date, but I could easily see them coming 6-12 months. They got a taste of that Steam money with HZD.