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[OrtizTwelve]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

 

[Stuart360]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

And what will happen if they dont?. In fact what will happen if they do?

 

[jhjfss]

And what will happen if they dont?. In fact what will happen if they do?

We all wait for E3 2022.

 

[Negotiator101]

for that Kojima game, just because it’s shown at a conference doesn't make it exclusive.

Microsoft are rumoured to be financing it apparently.

 

[Negotiator101]

I wonder what went wrong with the mainline Forza series if two Horizon games will be shipped before for the latest one.

Also, I hope they have a ton more games to show off. That seems pretty light for a new console.

Nothing they are building a much more ambitious Forza so it takes more time. I think they may well show something this year though.

 

[Craig of War]

Microsoft are rumoured to be financing it apparently.

MS also finance Rise of the Tomb Raider and it still ended up on Playstation so anything can happen.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Pretty underwhelming if true. Of the top three there; Halo Infinite is not going to magically look great, Starfield we've known about for a while and Wolfenstein 3 will be multiplatform.

That leaves a couple games there that are years and years away.

 

[Stuart360]

Pretty underwhelming if true. Of the top three there; Halo Infinite is not going to magically look great, Starfield we've known about for a while and Wolfenstein 3 will be multiplatform.

That leaves a couple games there that are years and years away.

Dude let it go, honestly.

 

[reksveks]

Starfield we've known about for a while

We know nothing about Starfield except for the name and a couple of small leaks. It's still a brand new ip from Bethesda which is a big deal.

 

[Calverz]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

This rhetoric really needs to stop.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

This is setting them up to fail honestly and is not realistic.

I think their last 5 shows have been awful, the Halo Infinite one the Magnum opus of bad.

 

[DavidGzz]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

The console is selling out and Game Pass is probably up to 25 mil subs now as it keeps snowballing. I think Xbox will be fine without blowing everyone away. It will be fun to watch for rational people like me.

 

[Stuart360]

The console is selling out and Game Pass is probably up to 25 mil subs now as it keeps snowballing. I think Xbox will be fine without blowing everyone away. It will be fun to watch for rational people like me.

We never have, and never will, have a conference where Microsoft or Sony show off every game in development, so i dont know why people are expecting everything to be shown.
Its a 90min conference, and Halo and Starfield will, take up 30-45mins of that.
Grubb, or one of the 'insiders' alrady speculated that they are only showing stuff coming in the next year or 2, and not games years out.
And we live in the digital age now, both Sony and Microsoft will probably have these kind of online things every few months going on i'd bet.

 

[Guardian's Light]

Reddit and Klobrille ninjas are at it again. For quick context Klobrille has been leaking stuff since 2018 and has been very accurate for the last few years and tends to leak most of the E3 stuff for MS.

Note - Mods pls fix the spelling on title kthxbai <3

Sources.

- Starfield
- Halo Infinite
- Wolfenstein 3
- Kojima Game
- Project Dragon RPG by IO Interactive (New IP)
- Project Omen (Dracula/Vampires New IP) by Arkane

- Forza Horizon 5 with this year release date and set in Mexico

- Awoved (Game is in great shape and is almost fully on schedule for release)

Discuss.

Bonus - Female Artist at Playground games also stated that we should be seeing the game/Fable soon (she's a outsourced artist) However, no word from Klobrille on this particular title. I would not hold my breath.

Kojima game would be great, but even more I crave Wolfenstein 3, can't wait to complete the trilogy and see its plot ending

Do you guys know what I fear, tho?


Wolfy being xbox lifetime exclusive due to Bethesda acquisition, and lifetime or for a year for the Kojima game, would be really annoying and Wolfenstein would break my heart

 

[DavidGzz]

Kojima game would be great, but even more I crave Wolfenstein 3, can't wait to complete the trilogy and see its plot ending

Do you guys know what I fear, tho?


Wolfy being xbox lifetime exclusive due to Bethesda acquisition, and lifetime or for a year for the Kojima game, would be really annoying and Wolfenstein would break my heart

As in not on Playstation? Cause that's a sure thing.

 

[supernova8]

I think its a good 8/10 list. What more would you like to see on there for the remainder of 2021?

Oh, I dont know.. maybe:

- Stalker
- Forza (non Horizon)
- Hellblade 2
- Perfect Dark
- Everwild (that game that seems to not be anything, still)
- State of Decay 3

There's loads of stuff they announced last year that, according to this rumor, are going missing and we won't hear a thing.

