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[Sir_Teraflop]

Yeah, Sony was forced because Xbox was kicking their ass. Gtfo here, lmao

Well ask your buddy Shawn about AAA games not being viable and expensive. He probably knows something (about Sony).

Xbox is about to throw like tens of AAA games being viable on Gamepass.

GTFO and pay full price.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Well ask your buddy Shawn about AAA games not being viable and expensive. He probably knows something (about Sony).

Xbox is about to throw like tens of AAA games being viable on Gamepass.

GTFO and pay full price.

Wake me up when those "tens of AAA" games are all available on GP. So far there are a few, old ass games. I will pay full price and get what I want, your cheap ass can let them feed you the shit they want, it's all fine.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

Wake me up when those "tens of AAA" games are all available on GP. So far there are a few, old ass games. I will pay full price and get what I want, your cheap ass can let them feed you the shit they want, it's all fine.

LOL do you even game pass bro?

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

LOL do you even game pass bro?

No, there's nothing there for me to play. Oh, and Shawn (Layden) he's the one who can't shut up about Subscription services not going anywhere so you may want to get your facts checked, lol.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

No, there's nothing there for me to play. Oh, and Shawn (Layden) he's the one who can't shut up about Subscription services not going anywhere so you may want to get your facts checked, lol.

Well you should check where Shawn is employed atm...

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Well you should check where Shawn is employed atm...

Why do you think I care? Do you care? What's so special about Game Pass? I know it's about to get Halo and Forza H5. I don't give a damn about Halo or FPS as a genre. Why should I subscribe? To play what, exactly? If I was so into arcade racing I'd buy Forza H5 day one and that's it. If I was just curious I would sub for a month, try it out a bit, and probably check some other game and that's it. Why stay subbed? Not for me.

 

[PuffyCan]

Why do you think I care? Do you care? What's so special about Game Pass? I know it's about to get Halo and Forza H5. I don't give a damn about Halo or FPS as a genre. Why should I subscribe? To play what, exactly? If I was so into arcade racing I'd buy Forza H5 day one and that's it. If I was just curious I would sub for a month, try it out a bit, and probably check some other game and that's it. Why stay subbed? Not for me.

To discover games? If it wasn't for gamepass, I wouldn't have tried prey, nier:automata, yakuza:lad, and maybe hades, the ascent, psychonauts 2. On top of that I bought forza 7 because I tried it before it was delisted and I didn't care for the series since fm 3.

GoW: hivebusters was a nice bonus and gave me faith un the next game.

Found lots of gems like those in the past months and will find more in the coming months. It may not be for you but there are plenty of reasons to stay subbed.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

Why do you think I care? Do you care? What's so special about Game Pass? I know it's about to get Halo and Forza H5. I don't give a damn about Halo or FPS as a genre. Why should I subscribe? To play what, exactly? If I was so into arcade racing I'd buy Forza H5 day one and that's it. If I was just curious I would sub for a month, try it out a bit, and probably check some other game and that's it. Why stay subbed? Not for me.

Then why i would care for the next cinematic cross gen over the shoulder cinematic adventure from sony that is cross gen and remastered and remade? See? It goes both ways. What would i play and pay premium on top.

Your are not a gamer not finding anything to play on game pass the likes of the ascent, outriders etc.

I know you prefer to pay for your games while having worse performance having to deal with saves due to different SKU's, releases etc. I get it.

It's your prerogative to pay for games you probably wouldn't buy and won't play while having a refund system as fucked as Sony's.

Be my guest. Your problem.

Certainly not mine.

You are the customer.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

To discover games? If it wasn't for gamepass, I wouldn't have tried prey, nier:automata, yakuza:lad, and maybe hades, the ascent, psychonauts 2. On top of that I bought forza 7 because I tried it before it was delisted and I didn't care for the series since fm 3.

GoW: hivebusters was a nice bonus and gave me faith un the next game.

Found lots of gems like those in the past months and will find more in the coming months. It may not be for you but there are plenty of reasons to stay subbed.

I discover enough games through PS Plus. It's way cheaper and it's a good complement. They don't leave my library ever and it's quite the backlog. I usually pay $30-$35 for whole year of Plus. I won't pay $10 to play an indie or whatever here and there. My time is limited too, I buy games I invest plenty of time on and that's more than enough gaming for me.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

I discover enough games through PS Plus. It's way cheaper and it's a good complement. They don't leave my library ever and it's quite the backlog. I usually pay $30-$35 for whole year of Plus. I won't pay $10 to play an indie or whatever here and there. My time is limited too, I buy games I invest plenty of time on and that's more than enough gaming for me.

same can be said with Games with Gold - which is the superior service giving you games for ever (bc games) and 2 games in the service as is it is while you pay.

