ManaByte
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By that logic, the PS4 version of Miles doesn't work since they designed the transition from interiors to exteriors around the SSD.
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God of War Sequel and Gran Turismo 7 are Cross Generation Titles
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By that logic, the PS4 version of Miles doesn't work since they designed the transition from interiors to exteriors around the SSD.
DonJuanSchlong
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Zatzuken
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Yeah, GT7 will melt your eyeballs alright.
This is from the reveal trailer and I say it again... I am actually surprised that anyone believed that this wasn't a cross gen game. Low res textures, low poly trees and NPCs, no ambient occlusion... the grass/foliage is laughable. That scene from the reveal trailer (at 30 seconds mark btw) looks like a better PS3 game.
I just really hope they bring ps3 car numbers, but yea this shot says it all.
I love GT Games, but this was always a fleshed out GT Sport
bob_mugabe
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IntentionalPun
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I'm talking about a console releasing in 2020.
3D gaming was a paradigm shift that we haven't seen since... there are no paradigm shifts this generation. Faster I/O isn't a paradigm shift.. faster CPU isn't either.
Games also took a fraction of the time to develop decades ago.
They are taking longer and longer these days... longer than what games were taking to make the last generation change significantly.
Mario 64 took 1 year to design, then it took 15-20 people to make it over the course of 2 years.
Gaming has changed.. you guys comparing what happened nearly 30 years ago are.. I dunno.. out of touch.
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DonJuanSchlong
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Ps3 definitely had the quantity on cars, not sure why they didn't do as good on the amount of cars in the most recent iteration.
SafeOrAlone
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So you would say the PS5 SSD doesn't allow for experiences you can't get on PS4?
Pilgrimzero
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Cross gen and late. Less and less reason to get a PS5.
Papacheeks
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It's almost like you never played the original Spiderman on PS4 that has subway loading screens and loading screens for missions that are inside building and have loading screens when you go back out to the world. Also the amount of the world that is loaded is smaller in what the player can see at any given time. Lots of pop in of cars, people.
Go play miles morales and got to one of the tallest buildings then move the camera down and you can literally see the cars moving. You get those popping in like crazy as you get closer on PS4.
Go play spiderman ps4 then go play ps5.
Night and day. PS5 version feels like a PS5 version.
Sub_Level
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Fully expected & accepted that there would be a cross-gen period after PS5's launch. There always is.
But man this is getting to be a bit much. As a non-scalper who got a PS5 I'm wondering why I didn't just wait an extra couple years for a PS5 Pro. Sony bros...
But man this is getting to be a bit much. As a non-scalper who got a PS5 I'm wondering why I didn't just wait an extra couple years for a PS5 Pro. Sony bros...
Like what? "we believe in generations" that some are taking out of context? I didn't take that to mean no cross gen games ever. I in fact thought Ragnorok might even be DLC with the timing. They don't need to talk I'm getting PS5 only games and that's the reality of it.
assurdum
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Except the jump in hardware from their predecessors was astronomical, I think you are vastly overestimating the jump from the PS4 --> PS5. Its not nearly as drastic as SNES --> N64 (lol that shouldnt even need to be stated) or PS1 --> PS2.
Realistically speaking even though the PS4/Xbone CPUs sucked on arrival, the jump to PS5/SeX CPUs isn't that huge compared to previous gens, and on top of that they are trying to pump 4K visuals as opposed to 1080p. Its definitely not that unreasonable that cross-gen games could be made without sacrificing much with this gen. Granted the more involved games (like 128 Battlefield players) will definitely be possible only on next gen, but I highly doubt GOW was doing anything (even conceptually) that CPU intensive that required development on PS5. I think yall need to educate yourself a little more on the tech in these consoles and stop acting like console-warring/uninformed buffoons. Also cross-gen PS3/PS4 games existed even within Sony, did everyone just forget about Resogun and LBP3? That shit existed.
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SilentUser
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I'm a PS5 owner and in no way I'm upset by this. I don't know why fanboys are being so childish (as always, from all sides but for different reasons), I'm still going to play GoW, which is going to be a great title as usual, but with much better loadings, most likely 60fps, etc.
Just enjoy the damn games
Just enjoy the damn games
DigitalScrap
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El Pistolero
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Really? You think that they started out as PS5 exclusives and got re-worked to release on PS4 around a year or so ago? Where is that clown GIF when you need one?