Hellblade 2 and Everwild seem to have been in development for ages, so there's no excuse with those. They should have something to show by now.

 

[supernova8]

What rest of stuff? The only fair criticism is Halo and Everwild’s lengthy development period... the coalition released Gears 2019, and Tactics 2020, Obsidian released Grounded 2020, explanations to The Outer Worlds, FH4 was 2018 and that’s pretty much all the studios they have until 2018 (the same year they were bought). I don’t think you realize how litttle studios they had before 2018. If we give Xbox the same development time you guys give Sony then they wouldn’t have anything ready till 2022 the earliest unless the game was already in production (that’s where Bethesda can come into play).

"we guys" lol not as if I'm always singing Sony's praises. I was royally irritated by their lack of games but of course they have R&C coming out shortly, Boring Souls and Spiderman are already out (sure SpiderMan is cross-gen but it looks nice at least), and we just got a big chunk of Horizon gameplay which, while also being cross-gen, is universally accepted as a "nice-looking game".

 

[Guardian's Light]

As in not on Playstation? Cause that's a sure thing.

My heart hurts.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

This is setting them up to fail honestly and is not realistic.

I think their last 5 shows have been awful, the Halo Infinite one the Magnum opus of bad.

Halo Infinite gameplay looked industry leading. Even in that "awful" presentation.

Lot of games being shown recently that look great, but people won't be able to finish cause too much scripted gameplay that gets old.

Style over substance.

 

[me0wish]

Oh no, if there's a kojima game.. the internet is gonna get wild.

Kojima is dead to me if he is making a game for Xbox. I'll lose all respect for him.

I don't care for Kojima, and I don't have an Xbox, but it's my most anticipated announcement this year, just for the reactions.

 

[Neolombax]

Why does Xbox always get the dragon games, why.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Halo Infinite gameplay looked industry leading. Even in that "awful" presentation.

Lot of games being shown recently that look great, but people won't be able to finish cause too much scripted gameplay that gets old.

Style over substance.

Definitely a huge plus for me. I don't have any interest in scripted corridor style campaigns such as tomb raider, uncharted, last of us etc. They're just not what I want in terms of gameplay and replayability.

 

[cHaOs667]

Halo Infinite gameplay looked industry leading. Even in that "awful" presentation.

Lot of games being shown recently that look great, but people won't be able to finish cause too much scripted gameplay that gets old.

Style over substance.

I can only say - yes the presentation was "awful" but I, and many other Halo fans, were stoked for the gameplay and I would have *loved* to be able to play this game last Christmas :/

 

[CuNi]

I can only say - yes the presentation was "awful" but I, and many other Halo fans, were stoked for the gameplay and I would have *loved* to be able to play this game last Christmas :/

The idea of that graplin hook is really upsetting me for some reason. It began with sprint, than this weird dash and now a grappling hook. What comes next, a Halo Metroidvania where you play as Sam Aran and have to restore your Armor abilities? I liked Halo the old school way, ngl. I applaud them for trying out new stuff tho.

 

[ZywyPL]

We never have, and never will, have a conference where Microsoft or Sony show off every game in development, so i dont know why people are expecting everything to be shown.

That's the thing - given modern games development time, it's virtually impossible to have all the projects progress to line up with just one event in the year, many games might not be ready to shown at E3 but somewhere later in the year, or early 2022, so you can either show nothing on rely on CGI, "captured on", "running real-time" etc. kind of trailers to fill the event with content.

But that being said, I agree with OrtizTwelve that MS would really, REALLY benefit from having one huge, meaningful event that will make everyone's jaw drop and most importantly leave a hype for months to come, but realistically, there are slim chances for that to happen - the latest bunch of released Halo PC screenshots barely differ from last year's reveal. Starfield, well, let's allow the game to introduce itself first instead of hyping it through the roof based on just its logo, because that's what has been revealed so far. Hellblade 2, Everwild, Avowed and so on, they all seem to be very early in the production, so again, close to no chance of seeing their actual gameplay.

I take this leak with a grain of salt obviously, but 10$ ad previous experiences/evens tell me that this will be yet another overblown event with one maybe two games games that will catch my attention. I want to be wrong, but it is what it is.