Not sure if your are trolling now.

So no you don't discover shit in PS+ especially compared to Game Pass with over 500 hundred titles between ΧΒΟΧ/PC/MOBILE

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Then why i would care for the next cinematic cross gen over the shoulder cinematic adventure from sony that is cross gen and remastered and remade? See? It goes both ways. What would i play and pay premium on top.

Your are not a gamer not finding anything to play on game pass the likes of the ascent, outriders etc.

I know you prefer to pay for your games while having worse performance having to deal with saves due to different SKU's, releases etc. I get it.

It's your prerogative to pay for games you probably wouldn't buy and won't play while having a refund system as fucked as Sony's.

Be my guest. Your problem.

Certainly not mine.

You are the customer.

It's your prerogative to skip the best games and dismiss them as all being " over the shoulder cinematic adventures". Keep playing less great games, and NEVER playing the best games instead pay $15 a month to play mostly shit. You're laughable. You're the one content with the lesser library. In a year you spend US$180 to play a couple of decent games and indies and you never own anything and they get taken off the service as well. Suit yourself. That's not for me.

 

[Hezekiah]

Is it EVER going to be profitable!

Dunno, but I'm subscribing for £1 when I have some time off work next month so I can play Psychonauts and Wasteland.

Gotta make the most of it while I can .

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

same can be said with Games with Gold - which is the superior service giving you games for ever (bc games) and 2 games in the service as is it is while you pay.

Not sure if your are trolling now.

So no you don't discover shit in PS+ especially compared to Game Pass with over 500 hundred titles between ΧΒΟΧ/PC/MOBILE

Games with Gold? ROTFLMAO.
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Dude I don't care for Game Pass. Get that shit out of here. I explained in detail to you why it doesn't appeal to me. You know there are millions of Xbox AND PC players who don't give a fuck about Game Pass right? Or they would have at least like 40 million subscribers by now. Instead they barely have like 20 million and millions of those are cheap ass $1 and $5 subscribers like you probably are! Lmao

 

[Hezekiah]

You mean physical game sales in the UK? lol

Oh goody, another concerned gamer about how the poor ol' Xbox division is going to pay the costs of their new employees lol.

Game Pass doesn't discourage buying games. Stop spreading that FUD. 99% of games don't release on game pass. Do you honestly think that xbox owners have just decided they don't want to play 99% of games that release, they just want to play the 4 games or so a month that get added to game pass? You're either trolling or are just plain dumb.

Xbox make more money from their user base than Sony do from theirs comparatively btw.

We only have revenue numbers - $15bn Vs $25bn. Unless you have profit margins for the Xbox division?

Also doesn't their Personal Computing segment include PC gaming, so how is this calculated?

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Dunno, but I'm subscribing for £1 when I have some time off work next month so I can play Psychonauts and Wasteland.

Gotta make the most of it while I can .

For example this guy...lmao

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

It's your prerogative to skip the best games and dismiss them as all being " over the shoulder cinematic adventures". Keep playing less games, and NEVER playing the best games instead pay $15 a month to play mostly shit. You're laughable. You're the one content with the lesser library. In a year you spend US$180 to play a couple of decent games and indies and you never own anything and they get taken off the service as well. Suit yourself. That's not for me.

Games with Gold? ROTFLMAO.
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Dude I don't care for Game Pass. Get that shit out of here. I explained in detail to you why it doesn't appeal to me. You know there are millions of Xbox AND PC players who don't give a fuck about Game Pass right? Or they would have at least like 40 million subscribers by now. Instead they barely have like 20 million and millions of those are cheap ass $1 and $5 subscribers like you probably are! Lmao

YEA those games which get fps boost/auto HDR and res boost - essentially remastered without having to pay a dime.

I know it hurts having to pay 10$ for it.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

For example this guy...lmao

as if gow of war doesn't cost zero to 10$ in the bargain bin. Yey

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

as if gow of war doesn't cost zero to 10$ in the bargain bin. Yey

Lmao. It's on PS+ for PS5 since November 2020 (can be played on PS4 too of course). I'm outta here, got tired of whooping your cheap gamepass ass all over the place. Have fun!

 

[dcmk7]

essentially remastered without having to pay a dime.

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

Lmao. It's on PS+ for PS5 since November 2020 (can be played on PS4 too of course). I'm outta here, got tired of whooping your cheap gamepass ass all over the place. H

Have fun m8. MS will acquire alot more studios soon and i feel you.

