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[Shane89]

stop crying

 

[bender]

Rivet was incredibly endearing and the game was great fun........ what would have resulted from this guys politics is a more boring character design that people simply wouldn't have cared about as much.
In fact people would instantly see through that decision and it would turn them right off the game.

His second paragraph is total crap... I have not seen one negative result from Rivet being designed the way she is. In fact it's been overwhelmingly positive and a mindset like the guy above stigmatizes and shames girls with feminine figures....... will he be only happy when girls are having operations to look less curvy to fit his ideology?

He is either an extreme attention seeker or a moron.

I *think* his design concept won out which is why she doesn't have large hips or larger breast features.

 

[kyliethicc]

 

[SSfox]

I'm starting to get really tired about western gaming industry, hopefully Santa Monica and Rockstar won't get hit by this trash nonsens.

 

[Punished Miku]

Rivet barely even looks like a girl. She looks almost exactly like a clone of Ratchet lol. Even this was too feminine for these people.

If you guys ever doubted that western gender extremists are out to purposefully make their female characters ugly, then just take a moment to think about how nuts this is.

Aloy was not so lucky I guess.

 

[CitizenZ]

 

[SlimySnake]

Funny you should say that.

He was looking forward to Rivet's cosplay just last year....



Definitely a furry.

The guy involved is a furry I think.

See above. Definitely a furry.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Oh no… what will I fantasize about now. Why couldnt all women breathe through their skin.

Atleast I can still jerk off to Kratos.

 

[Lethal01]

Tities no no

Tities vewy scary

Okay now hold on a second, I know this dude and he will fight to make characters sexy and think that developers aren't smart if they aren't considering sex appeal atleast for marketing reasons.

So for the least let's not make him out to be a prude. The train of thought was probably more about making her only look as human as ratchet instead of making her look more human than him just so she could be sexy.

 

[CapnAmaricrunch]

Rivet's a chic?

 

[Hawke502]

I'm starting to get really tired about western gaming industry, hopefully Santa Monica and Rockstar won't get hit by this trash nonsens.

Isn't Santa Monica located in Cali? They were already hit by this point, dude.

 

[bender]

Now I'm confused. Sexualized designs cause others harm but isn't a "furry awakening" sexualization?

Still better than FFX I guess.

 

[Nobody_Important]

See above. Definitely a furry.

Yeah that tweet. I knew I saw it somewhere.

 

[Bryank75]

As much as I liked Rivet, I cant help but think that politics kept the story from being a bit more interesting. There was a pretty surprising lack of chemistry between Ratchet and Rivet. They were kept apart for pretty much the entire game for some bizarre reason. It's almost like they didnt even want any kind of sexual tension building between the two of them despite the two literally being the only remaining people of their species.

What's bizarre is that Disney cartoons have had romance since forever. Cindrella, Sleeping Beauty, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Lion king, Aladdin, etc. If Disney didnt shy from romance in the fucking 50s then why are video game developers creating asexual characters in 2021? The story felt very stale and I think a bit part of that is because these characters werent allowed to interact with each other.

There is likely a lot of ideas stifled by attitudes and people like the one featured in your OP.

 

[djkimothy]

Airing your minor squabbles for all to see on twitter damages any chance of your getting any sort of meaningful job in the future.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Chinese weeb save the day.

 

[LordCBH]

This dude sounds like a goddamn pussy.

 

[Yoboman]

Im sorry but are women actually asking for female characters to look masculine?

Why do they think women don't want characters that show femininity?

These guys think they are being "allies" but are just constantly in the wrong.

 

[Kerlurk]

nvm

 

[Hawke502]

There's something strange with these people. Why shouldn't a character look feminine? Is that somehow a detriment? One could characterize this type of behaviour as discrimination.

 

[nowhat]

Funny you should say that.

He was looking forward to Rivet's cosplay just last year....



Definitely a furry.

The "triggered" emoji isn't enough. We really need an "ewwww" one as well.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Beard and glasses
Twitter fanatic
Furry creep
Pronouns in bio
Not worth anyones time

 

[SlimySnake]

I *think* his design concept won out which is why she doesn't have large hips or larger breast features.

Definitely a possibility which makes this guy bitching about it all the more weird. They LISTENED to him and incorporated his suggestions at the end. So how is the sexist or toxic?

I think the fact that this argument is taking place is pretty much the reason why the industry is in such a disarray at the moment. Why is the director being overruled? Why is the director having to explain himself to writers and artists? Their job is to do what he wants them to do. I cant imagine fucking Stanley Kubrick arguing with the fucking prop guys for half an hour. No it's HIS movie and everyone is there to help him achieve HIS vision.

I say no more meetings. Make fast decisions. There is way too much collaboration taking place in this industry. It is costing precious dev time because apparently everything needs a brainstorming session. No wonder everything is getting delayed.