Yoboman
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I’m hoping that was a misunderstanding - like “we COULD look at GT7 and GOW” because it’s a very strange way to announce this
Not fussed on GT7, being able to get to a bigger userbase is probably a bit advantage considering it will have a focus in multiplayer
But GOW is the game that needs to be a showcase must buy a PS5 for this game type of deal. And one that could massively benefit from being detached from last gen limitations. Horizon should be too but failing that - GOW will be the big game for them for the next few years with Naughty Dog and Suckerpunch unlikely to show up until at earliest 2023 but more likely 2024
My concern as well is that they are just putting more strain on the developers. Is the delay because Sony decided they need a PS4 version as well? Those resources they now need to put into a PS4 version could have been spent on more bosses, more areas etc.
Not fussed on GT7, being able to get to a bigger userbase is probably a bit advantage considering it will have a focus in multiplayer
But GOW is the game that needs to be a showcase must buy a PS5 for this game type of deal. And one that could massively benefit from being detached from last gen limitations. Horizon should be too but failing that - GOW will be the big game for them for the next few years with Naughty Dog and Suckerpunch unlikely to show up until at earliest 2023 but more likely 2024
My concern as well is that they are just putting more strain on the developers. Is the delay because Sony decided they need a PS4 version as well? Those resources they now need to put into a PS4 version could have been spent on more bosses, more areas etc.
JackMcGunns
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You're missing the point. Xbox had the same messaging, the new Xbox Series X also supports cool new features like Quick Resume, Optimized loading and updates visuals and 120FPS games, in addition to also supporting Xbox One, Xbox One X and Series S. People were disappointed when MS said they will continue to support the previous gen and at the same time interviewed Sony and specifically asked if they were moving on to PS5 or if they would also employ the same strategy as Xbox.
Answering "We believe in generations" is an evasion tactic that
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ManaByte
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I Platinumed both Spider-Man and Miles (Remastered transfers over your PS4 save/trophies):
Umbasaborne
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People dont realize that this means that the games are designed with the ps4’s limitations in mind :/ so in god of war, prepare for small coridored off areas, no real fast travel, again. And lots of loading hall ways and crawl spaces. ThTs why this is a bummer. It also means we wont get a god of war or horizon game that takes advantage of the ps5’s hardware until like 2025 or 6 when the ps5 pro will be launching
SafeOrAlone
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No one took that out of context. There is a video with the banner "PS5 Exclusive" that features God of War in it. There is no way around it. But Jim Ryan knew what he was implying anyway, so most would hold him to that statement, regardless.
And yes, they also lied about the release date. They didn't suddenly realize the game wasn't going to make the 2021 release date. Everyone and their mother knew the moment it was announced. It's totally lame, but feel free to defend it.
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Papacheeks
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it was never promised for 2021. They gave a vague 2021 teaser for gow without showing anything. This happened to Uncharted 4 as well. I mean we are getting another Horizonn this year, and that game started a little after original shipped. ANd that was 3-4 years. GOW was 2018. So do give us another WOW moment when they show it, im all for them taking their time.
Not like we wont have stuff to play. We eating good this year already.
I Platinumed both Spider-Man and Miles (Remastered transfers over your PS4 save/trophies):
Hats off to you my friend. I imported mine and fully played and beat everything. I'm lacking a couple of the random crime tokens, and a couple of those challenge missions that are super annoying.
But anyway PS4-PS5 is night and day. No subway loading, no mid level loading, more density, more cars, more people on the streets. It';s like a different game.
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SafeOrAlone
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I Platinumed both Spider-Man and Miles (Remastered transfers over your PS4 save/trophies):
Yeah, but reply to my post about the SSD.
assurdum
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Maybe it's better not use MS messaging has example of something of more clear and honest. Especially looking at their continuous backpedaling.You're missing the point. Xbox had the same messaging, the new Xbox Series X also supports cool new features like Quick Resume, Optimized loading and updates visuals and 120FPS games, in addition to also supporting Xbox One, Xbox One X and Series S. People were disappointed when MS said they will continue to support the previous gen and at the same time interviewed Sony and specifically asked if they were moving on to PS5 or if they would also employ the same strategy as Xbox.
Answering "We believe in generations" is an evasion tactic that
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Two seconds left before the Riky gif reaction.
Gotcha.
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IntentionalPun
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People really didn't read the Jim Ryan "we believe in generations" interview.
Here's a snippet:
www.gamesindustry.biz
This is what he said after the infamous "We believe in generations" quote:
He clearly said they plan on supporting PS4 for a couple of years.. he indicated they ALSO want to focus on things only possible on PS5.. that could include just using the Dual Sense controller and/or 3D audio, which cross gen games certainly will.