Will play all those great games day one with game pass and you will be scrabbling for sales and or ebay.

Sounds great for both of us. Cheers

 

[Sir_Teraflop]

'Red Dead Redemption' Raises The Bar For Xbox One X Enhanced Xbox 360 Games

Xbox's backwards comparability program strikes gold with 'Red Dead Redemption'.

www.forbes.com

'Red Dead Redemption' Raises The Bar For Xbox One X Enhanced Xbox 360 Games

Xbox's backwards comparability program strikes gold with 'Red Dead Redemption'.

www.forbes.com

Be my guest for GoT Director's Cut lol....

 

[Hezekiah]

Game pass by itself will likely never be "profitable", but that's OK because it's no meant to be. It's designed to get people into the ecosystem on a recurring revenue basis, and then also bring in money from the subscribers via dlc, microtransactions, and the 30% cut from them buying games in the ecosystem. It's a loss leader, intentionally.

It's like a console in a way - sold at a loss to make money in software and accessory sales after the sale.

How it has been available for this long and people on here and Twitter still can't get this through their thick heads is amazing.

During their time on sale, consoles generally make money on each unit sold for far longer than they lose it .

The PS4 and Switch have been making plenty for several years now.

 

[GHG]

This thread right now...

 

[dcmk7]

'Red Dead Redemption' Raises The Bar For Xbox One X Enhanced Xbox 360 Games

Xbox's backwards comparability program strikes gold with 'Red Dead Redemption'.

www.forbes.com

Be my guest for GoT Director's Cut lol....

From the article you quoted:

With one exception, the resolution upgrade is the only difference between the original and enhanced versions of most Xbox 360 games.

How is that 'essentially remastered'?

Texture assets, shadow maps, LODS, draw distance, effects and more are the same.

 

[Shmunter]

You mean physical game sales in the UK? lol

Oh goody, another concerned gamer about how the poor ol' Xbox division is going to pay the costs of their new employees lol.

Game Pass doesn't discourage buying games. Stop spreading that FUD. 99% of games don't release on game pass. Do you honestly think that xbox owners have just decided they don't want to play 99% of games that release, they just want to play the 4 games or so a month that get added to game pass? You're either trolling or are just plain dumb.

Xbox make more money from their user base than Sony do from theirs comparatively btw.

Sorry that doesn’t make sense. If you have plenty on your plate, it certainly does discourage buying more - even those that are not part of the smorgasbord. Can’t deny basic psychology.

That’s not even restricted to gamepass, plenty of people hesitate on pulling the trigger on a game because it may come to psplus for example. Gamepass is just a turbo charged, steroid version of it all.

 

[bender]

If it wasn't for gamepass, I wouldn't have tried prey, nier:automata, yakuza:lad,

 

[PuffyCan]

You don't have to tell me how I would have missed a really good game, really glad game pass allowed me to experience this

 

[bender]

You don't have to tell me how I would have missed a really good game, really glad game pass allowed me to experience this

 

[GHG]

You don't have to tell me how I would have missed a really good game, really glad game pass allowed me to experience this

Look, it's great that the service has allowed you to "discover" those games but if you're ignoring games like that (or worse, haven't heard about them) then it begs the question...

Hopefully it's teaching you to broaden your horizons.

 

[bender]

Look, it's great that the service has allowed you to "discover" those games but if you're ignoring games like that (or worse, haven't heard about them) then it begs the question...

Hopefully it's teaching you to broaden your horizons.

The only acceptable excuse is that it is an affordability issue.

 

[Ol'Scratch]

COnsidering most of the Xbox users at the other place and many here are eating big on that pricing thing where you can get months and months for really cheap I am not surprised.

 

[yazenov]

Look, it's great that the service has allowed you to "discover" those games but if you're ignoring games like that (or worse, haven't heard about them) then it begs the question...

Hopefully it's teaching you to broaden your horizons.

Its probably more to do with games coming to their platform of choice rather than Gamepass.

I mean, Yakuza was exclusively to PS, then ported to PC later. It never was on the Xbox. Neir Automata came to Xbox years later down the line on Gamepass.

Its more to do with plenty of games skipping the Xbox due to low sales. Gamepass and MS money brought some of those games that were never available to their audience. Hence the praise for Gamepass.

If those people want to expand their horizons a little more and want to play quality games, they should invest in a Playstation. Those games are almost guaranteed to come to the system day one.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Its probably more to do with games coming to their platform of choice rather than Gamepass.