 

[oldergamer]

"we guys" lol not as if I'm always singing Sony's praises. I was royally irritated by their lack of games but of course they have R&C coming out shortly, Boring Souls and Spiderman are already out (sure SpiderMan is cross-gen but it looks nice at least), and we just got a big chunk of Horizon gameplay which, while also being cross-gen, is universally accepted as a "nice-looking game".

Horizon looked good but i still find the flip flop in the media saying old gen is holding things back, but at the same time, cross gen are accepted on playstation with open arms and all the next gen talk vanished.

 

[Chukhopops]

I can only say - yes the presentation was "awful" but I, and many other Halo fans, were stoked for the gameplay and I would have *loved* to be able to play this game last Christmas :/

I think the only flaw of the presentation was to show a boring, slow segment instead of some action. It just encouraged people to focus on the graphics which to me don’t matter for Halo.

The idea of that graplin hook is really upsetting me for some reason. It began with sprint, than this weird dash and now a grappling hook. What comes next, a Halo Metroidvania where you play as Sam Aran and have to restore your Armor abilities? I liked Halo the old school way, ngl. I applaud them for trying out new stuff tho.

The dash and the Spartan dive were amazing in H5 imo, really added some mobility while keeping the Halo feel. The sprint is more debatable and looks more like a concession made to CoD gameplay (which permeates Halo 4 in an obvious way).

 

[DaGwaphics]

Hellblade 2 and Everwild seem to have been in development for ages, so there's no excuse with those. They should have something to show by now.

Wasn't HB2 in "very early development" in December 19? A year and a half isn't so long development wise today.

 

[Varteras]

Wasn't HB2 in "very early development" in December 19? A year and a half isn't so long development wise today.

Microsoft has owned Ninja Theory since 2018. They put out Bleeding Edge in 2020 and that did not go well at all. Supposedly it was done by a small team and was being worked on prior to the acquisition. Now they apparently are not only working on Hellblade 2 but Project Mara as well, which they announced in early 2020 as an experimental game. It's a studio of 120 people. At one point they apparently had three different projects at various stages of development. Seems to me like they spread themselves a bit thin. Thing is, most Xbox gamers really don't want anymore excuses at this point. You showed people a cinematic trailer for a game a year and a half ago and really nothing since. You've owned this studio for 3 years now and its first game under your ownership was a dud. It's time to give your players something to chew on and get excited about. Not anymore of this "just you wait and see"".

 

[Rickyiez]

- Project Omen (Dracula/Vampires New IP) by Arkane

Most interesting to me , after watching the Castlevania series I'm longing for some vampire themed games . It's probably just a pipedream but Omen huh .... Blood Omen ?

 

[DaGwaphics]

Microsoft has owned Ninja Theory since 2018. They put out Bleeding Edge in 2020 and that did not go well at all. Supposedly it was done by a small team and was being worked on prior to the acquisition. Now they apparently are not only working on Hellblade 2 but Project Mara as well, which they announced in early 2020 as an experimental game. It's a studio of 120 people. At one point they apparently had three different projects at various stages of development. Seems to me like they spread themselves a bit thin. Thing is, most Xbox gamers really don't want anymore excuses at this point. You showed people a cinematic trailer for a game a year and a half ago and really nothing since. You've owned this studio for 3 years now and its first game under your ownership was a dud. It's time to give your players something to chew on and get excited about. Not anymore of this "just you wait and see"".

If MS is guilty of anything it is just announcing upcoming projects too early. The devs don't really owe us anything, LOL.

How many years did Sony work on HFW before they ever even mentioned it, probably quite a few since HZD is already 5 years old.

 

[supernova8]

Microsoft has owned Ninja Theory since 2018. They put out Bleeding Edge in 2020 and that did not go well at all. Supposedly it was done by a small team and was being worked on prior to the acquisition. Now they apparently are not only working on Hellblade 2 but Project Mara as well, which they announced in early 2020 as an experimental game. It's a studio of 120 people. At one point they apparently had three different projects at various stages of development. Seems to me like they spread themselves a bit thin. Thing is, most Xbox gamers really don't want anymore excuses at this point. You showed people a cinematic trailer for a game a year and a half ago and really nothing since. You've owned this studio for 3 years now and its first game under your ownership was a dud. It's time to give your players something to chew on and get excited about. Not anymore of this "just you wait and see"".