We even have cross-gen games utilizing the SSD well like MIles Morales.
And some next-gen only games like Ratchet with a level design only feasibly on SSD.
It's a mix.. like they said it was going to be.
And the games at this point.. appear to be pretty fucking great, including cross-gen Horizon. And it will likely have features that can "only be enjoyed on PS5" like Ryan said.
Here's a snippet:
Sony's Jim Ryan: “We are going to launch PS5 this holiday and we're going to launch globally"
"A great deal has happened since we last spoke. Terrible things happening in the world, which puts everything that you …
www.gamesindustry.biz
This is what he said after the infamous "We believe in generations" quote:
He clearly said they plan on supporting PS4 for a couple of years.. he indicated they ALSO want to focus on things only possible on PS5.. that could include just using the Dual Sense controller and/or 3D audio, which cross gen games certainly will.
We even have cross-gen games utilizing the SSD well like MIles Morales.
And some next-gen only games like Ratchet with a level design only feasibly on SSD.
It's a mix.. like they said it was going to be.
And the games at this point.. appear to be pretty fucking great, including cross-gen Horizon. And it will likely have features that can "only be enjoyed on PS5" like Ryan said.
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CamHostage
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So, possibility #1 is, they lied, and GT7 was always going to be a PS5 exclusive. That sucks.
But possibility #2 is, in working on the project over the past year since we saw it, they re-evaluated the project and determined that a PS4 version could be produced as well (possibly with hiring a contract/subteam to do the porting,) and that financially, it has to be done one way or another since the market has had a tough year. So take out RT, create bakes of some of the light sources that was realtime GI, process a lower set of models, make some loading screens since you're going to need those now, and get to work porting down.
All we know is that a PS4 version exists. Everything about that version, and its impact on the PS5 version production, is speculation.
Your imagination cannot tell you what a true PS5 only AAA heavy bitter would look like either. You're making up a version of Horizon where the leaves are super-next-gen and you can just jump on a flying beast to go wherever you want on the map (which A. would be a mess for level design if flight was just ever-present because PS5 could do it, but also, they should be able to do flight even on PS4.) You'd be hard-pressed to name another game on another platform or on PS5 that is showing Horizon FW to be dated technology.
The actual game engine does what it does based on a decade+ of work at Guerrilla, with or without the existence of PS5, and the improvements they make for it in future Decima projects will be less about "the power of PS5" and more about just having more simulation algorithms to integrated into its toolkit. Decima is not a PS4 or PS5 engine, just like Unreal Engine 5 is not a next-gen engine or a past-gen engine or a mobile/Switch engine; it is an engine to make games, period.
I want to see something that cannot be done on PS4 too, but technology that really harnesses the power of these consoles in unheard-of ways is not on the market yet. We don't even know what those unheard-of ways are, even, if/when they ever do exist. UE5 is not done, and it will still have its drawbacks and "cross-gen qualities" when it deploys (and not just in cross-gen UE5 games, which will also exist; Nanite itself has distinct limitations that will make it not useable in circumstances and Lumen isn't a canopener either, so shiny new UE5 games will still mix regular models and baked lighting and you'll probably never notice the difference.) R&C Rift Apart is great and uses the SSD in a genius way, but it uses a lot of tech from Spider-Man MM so we're demanding new engines to qualify as next-gen, that game is out because it's "using a cross-gen engine." Then there's Returnal and Demon's Souls and All-Star Destruction and The Medium... those games aren't on past-gen, so they are what we have to go off of as far as "game design around CPU and SSD of [next-gen]", but you tell me, are they really what you were imagining when you close your eyes and dream about what next-gen is supposed to look like? Do you think those games all make TLoU2 or Ghost of Tsushima look dated?
Point is, what we're seeing on the market and coming up, that is next-gen right now. It'll get better, but I don't think it's the past that's holding us up. It's just really hard to do things that have never been done before, even with better hardware to do it with.
Skifi28
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Stop reading please. Just reply "we believe in generations" like everyone else.People really didn't read the Jim Ryan "we believe in generations" interview.
Here's a snippet:
Sony's Jim Ryan: “We are going to launch PS5 this holiday and we're going to launch globally"
"A great deal has happened since we last spoke. Terrible things happening in the world, which puts everything that you …
This is what he said after the infamous "We believe in generations" quote:
He clearly said they plan on supporting PS4 for a couple of years.. he indicated they ALSO want to focus on things only possible on PS5.. that could include just using the Dual Sense controller and/or 3D audio, which cross gen games certainly will.
We even have cross-gen games utilizing the SSD well like MIles Morales.