I mean, Yakuza was exclusively to PS, then ported to PC later. It never was on the Xbox. Neir Automata came to Xbox years later down the line on Gamepass.

Its more to do with plenty of games skipping the Xbox due to low sales. Gamepass and MS money brought some of those games that were never available to their audience. Hence the praise for Gamepass.

If those people want to expand their horizons a little more and want to play quality games, they should invest in a Playstation. Those games are almost guaranteed to come to the system day one.

You think those games skipped xbox in the past because of low sales?

Lol no.

 

[SaucyJack]

Sure Sony will eventually get around to launching a similar service, but no way is it going to be value oriented, that's not Sony. The game lineup may be more enticing to some, but it won't be cheap.

Sony's similar service is 7 years old already.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Xbox make more money from their user base than Sony do from theirs comparatively btw.

This is literally false.

 

[Soosa]

same can be said with Games with Gold - which is the superior service giving you games for ever (bc games) and 2 games in the service as is it is while you pay.

Not sure if your are trolling now.

So no you don't discover shit in PS+ especially compared to Game Pass with over 500 hundred titles between ΧΒΟΧ/PC/MOBILE

It depends of how long you have had PS+.

Someone whom have had it since 2010 will have like +700 ps+ games for psp/vita/ps3/ps4/ps5. (no, the point isnt to invent a time machine to do this, the point is that ps+ adds to hundreds of games too after few years)

So you basically say, that gamepass is waste of money, unless you really want to discover +500 games? I agree.

Average gamer plays only few games / year, so what does gamepass add to them, other than costing more than buying 1-3 games/year?

It is like there would be an offer of "get 500 different phone cases for only 180€ / year!" but 95% of those cases would not fit your phone model. (or your taste in the gamepass)

quality > quantity.

Also most of those +2 year old games are already super cheap anyway, at least on playstation. So you can get like 20 games for 100€ with some patience.


Kind of pointless to argue about gamepass as in "it is the best / it is the worst!" style. Because to some it is the best, and to some it is over priced and completely useless. Anyone whom claims that it is purely one of those, is just plain wrong.

I'm planning to get series x for 400€ (used ones are already dropped to those numbers from time to time), and then few games.

Why would I pay for gold / pass when there is only 1-5 games I want to play, and xbox games get discounted super fast as it is so much less popular than Playstation? For price of gold+gamepass I can probably get 20-30 physical games from sales or used ones. And most likely gamepass wont even have the games I want to get.

 

[N30RYU]

The question shouldn't be if is profitable or not... should be at what time the service will be ended if still isn't profitable or if MS would maintain it forever even if it isn't profitable.

If by 2025 still isn't profitable will MS still keep with that model... by the end of this generation maybe... When if ever.

Don't get me wrong I know gamepass if of great value to gamers. If I ever get a Series X I will get it no doubt

 

[WitchHunter]

That's not net profit, they have to pay third parties to put their games in there, they have to invest in creating games to put there, they have costs with maintaining the infrastructure of the service. They need to get a lot more users than 25M to make profit out of it.

Doesn't matter. Sony exclusives are coming, the GP will be a desert. Everyone will want to play big games and beat the baddest dragons. 23 mill subs will go down to few hundred people monthly and they will offer free blowjobs for ganja.

 

[Ozriel]

That's not net profit, they have to pay third parties to put their games in there, they have to invest in creating games to put there, they have costs with maintaining the infrastructure of the service. They need to get a lot more users than 25M to make profit out of it.

…and they’re going to be at a LOT more users than 25M at the end of the gen.

 

[Riky]

YEA those games which get fps boost/auto HDR and res boost - essentially remastered without having to pay a dime.

I know it hurts having to pay 10$ for it.

It's strange how they keep comparing Gamepass to PS+ when the actual comparison is PS Now. Which has a tiny fraction of the subscribers despite being a lot cheaper and having a bigger userbase.

 

[Ozriel]

Embracer Group just acquired another studio.
For some weird reason, I don’t see the financial experts in this thread doing a revenue analysis and predicting doom and gloom.

 

[StabbyStabStabStabStab]

I've always been wondering about that. This statement in itself doesn't say much. Is gamepass making people spend more money than they normally would, or is it that the hardcore (for lack of a better word) users that were already spending more money are those most likely to also invest on a monthly subscription?

Impossible to measure I'm sure, however its true that its disingenuous to take gamepass sub revenue in isolation. Gamepass will no doubt help shift more Xbox's as well, which again will probably result in increased game sales, so the actual contribution to overall revenue is a little muddy I imaginet (sorry if that's a well worn viewpoint in this thread, I'm just coming in fresh and haven't the time to go through the whole ding-dong).