There is a reason why Kojima put out a brand new IP in 3 years while hiring staff and literally building his own studio with just 80 people while 300 people studios over at Sony are struggling to get sequels out in less than 5 years. Director = Dictatorship. Games industry needs to adopt this mentality.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Not butch enough?

 

[Punished Miku]

Im sorry but are women actually asking for female characters to look masculine?

Why do they think women don't want characters that show femininity?

These guys think they are being "allies" but are just constantly in the wrong.

nah, they're listening to WAP.

It's mostly men who think this way.

 

[Deaconstanjesusman]

It’s a character you control. Who the hell cares. Twitter is for far left and far right leaning idiots. Congratulations for standing up for woman’s rights by saying a female character can’t look female. Great stuff.
Now if someone would create a game that reflects the real world and the male character is taller, stronger and can dissipate enemies with ease and the female character is smaller, weaker and has a tougher time with enemies. I would join Twitter just to read all the outrage

 

[kyussman]

Since when did a female having tits and hips become stereotypical......that's what women look like,it's called biology.....fuck me,lol.

 

[Aion002]

I will never understand why some are so afraid of tits and ass...

Chinese weeb save the day.

And for free!

Tech otakus indeed saves the world!

 

[Marvel]

Fucking loser.

 

[Punished Miku]

it's called biology.

And there is exactly the problem. Biology is not something people want to acknowledge in some circles right now.

 

[Coolwhhip]

This is the problem with the internet really, people like THIS can be the center of attention. It's just wrong. So wrong.

 

[bitbydeath]

Why would they then turn around and go with this design?

Good method to weed out the problematic employees.

 

[SirTerry-T]

Ratchet's Game Director and Art Director wanted Rivet to look feminine. This guy and two others did not. Sounds like any other workplace disagreement but the fact that he publicly throws his bosses under the bus just rubs me the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with what they did. They are the directors. It's THEIR game, but this guy is making it sound like they were sexist and blatantly uses the Blizzard Activision sexual harassments lawsuits to make a point that there are other types of sexual discrimination taking place in the industry that we dont know about. As if making a female character feminine will somehow lead to hostile workplace environments and sexual harassments of women.












Pretty shameful stuff. This is why devs shouldnt even worry about female characters imo. You will never please these idiots.

That last quote is something. No, putting tits on rivet harms no one. If you are taking offense to it, you have other issues that you need to get sorted out.

This is the same fucker who tried to get his day in the sun a few years back by giving a female 3d artist shit for some of her character work. The fella's a twat, don't dignify his silly little opinions with a response.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Im sorry but are women actually asking for female characters to look masculine?

Why do they think women don't want characters that show femininity?

These guys think they are being "allies" but are just constantly in the wrong.

I don't think really think normal women would want that, or would care about it.

I recently watched the new space jam movie with the wife (we're in our mid/late 20s) and she complained about how they basically made one of her favorite characters from her childhood (lola bunny) into what basically in her words looks like bugs bunny's little brother lol.


These people online have warped opinions on what "normal" is so I'm not surprised anyhow.

 

[McCheese]

I am blocked on Twitter by him

Same, I guess we did something right and didn't even notice.

 

[HTK]

That guy is an idiot. Strikes me as a man child that doesn't know how to behave around adults.

 

[ManaByte]

Looks like a mod application for Era.

 

[Mister Wolf]

And there is exactly the problem. Biology is not something people want to acknowledge in some circles right now.

I'm just glad we acknowledge it here.

 

[Jaybe]

This guy realllly wants to work at Naughty Dog

 

[Yoboman]

The "triggered" emoji isn't enough. We really need an "ewwww" one as well.

 

[Clintizzle]

America is pretty frustrating hey.

 

[N1tr0sOx1d3]

I’ve never seen so much hotness in one post…..

 

[junguler]

disclaimer: nobody was harmed during this throwing of people under a bus.

 

[kretos]

Atleast I can still jerk off to Kratos.

 

[Yoboman]

Since when did a female having tits and hips become stereotypical......that's what women look like,it's called biology.....fuck me,lol.

Seriously its like they are saying women with hips and tits aren't women lol

 

[bender]

Definitely a possibility which makes this guy bitching about it all the more weird. They LISTENED to him and incorporated his suggestions at the end. So how is the sexist or toxic?

Like a lot of Twitter/Social Media it is just performative and looking for ass pats. He also seems to be hypocritical with his "furry awakening" comments.

 

[CaptainConlock]

So the art director is a furry? Alright.

 

[Coolwhhip]

Insomniac seems to employ a lot of soy boy beta cucks. There was that weasel crying about his 'white privilige' a while ago too.

 

[The Pleasure]

Tities no no

Tities vewy scary

Your avatar is a casual tities enjoyer.

 

[Braag]

I remember her looking almost same as Ratchet. I had to google Rivet to make sure I'm not crazy, Rivet looks almost identical to Ratchet except for thinner eyebrows and a little bit of hair.