And some next-gen only games like Ratchet with a level design only feasibly on SSD.
It's a mix.. like they said it was going to be.
And the games at this point.. appear to be pretty fucking great, including cross-gen Horizon. And it will likely have features that can "only be enjoyed on PS5" like Ryan said.
assurdum
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But expectable. PS4 will end to sell around 130 millions of console, no way Sony will abandon such userbase for the first 2 years.
DeepEnigma
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SafeOrAlone
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These freakin "It's BUSINESS, guys" posts have me cracking up. It's like some desperate attempt to quiet the discussion while appearing like you know something extra about how the world works.
We all know it's business. It's just shit business.
We all know it's business. It's just shit business.
VFXVeteran
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Yes. This has been the case all along. I don't understand why people are so hung up. Graphics engines are extremely scalable (or should be). Just because they make a PS4 version with similar technology doesn't mean they are hampered by it. This is exactly the case for the PC version of multiplatform games. God of War is still going to look amazing so not sure why people are trying to armchair develop these game engines.
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Dr Bass
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I wonder at what point game creators think "this just isn't worth it" and go do something else. The navel gazing entitlement and rage issues in the community when we are in the midst of the some of the most incredible pieces of playable software across every platform in existence (even Switch!) astounds me. What do you people want?
SafeOrAlone
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Wait, we only bought new consoles for the graphical power?
Well then hold the phone and forget everything I said!
sncvsrtoip
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I would say it opposite, gow will still probably looks great as new horizon as I can't see this game very cpu heavy but racing game are just different thing, cpu is very important and weak ps4 tablet cpu will be a problem (now I'm sure we just get gt sport with more content higher resolution and rt that change very little)
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sncvsrtoip
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not true for racing game, acc on consoles is joke comparing to pc version, cpu is just so important
Seriously, what makes Returnal unable to run on a PS4?
assurdum
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Shit business? It's not because you don't like crossgen titles it's shit business.
Yoboman
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Herman and Ryan speak like politicians, rather than just being frank like Sony were during early PS4People really didn't read the Jim Ryan "we believe in generations" interview.
Here's a snippet:
Sony's Jim Ryan: “We are going to launch PS5 this holiday and we're going to launch globally"
"A great deal has happened since we last spoke. Terrible things happening in the world, which puts everything that you …
This is what he said after the infamous "We believe in generations" quote:
He clearly said they plan on supporting PS4 for a couple of years.. he indicated they ALSO want to focus on things only possible on PS5.. that could include just using the Dual Sense controller and/or 3D audio, which cross gen games certainly will.
We even have cross-gen games utilizing the SSD well like MIles Morales.
And some next-gen only games like Ratchet with a level design only feasibly on SSD.
It's a mix.. like they said it was going to be.
And the games at this point.. appear to be pretty fucking great, including cross-gen Horizon. And it will likely have features that can "only be enjoyed on PS5" like Ryan said.
Nobody would have cared if they came out early and said “we will have a mix of exclusives and cross gen games”.
In fact I’d say they have been purposefully vague and misleading to the point that they even confuse themselves internally and have made multiple mistakes on their splash screens with al the “PS5 exclusive”, “console exclusive” etc rubbish
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Yup, I dont think its a coincidence that the games that are Cross Gen are the games that are getting delayed.
SafeOrAlone
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Cross-gen is okay. Pretending you're not isn't.
Two years in cross-gen is shaky but that's not the heart of the issue.
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These games have been in development for years. They are starting from PS4 and porting up to PS5.
Plus these games must run on the PS4's Jaguar cores so going from PS5 to PS4 would be a ton more work involved.
Banjo64
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StreetsofBeige
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That's marketing for ya.
The funny thing is next gen consoles are so short in supply Sony would sell out every system anyway no matter if the games are stated as cross gen or not.
It's not like were in a make or break time where there tons of consoles on shelves and every marketing tactic you do (like BS PS5 exclusive claims) will move the needle for a guy on the fence standing at Walmart and seeing a shelf full of PS5s or shelves full of PS4 or Xboxes and it was the deciding factor.
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The Hamburglar
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This straight up fud is getting embarrassing . The Jim Ryan quote full quote has been posted many times now.
sunnysideup
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Sony is selling their future for current profits.
If all games are aviable in better form on pc and in playable form on older consoles. Ps5 adoption is going to take a hit in the long run.
Playstation future is looking more and more like current xbox.
If all games are aviable in better form on pc and in playable form on older consoles. Ps5 adoption is going to take a hit in the long run.
Playstation future is looking more and more like current xbox.
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