 

[kingfey]

It depends of how long you have had PS+.

Someone whom have had it since 2010 will have like +700 ps+ games for psp/vita/ps3/ps4/ps5. (no, the point isnt to invent a time machine to do this, the point is that ps+ adds to hundreds of games too after few years)

So you basically say, that gamepass is waste of money, unless you really want to discover +500 games? I agree.

Average gamer plays only few games / year, so what does gamepass add to them, other than costing more than buying 1-3 games/year?

It is like there would be an offer of "get 500 different phone cases for only 180€ / year!" but 95% of those cases would not fit your phone model. (or your taste in the gamepass)

quality > quantity.

Also most of those +2 year old games are already super cheap anyway, at least on playstation. So you can get like 20 games for 100€ with some patience.


Kind of pointless to argue about gamepass as in "it is the best / it is the worst!" style. Because to some it is the best, and to some it is over priced and completely useless. Anyone whom claims that it is purely one of those, is just plain wrong.

I'm planning to get series x for 400€ (used ones are already dropped to those numbers from time to time), and then few games.

Why would I pay for gold / pass when there is only 1-5 games I want to play, and xbox games get discounted super fast as it is so much less popular than Playstation? For price of gold+gamepass I can probably get 20-30 physical games from sales or used ones. And most likely gamepass wont even have the games I want to get.

I have to disagree with you here.
Quality doesnt beat quantity.

Cyberpunk2077, and all those buggy release games defeats your argument.

Playstation games are cheap too after 1-2 year. So your point is moot.

In business, its better to not understimate shit, because you are highly confidient certain product is useless.

Best example is tiktok. Its popular, because general audience use it. That is what gamepass is for. General audience. Its MS is targeting.

Look at xbox pc. It has xcloud, which you can play xbox gamepass games.

Whhere is the limit for gamepass in this case? You dont even need to buy the console. unlike ps5, which you need to buy it, to play those high quality games you are talking about.

There is also the pandemic that is still going around. Having gamepass library games is perfect in this case. 15$ to play those games, is much better value, than buying it individual.

At the end of the day, its the general audience who buy games, not hardcore players. Hardcore players are stingy, and only want certain games. Playstation wont survive with those people.

 

[Hezekiah]

This is literally false.

Yeah I mean I challenged him on that and no response.

Xbox is buried in Personal Computing, and includes PC and Surface business etc, and in any case Microsoft doesn't even declare profit margins for it. Just a weird statement all round.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Yeah I mean I challenged him on that and no response.

Xbox is buried in Personal Computing, and includes PC and Surface business etc, and in any case Microsoft doesn't even declare profit margins for it. Just a weird statement all round.

It's not buried anywhere, we have revenue numbers for Xbox. They're pretty good considering that Xbox sold only half the consoles compared to Playstation. Maybe that's what MrFunSocks meant.

 

[azertydu91]

This is literally false.

yeah that's his thing, though I don't know what he likes more, it's either blatantly lying or being wrong.

 

[Hezekiah]

It's strange how they keep comparing Gamepass to PS+ when the actual comparison is PS Now. Which has a tiny fraction of the subscribers despite being a lot cheaper and having a bigger userbase.

GamePass is better value which is why it has far more subscribers.

On the other hand, PS Now isnt the money sink that GamePass is which is nowhere near profitability - hence the thread.

 

[Hezekiah]

It's not buried anywhere, we have revenue numbers for Xbox. They're pretty good considering that Xbox sold only half the consoles compared to Playstation. Maybe that's what MrFunSocks meant.

That division includes other stuff though so how is that comparison being made?

Also if you're talking about 'making more money' surely you're talking about profit??

Seems like a statement without any evidence to back it up.

 

[Riky]

GamePass is better value which is why it has far more subscribers.

On the other hand, PS Now isnt the money sink that GamePass is which is nowhere near profitability - hence the thread.

Doesn't change the fact that comparing Gamepass to PS+ is pointless.
Also with that tiny subscriber number we have no idea if PS Now is profitable either.

 

[octiny]

Games with Gold? ROTFLMAO.
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Dude I don't care for Game Pass. Get that shit out of here. I explained in detail to you why it doesn't appeal to me. You know there are millions of Xbox AND PC players who don't give a fuck about Game Pass right? Or they would have at least like 40 million subscribers by now. Instead they barely have like 20 million and millions of those are cheap ass $1 and $5 subscribers like you probably are! Lmao

Damn dude, you get triggered easily.

How many bans you going for until it's perma?