Yep when I saw: "Ninja Theory announces Project Mara".

My reaction was:

"You've shown us next to nothing for Hellblade 2 and you're working on something else?!"

 

[Elder Legend]

don’t agree with not hard to top horizon. GG are at the top of their craft from a production standpoint. Topping that level of talent and resources is difficult, being next gen exclusive doesnt solve that

for instance my expectations are not nearly as high for Starfield, it’s just never been in Bethesda’s DNA to make something look like that, which is fine

I’m mostly wanting to see good looking and fun playing games but they don’t need to be earth shattering necessarily

ex: Returnal was fantastic but graphically it’s impressive but not necessarily UE5

Guerilla Games was always known for technical prowess and just visuals in general. They did it with Killzone 2, 3, Shadowfall and then Horizon.
Let's be real though... you know God of War Ragnarok and whatever Naughty Dog makes will just top everything else on the Sony platforms and beat Horizom Forbidden West.

As for Starfield, yeah I am not expecting much either in visuals department. Bethesda never really made or cared that much for graphics. The only good looking games Bethesda has last gen is DOOM Eternal and Wolfenstein 2 but those 2 were not made by Bethesda, just published so that's why.

On the Xbox side, I am expecting Fable to just be one of those drop dead gorgeous looking games. Fable was always a looker imo. It will be very interesting too see what they'll do with the ForzaTech on that game. This was confirmed that that's what they are using for Fable in case you weren't aware.

Forza Horizon 5 and 8 will also be very good looking games.

However, I still think Gran Turismo beats Forza Motorsport when it comes to car realism and accuracy.

 

[supernova8]

Horizon looked good but i still find the flip flop in the media saying old gen is holding things back, but at the same time, cross gen are accepted on playstation with open arms and all the next gen talk vanished.

I think it's something like "looks great but it's cross-gen, so imagine what it could've looked like"

Of course a good looking cross-gen game is better than a bad looking cross-gen game.

 

[deriks]

Sounds about right a new Wolfenstein, but I hope they fixed the issues

 

[Varteras]

If MS is guilty of anything it is just announcing upcoming projects too early. The devs don't really owe us anything, LOL.

How many years did Sony work on HFW before they ever even mentioned it, probably quite a few since HZD is already 5 years old.

The difference here is that Sony has been delivering games to its players. Microsoft has dropped the ball for quite a while now. This is less on individual developers and more on Microsoft as a whole. HZD is 4 years old and the size and scope of that franchise is much larger than Hellblade. Unless the next game is some big, open-world RPG which I seriously doubt. As I said, Microsoft has owned Ninja Theory for 3 years now and Bleeding Edge was in development by a small team at the studio prior to that. So they've had years to work on Hellblade 2 and yet they're also working on another project. If they don't have gameplay to show this year it's not a good look.

 

[Zeroing]

Of course we would have rumours and "leaks", we been having those for the last 2 months.
Sometimes I wonder if the xbox fans who do all that, realise, they are setting everyones expectations high, and that backfires making whatever Xbox do in reality seem "meh" or worsen.

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

I have read this every single pre E3 show from MS... yet each year they disappoint (hardcore fans not included)
The positive thing is somehow, they are still around. I cannot imagine any other company doing this every year without losing their hardcore fans....
For the rest of us gamers, we just want good reasons on why we should invest on that platform.

 

[Vestal]

I agree with the assessment of most regarding Microsoft and E3.. They cannot have another CGI filled Presentation. Ever since Phil took over the brand, they have slowly rebuilt the good will and hype around Xbox with some amazing offerings and a journey from the debacle that was Mattick leading the brand, to the release of the Series X under Phil. We have been patient and understanding regarding what was required to be done to turn the ship around. We have applauded the efforts in BC, Gamepass being the best value in gaming , the OneX's design and power along with the Series X design/power. We are now at a point in which the talk is over, BC/GP carried you through the last 3 years, but its time to put up or shut up.

We need gameplay and release dates. We need first party experiences that will knock our socks off with release dates attached to them. I think we as gamers have been pretty damn patient and understanding of the challenges that Phil and team faced trying to turn the ship around. But enough time has passed that we need to see the results of our patience and the effort by the teams at Microsoft.


My socks are on Microsoft, I eagerly await June 13th and expect you to knock them off.

 

[Varteras]

Horizon looked good but i still find the flip flop in the media saying old gen is holding things back, but at the same time, cross gen are accepted on playstation with open arms and all the next gen talk vanished.

The real issue there is that Series S is basically a last gen console that can sometimes do ray tracing. So while Sony first party will eventually get to a point where they make nothing but next gen games, Microsoft first party will always have to develop with Series S in mind. NX Gamer did a review on the HFW gameplay where he pointed out areas that are likely being held back because of PS4 where a PS5 only game wouldn't have that constraint. So it's not all roses. It's just that Guerrilla did a damn good job despite developing for lesser hardware. Doesn't change that it would have been better if it were PS5 only.

 

[DaGwaphics]

The real issue there is that Series S is basically a last gen console that can sometimes do ray tracing. So while Sony first party will eventually get to a point where they make nothing but next gen games, Microsoft first party will always have to develop with Series S in mind. NX Gamer did a review on the HFW gameplay where he pointed out areas that are likely being held back because of PS4 where a PS5 only game wouldn't have that constraint. So it's not all roses. It's just that Guerrilla did a damn good job despite developing for lesser hardware. Doesn't change that it would have been better if it were PS5 only.

Yep, because the biggest advancements with the new generation is the IO and CPU gains and then the XSS is sitting there, oh wait...

Couldn't help myself.

 

[spons]

E3 2021 is the one E3 where XBOX cannot afford to disappoint or make mistakes. They cannot afford another disaster like last year's Halo Infinite gameplay reveal debacle.

They have to SHOW everything they possibly can and pretty much blow everyone away.

It's a high bar, but I think they can do it. They don't really have a choice.

Just like the past 7 years or so? Whatever they're going to show, Xbox will keep chugging along for the next decade at least.

And what's with the people shitting on the Series S? That's one hell of a capable device. Yeah muh GPU horsepower and RAM bandwidth blabla. Shit's running at 1080p for most games. It's fine.

 

[oldergamer]

Yep when I saw: "Ninja Theory announces Project Mara".

My reaction was:

"You've shown us next to nothing for Hellblade 2 and you're working on something else?!"

Ninja theory expanded after the MS purchase and they have always had multiple teams.

 

[Varteras]

Yep, because the biggest advancements with the new generation is the IO and CPU gains and then the XSS is sitting there, oh wait...

Couldn't help myself.

I'm... really not sure where you're going with this.

 

[spons]

I'm... really not sure where you're going with this.

He's saying in a witty way that your comment on the S being last-gen is dumb as fuck.

 

[Varteras]

He's saying in a witty way that your comment on the S being last-gen is dumb as fuck.

I'm not sure that's witty but you seem awfully charming.

 

[Bojanglez]

I think someone needs to lookup the word fully.

 

[spons]

I'm not sure that's witty but you seem awfully charming.

You had your chance of fully explaining why you think the Series S is "last-gen", instead of just dumping that statement here and running away like we're on Twitter or something. For now I have to conclude your opinion sucks.

 

[reksveks]

Another game that needs a date

 

[3liteDragon]

What I'm hoping to see from Xbox at E3:

- Hellblade 2 gameplay running on Series X with a release date
- Forza Horizon 5 gameplay running on Series X with a release date
- Starfield reveal with gameplay running on Series X
- Microsoft Flight Simulator gameplay running on Series X with a release date
- Updates on Elder Scrolls 6, Avowed, Perfect Dark, and Fable
- Update on Project Mara
- IO Interactive Xbox exclusive reveal
- Update on the Minecraft DXR edition for Series X
- Update on Everwild
- Update on the Indiana Jones game

 

[Varteras]

You had your chance of fully explaining why you think the Series S is "last-gen", instead of just dumping that statement here and running away like we're on Twitter or something. For now I have to conclude your opinion sucks.

My chance? Someone is awfully full of themselves. The specs speak for themselves. I'm far from the only person who shares that opinion. Yeah the SSD and CPU are cool and all but that GPU? Ooof. A third the floating point performance of the Series X. Far fewer cores and a lower clock speed. Its RAM solution is also considerably weaker. 6 fewer gigs with a significantly lower bus and bandwidth. Sorry bud. You can slice it however you want. That box's overall performance makes it hardly any better than last gen. It's a weak variant that Microsoft's first party has to develop for every time.